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sino william

If all Cameroonian graduates can learn to do like Nji in a country with little or no jobs, then they will not feel frustrated after graduating and having nothing to do with thier acquired education.

Same as Nji, I graduated from the University of Buea in 1999 with a B.Sc in Geology. Having no white color job I decided to be selling locally manufactured brake pads(commonly called brake lining). My store was just opposite the university entrance and I was always in the garage with mechanics. Some UB students found it funny for a university graduate to be doing such a ‘dirty job ‘.Thank God that with money from such a’ dirty job’ I was able to take care of myself and others, and today I am now in Sweden studying.
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Nji my only prayer is that let other graduates see into it that they do not rely solely on their acquired education to survive in a country like Cameroon.

SINO WILLIAM.
STOCKHOLM UNIVERSITY,
SWEDEN.

B Chris

Nji,
More grease. Many of us did what you are presently doing. After a degree in Chemistry from the same university i studied computer. I worked for some years just for a stipend and gaind some experience and am now a Masters degree.
B. Chris
Gent University
Belgium

JB Samba

Nji,
I wish you more elbow grease. Nji's is an idea worth emmulating by the many graduates we have on the streets.
After graduating from UB with an M.Sc. in Biochemistry, I started in a documentation in Molyko (serving UB students) and today and studying for a higher degree in the United States.

Pascal

All UB students must have done so I presum, but how many are still at home like Nji?Do you mean he should also 'fall bush" as you guys did after he must have had a good bundle of money? May be that's what all kids from the Njuma High school come out and plan to do.Most of you have found it all along easy studying in English and making noise when your brothers and sisters had to go through other universities in Cameroon reading from French to write in English and at times speaking in French for tutorials.How can you stand them to have a job in Cameroon when you are trained only for the Anglophone job market which is almost full? Can't you all see that even concours into ENAM,ENS, and others are mostly full with Anglophones from say Dschang,Douala,Soa,Y'de1 and at time N'dere.Buea is last because it is Anglophone and programme never made for the concours type.The Plan style of answering easy questions taught in other Universities differs from Buea and makes them good for the purpose and that is what counts,it is not whether it is of oxford type or not.We want Cameroon standards which Buea can not claim to be top even in English courses.Think well before you make public claims to issues. Pascal Ewane.

Felexce

Greetings,
I beg to differ with Mr. Ewane on some key issues raised in his argument.
Those gentlemen he termed “bushfallers” to the best of my knowledge cannot be classified as such because they are out there in Europe and the Americas in pursuit of academic advancement as opposed to those who just go out there to seek asylum and do menial jobs. Calling these breed of intellectuals “bushfallers” is thus, a misnomer.
Secondly, I don’t know on what bases he makes the assertion “that UB graduates are not fit for the Cameroonian job market”. Is it simply because they graduated from Buea, where English is the language of instruction? Does this therefore mean English- speaking Cameroonians play second fiddle in the Cameroonian context? This, I doubt because there is a cream of UB graduates who’re more versed in the french language than some of those who attended Dschang, Douala, Y’de or N’gdere.
I personally don’t think studying in any institution makes one more fit than the other. I rather believe it is the impact the institution makes on an individual which matters. Passing through say, Oxford or Cambridge without these institutions passing through you makes you nobody.
So, please, let’s focus on the output of individuals rather than on institutions. I know it’s difficult for most of us to agree because, as Cameroonians, we all believe in Big names and tittles.
Mr. Nji and the others are what they are today because of the impacts UB made on them.
Kudos to Mr. Nji and all the enterprising young graduates. Cameroon of today needs your breed.
My humble suggestions.
Felexce

Frank

This is a good story and an excellent example. I noticed that some referred derisively to their peers living abroad as "bush fallers". One of the things that people who come to the United States learn very quickly is about the dignity of labour and to learn to do what it takes to honestly earn money to put food on the table and possibly to generate wealth.

People who have degrees here do not look down their noses at certain jobs and entrepreneurial opportunities. The easiest thing to do is to provide an obvious service to society. As a university graduate with better developed critical thinking skills and ability to do research, one could be a superior barber, taxi driver, photographer, carpenter, joiner, builder etcetera, and to do what it takes to expand that simple one man operation into a million dollar business.

Frank

Pascal

For those who don't know let me remind you, most young Cameroonians who go out today saying they are studying did not actually start the idea of studies mostly for those who study in free education countries in Europe,studies came up as a means to "fall bush" then while there they saw that things were not as hard as back home and that they could make it there and even better.Who says NO?
Point two,whether you are studying or an asylum seeker,there is no difference,you are both out of the country and most of those who claim to be studying never think of coming back home simply because they ask themselves the questions:Who is going to employ me when I get back home?How much am I going to be paid?Conclusion they don't come back with the knowledge gotten from those 'good schools'. I will like those who are in Europe not to compare themselves with those in America who have to pay heavily for their studies by working day and night doing anything odd as a job while those in Europe spend their time in parties and night clubs.
I will like to advice most of you out there claiming to be studying whether you had a right degree from any Cameroonian University before leaving or not, make sure that you are in a trade that has a chance in your country if at all you have the development of your country at heart,don't study things that are a dream to your country and come back as failures to the younger ones back at home because you will not have any job and thus go back to square one. While you are over there think of building your own houses back home with the little money you make out there and not just plan to come home for holidays and sleep in hotels with small girls spending all the money and going back without anything good left back home to remember except AIDS that you must have taken back with you.
It shocked me when an Anglophone ask me this question"Does this therefore mean English- speaking Cameroonians play second fiddle in the Cameroonian context?",Where did Felix live all his life to ask this type of question?When you are writing don't just do so because you feel as to do so, think very well because this a forum for those who think well and not just because you have access to the internet.
I will be back with more.Pascal Ewane.

JB Samba

Mr. Pascal,
You re3ally amaze me when you say people should think before the post on thisforum when YOU don't think before you post (or am I mistaken). Do you think if everybody studying in the diaspora were to go into trades for which there is employment availability in Cameroon, will it be good for the future Cameroon? I all in the diaspora were to go by your prescription and all happen to return home, will you provider thejobs to cater for all these intellectuals?

The future Kamerun (southern Cameroons) needs intellectuals of all works of life to steer it forward with the challenges of our times. So, my advice is for guys to pursue what ever they are able to - all the talents are and will be needed for the future.

Mr. Pascal, you areadvocating for a phenomenon that doesn't give room for growth and advancement.

Pascal

Mr.Samba I am happy you have just fallen in the trap,go back and read what you wrote,you will notice for your self that at one point there's no sense in it.Try to read over your work before you post.
It should not only be a trade for which there's employment in Cameroon,it could also be one in which they could as well creat employment while back home.When you talk of the future,which are you talking about,is it the near future of say 20 years or the about say 50 years.In any case the living standards in Cameroon has shown that a man can live up to the age of 45 while a woman up to 47,lets consider that these "bush fallers" come back say in the next 5 years at the age of say 35-40 years( which I am not even sure they will like to come at that age),they will have just a few years to go and say they stay up to the age of say 60.Consider some one who studied say some thing like Space navigation and some of those meaningless fields to Cameroon,do you think that very Southern Cameroon you talk of will exist by then or if still under la Republique,do you think that country would have had the finance to develop nuclear and space programmes?I am not against development but I am realistic.I know Cameroon and from the past one can predict the rate of progress that country will attain in the next 50 years.
I will be back with more.Pascal Ewane

Randy (Tokyo-Japan)

He told us to take up arms for a revolutionary change in Cameroon. Now he is boastfully convincing us of his prowess in the art of fortune telling, being able to predict what that beautiful triangle will look like come 50 yrs. Now, do not get me wrong, I really love debates and I have learnt to respect others' opinions. But the next time I see Mr Pascal Ewane writing in this forum, I'll just throw up!

Neba Funiba

Please, be careful when you make bold statements with descriptive statistical data if you did not personally collect the data. Is there any published or official data called living standards in Cameroon? Life Expectancy Data for each country are collected and published by the United Nations Development Program (www.undp.org). Such data "may" (I stress may) be grossly extrapolated because of the difficulties encountered in collecting information from rural areas that are completely inaccessible, and the lack of genuine data collected by governments of less developed countries (LDCs). This is very true of Cameroon where official data are often manipulated to please foreign donors (e.g., zero mort, free and fair elections, etc.)


Back to Nji: Good for him but my fingers remain crossed. I will see how long it will take before he is taxed out of business--I hope not. Personal initiatives and undertakings in Cameroon will always remain on shaky grounds as long as the fundamental cause of the economic and political malaise in the country persists. People such as Nji--a microentrepreneur--should be getting some of the HIPC money so as to expand his business and be able to employ one or two people but that can never be the case in Cameroon which has already been cited by the IMF/World Bank for failure to satisfy the requirements of the HIPC Initiative.


Ani .M

infact your contributions have been so wonderfull.I will like to caution that when writing to such a forum that is online and can be read by anyone anywhere on this globe plsease let us check our spellings and puntuate all our sentences.let us not talk about universities and yet what we read make people think we have never passed through a secondary school.I am of the opinion that Cam post looks for a way of editing what contributors send in at least correct the english. when some of us write like this what then do we expect of francophones.always write sense and contribute construtively not just for the sake to show that you are in europe or America after all no one is better off whether in US or europe situations are even worst off for some who are there.
I like my country and supports Mr.Ewane´s points.
thanks to all

Hycient

Pascal, Shutup!!!!! you give no points. What's your problem with 'Bush fallers' has anyone taken your girlfriend? If so sorry.
Hy
Papau New Guinea

Martin Douala

Pascal Ewane is a realist. The Anglophone Cameroonian from Buea is at a severe disadvantage and plays 2nd fiddle in Cameroun's political economy. The policies of Paul Paul Biya destroyed bilingualism - a concept he never ascribed to in the first instance.

The status quo infringes the fundamental sovereign rights of Anglophones in Cameroun. This is not the desired outcome when the Union of Equals was conceived between Foncha and Ahidjo for the newly independent La Republique du Cameroun and British Southern Cameroons to co-form a Bilingual Cameroon Federation in the sixties.

Paul Biya while as Premier under Ahidjo initially wanted the abolition of English and as President covertly pursued a policy of "Frenchification" under the ideology of "National Integration". They started by destroying Anglophone owned-companies, renaming our commercial capital Victoria to erase the historic Anglo-Saxon connection, playing foul with the educational and judiciary systems and posting larger numbers of francophone-speaking administrators to English-speaking regions and overseas embassies. The All-Anglophone-Conference I, hosted at Mount Mary Buea blasted a warning shot that brought internal frenchification to a stand-still and irreversibly projected Anglophone Nationalism into orbit. There is no turning back and no more deals with La Republique.

The overseas component of frenchification remains well intact. It is easier for a build a tarred road from Buea to Mamfe than for Paul Biya to appoint an Anglophone Ambassador to the Cameroun Embassy in London or Washington DC.

Francophone Cameroun seceded from the Union on February 4, 1984, lest we forget, when their leader Paul Biya passed the law to revert to the name of the territory that gained independence from France in 1960. That was unilateral secession by La Republique du Cameroun (LRC) and the law reduced Southern Cameroons, for all intents and purposes, to an annexed colony of LRC.

Anglophones owe it to their fore fathers and children to force La LRC to execute the divorce to completion by withdrawing her troops from the territory of British Southern Cameroons.

This is the mechanism to accord full rights to the sons and daughters of Southern Cameroons graduating from the Uinversity of Buea. We believe in the strength of our cause and the evidence in hand is overwhelming. Experts in the west who have examined our case do not understand why a war of liberation has not yet broken out.

Our strength lies in our motto - the force of argument and fundamental attachments to civil liberty, rule of law and democracy. These are earned virtues which the Southern Cameroonian had adopted from Britain and had reduced them to practice in Buea long before many African countries, including LRC gained independence.

Long live Southern Cameroons

Martin Douala
On Vacation in Tiko

Pascal

In any debate, you are either for or against.Thanks to those who see Cameroon as I do,I call that as being realistic.As for those who do not see with me please reject what I say but don't insult and that will make you more reasonable.
Whether you accept it or not all those who are out of the country today left for their betterment out side be it in Africa,Asia,Europe,America etc,thus I call all of these people "bush fallers" reason being that when they come back home, they are not differentiated as to who went for studies or asylum or any other reason.
As for Hycient who asked if any one had taken my girl friend,I will like to tell her that I am above that stage of life now and any girl running after someone with that appellation is for a short time and will end up crying.It is better to stand by your home base boy who is constand with you at home with hope of making life together rather going for a few days pleasure and ending up lossing your life by being infected in one way or the other.May be you like that life style,that's for you.
Have you ever had a situation where a girl is being met by the family of a "bush faller" for marriage now adays? believe me it is usually a very sad issue full of mistrust and disappointment by those girls who actually know how hard it is to make it out there and joy and hopes for those girls who had never been told the true life "bush fallers" have.Some are made to understand that they will have everything as easy as they would never believe, some are even told how you just get any car along the street and get into it and start driving and where you park some one else continues,but is that true? NO.Lets try to make things look real to our brothers and sisters back home and not treat them the way some of you were treated when you got out of the country.I know it is hard.
For Randy,whether you accept it or not Cameroon will be the same in the next seven years and only a revolution be it peaceful or armed will change that country.Be ready to throw up its time.
Mr.Neba I stand by my statistics,the website you gave me may be you did not make use of it yourself because it has instead confirmed what I said,may be you read it too to better understand how these statistics are gotten.I will be back.Pascal Ewane.

JB Samba

Mr. pascal, I will repeat, take a closer look at what you have to say before posting.

According to your living standards (which I suppose you meant Life Expectancy) statistics, it will be strange to meet somebody in Cameroon today who is above 50 years old. IS THIS TRUE? Of course, that's not the case.

Who ever told you that anybody who leaves Cameroon for some other country doesn't do so for the better?

If given the opportunity, will you not leave as well?

It may be crystal clear that under the Biya regime Cameroon will not witness any change OR will witness further decline in the next seven years, does it mean that Cameroon hasn't got a future?

Be contented with what you have and where you are and leave those in the diaspora alone.


Pascal

Mr.JB Samba,the issue here is not being in the 'diaspora' as you say,it is a matter of having a better life than the country you leave which is your motherland.May be you go to the www.undp.org to educate yourself on the Life Expectancy issue in Cameroon,this does not mean that you will not see people above 50 years and more.I am happy that you have started being realistic in some points.You may not know how I live and where but let me tell you that there are some young people in the 'diaspora'who if not of shame would have come back because of the hard time they are going through over there as well as there are some at home who live far better than those in the 'diaspora'.It all depends on how hard they work and for whar goals.Some of your so called 'diaspora'guys have failed even more than while home and don't know how to go back home in their shameful failure situation.May be you are just in one country,let me tell you that I have been to Europe,America and China to see some make it while others can't.What I petty is the investment made for them to go to the 'disapora' and end up failing.It is not everyone that can make it there just like back home.bush no fit na all man I beg Samba thinkam well,no be matter for pamaress.Na matter for fittness.
I will be back,Pascal Ewane

Neba Funiba

JB Samba, thank you for your comment on Pascal Ewane's interpretation of Life Expectancy Data. He still doesn't understand what it means when one says data may be grossly extrapolated. For one thing, Ewane did not cite the source of his data until I referred him to www.undp.org. Let it be known that because of accessibility and communication problems, most of the time, data about Cameroon are collected from Yaounde and Douala by international organizations and generalizations made to the rest of the country. I refer you to UN Studies of poverty that lump Sub-Saharan countries together--most of their surveys in Cameroon are conducted in Douala and Yaounde. Also, with regards to leaving the country, be informed that there are several academic disciplines that require scholars to leave their countries to other countries to study cultures or conduct research. Miriam Goreen, an anthropologist at the University of Wisconsin, Madison, spent 15 years in Kumbo (BUI, NWP), studying the Banso Culture. Margaret Mead, a prominent sociologist spent years in Papua, New Guinea, studying family life. WEB DuBois, the first Black American to have a PH.D. from Harvard University, went to Germany in the late 1800s to attend classes taught by one of the founding fathers of modern sociology. I am pretty sure that there are several academic disciplines (e.g., civil aviation) that are not offered in Cameroon as such one will need to leave Cameroon so as to study in those disciplines. OR what is wrong in going abroad to wash dishes in a restaurant and sending money back home (to help the family) instead of staying in Cameroon and roaming the streets?. I am very sure that when Cameroon shall be free from french neocolonialism (hopefully soon) many Cameroonians abroad shall come back to contribute in nation-building.

JB Samba

Well Said, Neba Tuniba

Pascal

Mr.Neba I am glad to know that you read much about big names.What do all these names go,I think it is to gain something which they wouldn't gone out of their home land they would have got,thus implying that the went for the betterment of the lives through the Knowledge acquired.

I am glad you mentioned the idea of sending money home to families and other issues which I said, thanks for that,its just what I want people to think of.
Who do you think will free Southern Cameroon and mostly soon as you think when you don't believe in arms being involve in the struggle? Pascal.

felexce

Statistics can be very misleading if extrapolations are made from inaccurately sampled data. From simple statistical knowledge, what kind of sound statistical inference do you expect to get if when asked to sample a population in order to obtain the prevalence of say, HIV-AIDS in a community you decide to take you sample from prostitudes? Ofcourse, very biased inferences. Just like Mr. Funiba asserts, statistics on Cameroon are usually based on inaccurately sampled populations and are bound to be faulty. Mr. Ewane being the great thinker he purports to be should've known this before parroting on this life expectancy stuff in Cameroon. That aside, i think his postings online leave much to be desired on his mastery of facts. What does it cost to pursue say a masters in Britain(minimum 8000pounds/annum, tuiton only), the Netherlands(10,000euros/annum, tuition only). Are these countries in America? NO. Can this be termed free education. I DOUBT.Unless Mr. Ewane should be a very rich guy. I think we should write facts and objectively too. What if some studied where education is free? I don't consider that an issue. Finally, if he didn't get me right, my question was;should English-speaking Cameroonians continue to play second fiddle? NO. Unfortunately,that is just what he advocates when he claims those who studied in Yaounde, Dschang... are better prepared for "concours". Which if rightly intepreted means we should abandon our Anglosaxon culture and be "frenchified" like some of them. I say no. If he doesn't know, may i inform him that a majority of those who're in ENAM, ENS... are not there because they're the best brains or were better prepared. Rather they're where they are because they know the fraudulent system so well and played the games required. Unfortunately those are not our games.

JB Samba

Thank you Mr Felexce.
If I were Mr. Ewane, I will back off because "When you find too many fingers pointing at you, it means there is something wrong or right about you". But in the case of Ewane, there is something WRONG with him - He claims to have lived in Europe, America, China and Cameroon but doesn't at all get a glimse of what is going on in these places. That's why his postings online leave much to be desired on his mastery of facts.

Emmanuel Wembenyui, The University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia.

I heavily congratulate Mr Nji for his splendid effort. It is however with regrets that Mr Pascal Ewane's ideas are very indicative of the fact he is completely out of touch with field realities. Every Cameroonian both within and out of Cameroon knows fully well that UB graduates excellently excel in any field that they get involved with. In the case of Cameroon, they are well represented in ENAM, EMIA, the Police Academy, ENS, P & T School, etc. Out of Cameroon, they equally do well in their studies, so i can hardly understand what Mr. Ewane is after. I wondering if he means that all graduates have to remain at home and repair fridges like Mr Nji. If this is is his opinion, then he is advised to lay it to rest because there are countless occupations in the world and everyone chooses to be where he/she has competence.

Emmanuel Wembenyui, The University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia.

I heavily congratulate Mr Nji for his splendid effort. It is however with regrets that Mr Pascal Ewane's ideas are very indicative of the fact he is completely out of touch with field realities. Every Cameroonian both within and out of Cameroon knows fully well that UB graduates excellently excel in any field that they get involved with. In the case of Cameroon, they are well represented in ENAM, EMIA, the Police Academy, ENS, P & T School, etc. Out of Cameroon, they equally do well in their studies, so i can hardly understand what Mr. Ewane is after. I wondering if he means that all graduates have to remain at home and repair fridges like Mr Nji. If this is is his opinion, then he is advised to lay it to rest because there are countless occupations in the world and everyone chooses to be where he/she has competence.

Emmanuel Wembenyui, The University of Queensland, Brisbane, Australia.

I heavily congratulate Mr Nji for his splendid effort. It is however with regrets that Mr Pascal Ewane's ideas are very indicative of the fact he is completely out of touch with field realities. Every Cameroonian both within and out of Cameroon knows fully well that UB graduates excellently excel in any field that they get involved with. In the case of Cameroon, they are well represented in ENAM, EMIA, the Police Academy, ENS, P & T School, etc. Out of Cameroon, they equally do well in their studies, so i can hardly understand what Mr. Ewane is after. I wondering if he means that all graduates have to remain at home and repair fridges like Mr Nji. If this is is his opinion, then he is advised to lay it to rest because there are countless occupations in the world and everyone chooses to be where he/she has competence.

Roland N. M.

Mr Ewane Pascal, you claim to be a realist but i find it hard to pick out anything realitic in your arguments. You are not only incapable of making a proper distinction between living standard and live expectancy, your arguments and conclusions drawn from the figures you post are perfect examples of what should not be done in any statistical analysis. Despite the efforts of Mr. Samba and Neba to re-direct and place you on track, you continue to be stubbornly obstinate to learning. My dear freind avoid further mediocrity by sparing us the embarrassment of having to read through your clumpsy arguments. You might have travelled round the world but it is with a lot of hesitation that i am making the following claim."you failed to learn during your journey". For all cameroonians, be you home base or abroad, it is not easy and you will have to fight hard to make it.

nguti charles

This is crazy because everybody on this forum is writing out of phase, Let look into what Mr. NJI has done to his community and try to encourage others. What does someone taking a girl friend has to do with having a workshop. Cameroonian, lets stand up and see the world by ourselves not the Napoleon History books. Life is hard, some of us had to move somewhere to make a better future for ourselves, family and community. Lets us, the “bush faller” think about ways of improving our community back home. Support school programs, sorry I may have hurt some feeling , I’m just a socialist not a politician.
Charles Nguti (Maryland USA)

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