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Monday, 17 January 2005

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M. Mbangha Christian, Tennessee, USA

I have this short question to ask my fellow Cameroonians: Should Authorities at whatsoever level decide when justice should or should not take its course? I want you, my brothers and sisters to note that the world is really a village now, and whatever unfortunate and shameful thing is going on out there is either read or heard by almost everybody around the globe. I was reading this article with one of my American classmates, and she is the one who asked me if "higher Authorities decide when justice should take its course in Cameroon" I was really ashamed and embarrast by that question and I told her that we have a very 'powerful' executive type of government that has actually taken the country hostage, and that my beloved country is really blessed with with human and natural resources, but a few glotins have sat on everything, carrying huge elephants on their shoulders and yet, scrambling on the little crickets available for the masses. And were it not for that curse which has befallen my beloved country, I don't think I should have been out here. She asked me if I'll ever go back to that country, and I said the day the tyranny is gone, I'm going back, bag and baggage! and she laughed!!!!!

Rexon

Who is Fon Doh? The closest adjective i can use to describe him and any of those his CPDM cowards is "criminals, Thieves, liars, blood drinkers, etc" What do some people think they are in the eyes of other poor Cameroonians? What do Mr Biya and all the CPDM Cowards think they are doing to Cameroonians? I will never be scared of you. I did not leave Cameroon like many of us in diasparo because we are in anyway scared of your evil approach to your fellow countrymen. Fon Doh should not think that his CPDM government, the tyrants in power would never die and one day if not him, his children will face justice. You are proud to be maltreating Cameroonians but lets wait and see!!!!!!!!!

sango

Mbangha Christian, I see u're not well vested with the constitution of Cameroon. You should explain to your friend that the constitution grants immunity to criminal porsecutions to paliamentarians , something similar to what is granted to the diplomatic corps. I'm not sure how the U.S. tackles this but I know of some first world countries with similar policies. I'm not sure why this immunity was place in the constitution and its a totally different matter. Whether u agree with it or not is a different story. Just thought I should clarify the question your friend asked. If the cameroonian ambassador to the U.S. should kill someone here, he's immuned to prosecution, and untill the cameroonian gov't strips him of his immunity, the U.S. gov't will not be able to do anything about it. This is a similar situation, I can say it is almost anagolous to what is hapening to Fon Doh.

Mbangha M Christian, Tennessee, USA

I want to thank Sango for his correction, cos this makes me know that people are using this forum. But I think that, since in Cameroon and in some other third world countries, people of very doubtful character are put in public offices, it is a very dangerous thing for our country cos, some people, when in those positions take the law into their bloody hands. Immunity is like weapons of mass destruction(WMD), when allowed in the hands of tyrants, can be used against their own citizens. I just hope Fon Doh and the other thieves of the Biya regime would one day face the wrath of the law;
I can't wait to see that day when freedom would come to my people.

Y. Isidore

I agree with Mbangha about the "biyaist" thieves using their immunity for sel gratification. I think it were time for those rouges to know that the will of the people, no matter how long it takes, shall always prevail. The latin saying goes: "Vox populi, vox Dei" (the voice of the people is the voice of God). Rexon i commend your clarification but i guess you know as well as i do that with Cameroon, even those without any parliamentary immunity still commit deadly crimes and go scourge free. What we should hope for now is that the rule of law take its rightful course. Fon Doh should be tried and sentenced because he is a murderer.

Colinza Coolman

My Brothers!
Where are we heading to at this crucial moment when the world has become a global village? My fellow countrymen have become refugees in their own country I must say I'm inconvenient and uncomfortable about the present state of affairs in my mother county. What's really wrong with the big wigs in our society? They have virtually taken control of the country's resources leaving the needy masses in the cold. A large number of the country's population lives below the poverty line. As if this isn't enough, they still go around committing crimes and evading justice.
I’ve heard so much of that unworthy 'son of a bitch' called Fon Doh! What does he think he is? Lifting his immunity from prosecution sounds great. But the big question is; would justice take its course? If justice takes it course, would it at the end of the day seen to have been done? We’re all living witnesses of the general outcry of injustices in Cameroon. Would this Fon Doh’s case be an exception? Take the case of Late Barrister Eseme…justice suffered, its course was constantly being punctured by letters from Yaounde; Their Lordships presiding hands were being tied together preventing them from acting conscionably. The trial suffered uncountable adjournments. It’s awful to hear the executive determines when justice should take it course. I know, this task is placed under the control of the judiciary. Fon Doh or what you call him should be stripped off his parliamentary immunity and should face trial, as any other Cameroonian in his position would have. He thinks he’s above the law and can do what Napoleon left undone. The time has come, all eyes on Cameroon, the Eseme case was an eye-opener. May I say something…why did parliament in the first place grant immunity from prosecution to parliamentarians? Was it an over-sight or done with malicious intents? Or was it politically motivated?
We’d like all the other criminals of the CPDM regime brought to book for the untold hardship they have caused Cameroonians. We’re here coz, of the bad policies they are implementing. While here, the bad regime put in place is still a nightmare to us. We have to pay much money for our stay amounting to US$155 after 3 months while other people from other African countries pay less than US$50. We also face many problems at the immigration coz, of the quality of our passports. It’s of inferior quality compared to Mali’s, Ghana’s Benin’s, Togo’s etc; easy to be forged since the photo is attached not scanned. I was amazed when I looked at a friend’s passport from Mali I was traveling with. The quality of his passport is superior more than ours. The photo scanned and well formed but sad to say our authorities still attach photos with stapler, meanwhile, lots of money is extracted from us for passport. Biya should know that ‘Tough time never last but tough men do…’ There comes a time when he and his clique will face the consequences of their misconduct. I pray and hope for that! Most people think that Africans aren’t free. A friend and colleague over here asked me this question and many other questions but, I lied to her coz, we’re not free at all. Tyranny still reigns in Africa.
This is not all! I have got many things to say but time…
Colinza Coolman, Thailand (Asia)

Mbangha M Christian, TN, USA

Hey Coinza, while acknowlegding the inferior quality of our passports, it is also worth mentioning that the name Cameroon is synonymous to corruption everywhere in the world. Other ills that are to be denounced include the social stratification in the country. It is so aching for any just mind to sit and watch ministers and directors celebrate their billions. When Akame Mfoumou was sacked as the minister of economy and finance, I followed up a news edition on CRTV in which one of the Mendoze-type journalists reported that, " this is a man whose personal wealth is estimated at hundreds of billion". How hard on earth can that cousin of Mr Biya work as a minister to earn that much and how much of that much can he and his family use, when there are children in Cameroon dying cos of the commonest maleria treatment? what happened to him? a few days after that I saw him on the same Mendoze's TV attending a CPDM congress and a few years later, another post of irresponsibity in CAMAIR. what a shame. Come to see how fake contractors take contracts of millions of francs CFA and use less than 10% of the money to build huts in the name of structures. When I'm made a minister, director or member of parliament I either automatically become a contractor or my son or wife. And the circle goes round and round and round. Do we ponder at any moment to ask ourselves; how did America attain the present level of development? We are so greedy, so wicked even to ourselves, cos there are people in that country who have stolen enough that can construct a four lane road linking the political and the economic capitals; that can construct western standard hospitals in each provincial capital, but we prefer to stock the money in foreign banks to be generating huge interests for other people, who would one day turn around and give us as loans. You minister X, director Y and MP Z, ask yourself today; is my conscience alive? doesn't my heart hurt when I cruzz around and see those miserable Cameroonians who are barely clinking on live? what crime did they commit? I'll end here, tears is running down my chicks... Good enough accident and illness does not discriminate the bad roads and empty hospitals are there for us all: your children, parents, other relatives, friends and you too!!!!

Kelvin Kaba Kumbringu

Brothers,
Yes the country is bad, Yes Biya is bad, Yes justice has to take it's course and the list continues ...................... What are your suggestions? The cry about the known is no cry. I need constructive ideas to be forwarded for the improvement of the livelihood in Cameroon, not just sing songs of Biya is bad, Doh must face justice and the likes. I guess, you all are young Cameroonians, what have you to offer? If given the chance will you be able to change Cameroon ? It seems most Cameroonians donot know what they want. I can't imagine someone complaining about passport and the likes whereas there are more serious issues to be faced in Cameroon. Look young men, the problem is a change of mentality, Starting from you and me, Cameroonians. Start from yourself and then move on.
God Bless Cameroon.

Mbangha M chris USA

Hey kelvin, thanks for your criticism, but I want to led you know that there are so many changed mentalities, people of good will and initiative out there, myself included; permit me sound my trumpet! No need emphazing on what I did in Cameroon as a student leader. If you don't know, the only problem in that country is the Biya regime, that sees any laudable initiative as a threat to their position. It has been proven that any gov't that stays in power for too long, ultimately runs out of steam. Replace Biya with the most unpopular person in that country and rest assured, you'll see some positive change. Think of how Biya was loved in his first years in office! If he ruled for just eight years and left, perhaps he shouldn't have been as unpopular as he is now. Change is what most Cameroonians want even if it has to be just for the sake of it. Kelvin, don't you like to change cars, dresses, places and women(he smiles)? why not the leadership in that country? I think those old guys have been around for too long. what about that kelvin...

Kelvin K K

Hello Chris,
The point is, what can you do TO Cameroon, not what you did IN Cameroon.Contribution is different from Participation.
Young man, open your eyes. I am in Cameroon doing so much, but what i am contributing to the nation?
Thanks for coming to reason.
Kelvin.K.K.

mbangha M Chris, USA

Hey guy, appreciating your criticism is just respecting your opinion, not that you are right. Where has your contribution taken you to? May be just around your household. Think about the masses in the villages dying cos of very minor diseases, look at the laxity in the public service, look at how our God given reasources are mismanaged. Cos you don't know me, you cannot know what I've in my own small way done for that country. I cannot count the number of times booed and fought with the men in uniform on the high ways each time I saw them collect their usual 500frs, If each and every Cameroonian was doing that, may be that aspect of corruption should have ended. Was I doing that for Cameroon or for myself?
I'm glad you acknowledged the fact that the country is bad, What I think is best for Cameroon now is regime change! and believe me yours, it gonna come sooner than later.

pw

To infer that a president with dictatorial power is not responsible for the state of a country after 23 consecutive years in power beggars belief. Biya has ALL the power in Cameroon, so he must take ALL the responsiblity for the state of the country. No free lunches, Mr. Kumbringu! If Biya shared power, then the responsibility for the state of the country could be shared, but he doesn't. So, let him carry the can!

The day Biya's critics have power, you can then hold them responsible for the state of the country.

Kelvin Kaba Kumbringu

Hello,
You got to know that, Cameroon existed before Biya and will exist after Biya. True, Biya has been more of a liability than an asset to Cameroon. I encourage positive contributions whether fighting with policemen on the streets or what ever. Mind you, that change starts from the grassroot, so if my little contribution is in my house then it's a positive contribution to a change. Look, in no way i am in favour of Mr. Biya, I have owned a company in Douala for the past 6 years and each year i get inflated taxes well above my profits. I employ 37 Cameroonians, i am not in anyway saying my contribution is the best, nor i am saying i feel comfortable with the situation in Cameroon. I thought as young prosperous Cameroonains you guys can come up with contstructive ideas to improve the wellbeing of each and everyone, yet i get the same old stories Biya has done this or that. I may not know you nor you me, but your positive contributions will save or serve not only me but the other millions who are here languishing under Mr. Biya.
Young men, don't get too emotional about trivial things, get up and think positively. Forget Biya and his gang of thieves they are individuals with different agendas for Cameroon. Think of Cameroon if you are a really patriot.
Hope to welcome you guys back for us to build a better Cameroon.
Good luck in all your endevours abroad.
KKK

Kelvin Kaba Kumbringu

Hello,
You got to know that, Cameroon existed before Biya and will exist after Biya. True, Biya has been more of a liability than an asset to Cameroon. I encourage positive contributions whether fighting with policemen on the streets or what ever. Mind you, that change starts from the grassroot, so if my little contribution is in my house then it's a positive contribution to a change. Look, in no way i am in favour of Mr. Biya, I have owned a company in Douala for the past 6 years and each year i get inflated taxes well above my profits. I employ 37 Cameroonians, i am not in anyway saying my contribution is the best, nor i am saying i feel comfortable with the situation in Cameroon. I thought as young prosperous Cameroonains you guys can come up with contstructive ideas to improve the wellbeing of each and everyone, yet i get the same old stories Biya has done this or that. I may not know you nor you me, but your positive contributions will save or serve not only me but the other millions who are here languishing under Mr. Biya.
Young men, don't get too emotional about trivial things, get up and think positively. Forget Biya and his gang of thieves they are individuals with different agendas for Cameroon. Think of Cameroon if you are a really patriot.
Hope to welcome you guys back for us to build a better Cameroon.
Good luck in all your endevours abroad.
KKK

Nkellefac Ernest

Dear Mr. Kumbringu,
Good and wise words. I particularly am delighted to know how much you seem to have contributed to Cameroon, including running a business at a loss.
I'm also inclined toward believing that everyone who's taking up time to drop a line on this debate should be very willing to contribute in the building of our beloved Cameroon if they were given a good chance. The present contention is how positive propositions made on this debate can be harnessed for the betterment of the situation at home. I would be most obliged if you educate me on how they would.I'll be back.
Cheers!
Ernest,
Korea.

Mbangha chris

Thank you KKK, Thank you Earnest: kkk, That regime of Mr Biya needs no contribution from us the 'commoners' for two reasons:
1) They'll not take it, cos they're not ready to do what is right, all they care about is their never satisfied desire to grab.
2) They already know what is right. Cameroon is blessed when it comes to the area of inteligentias, but they've all been trapped in the doctrine of 'Biyalism'. It is not me or you to tell the gov't that good roads need to be constructed; that the sick need to be treated with some respect and care; that instead of investing in hundred million villars and expensive cars, they should invest in meaningful development.
I'm happy, kkk that you've also been a business operator in that country and seen how uncondussive the business atmosphere is.
Earnest, we'll continue to write and lament, hoping that consiences would be pricked. Cos My Biya and his people all know what is right, but to me the only solution still remains a regime change, cos when institutions are created to regulate some of those very corrupt sectors, and the same all guys are appointed to head them, what do you expect. The police boose would sit in Y'de and say, "I'll not tolerate any acts of corruption", without putting in place the appropriate mechanism to fight it and would expect miracles to happend.
What are the secret investigation services doing? It suffices to send them out there to those offices and when a few tens of examples must have been set, the rest must adjust. But nobody is willing to do anything. OK, if the regime has accepted defeat in the face of all these malpratices, why don't they resign and give the chance to others? Corruption is not an impossibility to extinct, it just needs the good will of those who command power.
Yesterday, I gave a talk on Cameroon and was surprised by how many people out here know of Cameroon. One lady said "I know they have a good soccer team, but I hear the gov't there is bad". How do I defend my pride in such an instance? see you shortly.

pw

For anybody who is ever puzzled how one man and his cabal of henchmen can hold a country of millions of people to ransom for nearly a quarter of a century and not only survive, but thrive, the answer is all there in Mr. Kumbringu's contributions. Thank you, sir, for confirming that Cameroon is not going to get rid of Biya anytime soon, if ever. In terms of Biya and Cameroon, from Mr. Kumbringu's perspective, it certainly seems to be a case of till death do us part.

Kelvin Kaba Kumbringu

Hello Ernest,
I thought you knew pretty well that the internet is an educative forum, except you use it otherwise. I need not tell you how the internet can bring meaningful change to a cause. I bet you the post is not read only by you guys in the diaspora, government officials equally get a glance at it. Contributing on this forum or different fora can be educative to the blocked headed administrators and government officials of the country. (Shocked you have to be informed about that).
I run a business, yeah, and you may wonder how i cope with such analysis of running a business at a loss. Young man, I run to the taxation department each time i get those faulty taxes, and you know what i hear, 'oh it's a mistake we are mixing up your business with another one' is that right for a system which is effective? Look, if i were paying all the taxes being tabled infront of me i could have packed bags home. I have a very strong accounting background which makes such, can't go un-noticed. Those who haven't being checking are already home. The country steals from its citizens. Besides i can't remember the last time a tax official walked into my office to take stock. Where they get their accessment of my business, God alone knows.
Ernest, you sound desperate, don't give up your contributions can be heard. If not, keep on, you never know when victory is at your door step.
Pw, the hand writing is on the wall only the blind won't see it.
Hope it crowns this debate.
Thanks and Success in Korea.
KKK

Nkellefac Ernest

Dear KKK,
Ofcourse the internet is very educative, but I doubt how much the people who matter in Cameroon are educated by it, or would want to make use of the education they get from it. Many fora exist, and issues about Cameroon are discussed in most, but nothing happens. The status quo remains! Two friends and I presented a document to our government, proposing how corruption could be addressed. That was far back in 1999. I personally travelled all the way to Yaounde, dropped a copy of the document at the PM's office, and forwarded another to the Presidency. WE got a reply from the PM's more than two months later, wherein gratitude were expressed for our contribution. I can't say ours was the best the government could do to curb corruption, but it remains that government hasn't done better. The PM's office informed us they would try to have a closer look at what we proposed and give it a though. I hope someone in the PM's office reading this could try and trace the document. You see, I dont know which could be better; Sending a proposal to the PM or posting it on this forum. You tell me!
That said, Mr. KKK I maintain that we always shall be grateful to contribute through propositions, but we should be sure there's a will on the part of implementers. I hope you could decipher the rest! We all are disheartened by the image our country has out there, as well as with the sufferings of our people, and would do anything possible to salvage the situation.
One last thing Mr KKK, I'm not as desperate as you may think. I can make a good living away from home. I have all what it may take, but Cameroon remains my home, and I'd like to return sooner than later! I was home after my studies in 99, got many lucrative opportunities to make it out, but decided to stay back and see what I could contribute. I failed! You can guess why!Hope to see you pretty soon!
Goodluck in your business.
Ernest.

Bryce

Hi Chris,
Whenever I go through your views in this forum,I feel so impressed,I feel so overwhelmed.I'm always touched.
May be this is either because I am directly affected by this unmoderated greed or because we seem to percieve our country's problems through the same prism.Whatever be the case,I strongly support your idea of a 'regime change in Cameroon'.That is the root cause of our problems.And because I see it to be the crux of our troubles,I think we have to begin from there.Our preoccupation should be to put an end to the present gerontocracy.It is only when this class of persons has given way,that we can think of any meaningful progress.They have barred the way to all initiatives. No doubt,they have done a lot.But it is also important to know that the present regime is one characterised by a chronic lack of vision,and that is why any right thinking Cameroonian,any cameroonian who hasn't sold his conscience should think of a change.
We have over heard particular names.Since I was born,the names I used to hear while in Primary and secondary schools,are almost the same names I've got to be hearing even after haven completed my university education. This may sound incredible,but this is the gospel truth,and it is true for all those born in the late 70s and 80s.Let's have a change,even for the sake of it,and believe me,things will cease to be the same.I have never been to the West,but I have had the opportunity to read about western systems.I've learnt that change is necessary and that is why regimes should come and go.Why should it be different in Cameroon? Gone are the days that people used to believe in the Divine rule of Kings.That is to say,if Mr.Biya et al can rule,then others too can,and even better.Why should Cameroonians think that God placed their destiny in the hands of Biya and his accomplices?
I am happy that my brother KKK,despite his position in this debate, brings out a major weakness of the present regime. I believe, just like me,KKK lives in Cameroon,therefore he is aware of our undeserved misery.But unlike me,he probably won't want to let the world know about it.
Like Chris,the present regime is running out of steam.As such there is the need to completely overhaul the system.
My brothers,if I have to say all that I have in me,I may end up doing nothing else.Let me go do what we are obliged to,so that the 'Creams'can continue to eat and grow fat.

Kelvin Kaba Kumbringu

Youngman Bryce,
I shouldn't inform you that we are in the super highway of information tech. and can get information from any where into our bed rooms, except you live in a different era. Participating in this forum already exposes my views about Cameroon. What is there to hide in Cameroon? Who doesn't know we are the most corrupt nation? Who doesn't know there is a "fragile peace" existing in Cameroon, and who doesn't know Biya has been president for the past two decades or more. Tell me, young man. Use your head before making comments about individuals, besides i didn't discuss people, i discussed issues. Stop being a simple minded person. My address to individuals was to bring them to my reason about the issues in Cameroon. Youngman, read my postings well and educate yourself on paricipating in fora of this nature.
Thanks for coming to reason.

zao claude

On the evening of 4 november 1984 the fomer presidnt of cameroon through the national radio station anounced his resignations.this later brouht Mr Biya to powers.the reason being,the former trusted him cus he has worked with him and again cus of his educational backgrounds.Many cameroonians thought there was going to be some change as compare to Amadou adhijou regims but things has turnout to be the worst.
Camroon is blessed with resouces but cus of mismanagement and embezelement of publics fund,many cameroonians are surfering,for example most rurals areas in cameroon lack farms to markets roads and of which the government has used some of the money for this purpose in buying Prados for top government officials.Why can't they ride in pegeot405 as it is in nigeria.This extravagant expenditure of publics funds has drained the national treasury and the post office. Why is cameroon fighting to atend the completion point of heavily indepted country while we have all the resouces to finance our projects?.How long will cameroon keep on begging from european countries and the USA?Its high time the govenment use its resources well else,i am seing the future of young cameroonians as being very blured.
thanks

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