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Monday, 05 December 2005

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Riccardo

Letter to Mr Nfor Ngala NFor,

Dear Sir,
I am an humble Cameroonian who is very interested in what goes on in my Country.
I am very sorry that you have to suffer several detentions and tortures as you describe it in your interview.
As a Progressive Cameroonian, I strongly believe that people should not have to suffer for their political views in any Country of the world. But as you know, inciting to violence and division can be a threat to any Democratic government on this planet.
I trongly believe in Democracy and I do know that in Africa we still have a long way to go to fully embrace the democratic values.
Sir, may I ask you few question pertaining to your activism to divide Cameroon into 2 Kingdoms?
1) What makes you believe that joining the democratic process in Cameroon will not help your cause?
2) Do you have any statistic data that mandates your organization to speak on behalf of English speaking Cameroonians? As I know most Cameroonians are bilingual today.
3) Could you please define the tribes and villages that will be part of your Kingdom if you were to divide Cameroon?
4) Are you going to do ethnic cleansing to determine who will be a citizen of your Country? e.g Part of my family lives in Kumba and Douala. Some of us were born in Kumba and some in Douala. Are we going to be deported from your Kingdom?
5) What kind of investment have you or your organization done in Cameroon to help the people you said you want to govern today?
6) How would explain things to those who are your target of being your Servants that you will do better than the present government?
7) What are you doing today to improve the lives of the people living in the area you claim makes your Kingdom? Not politics but concrete ideas that will lift the poor villagers from poverty.
8) Don't you think that your ideas are driven by selfish interest of people who just want to rule or be Kings and Queens, Ministers or another Head of State of a Banana Republic in Africa?
9) What do you say to a North Westerner Cameroonian who will challenge you to be a Leader of your imaginary State?
10) What do you say to people who say we Africans never learn from history?
"United people do a lot more than Divided..."
Sir, I do not intend to challenge your Majesty but I just want to have these questions answered as a concerned citizen of my Country.
I hope you will not feel offended but you will understand that in Democracy a Government or Representatives are elected by the people and they serve the people as well as they are held accountable of any actions or decisions they take.
May God Bless you!
Respectfully,

Riccardo.


njong

RICCARDO,
looking from yoyr article and at the questions, it shows that you are actually one of those KUMBA, CPDM fanatics, who are playing the politics of the Palace. You are like those who have decided to support the idiotic, despotic regime of Biya for selfish interests.

Now you are afraid that Southern Cameroon would hold you resposible for supporting an animal like BIYA because you are "blind". The northwesterners has done nothing wrong to the south westerners. Don,t bring in this politics here.

We have learnt a lesson about the divide and rule policy of the whiteman. If u have not learnt that, it is your business.

Why don,t u ask MUKETE what he has done for the people of your Kumba considering the fact that he, MUKETE claims to have strong contacts with the Presidency and with Biya?

U should not ask silly questions. People like you would be brought to justice for collaborating with invaders against your own people.

njong

RICCARDO,
looking from yoyr article and at the questions, it shows that you are actually one of those KUMBA, CPDM fanatics, who are playing the politics of the Palace. You are like those who have decided to support the idiotic, despotic regime of Biya for selfish interests.

Now you are afraid that Southern Cameroon would hold you resposible for supporting an animal like BIYA because you are "blind". The northwesterners has done nothing wrong to the south westerners. Don,t bring in this politics here.

We have learnt a lesson about the divide and rule policy of the whiteman. If u have not learnt that, it is your business.

Why don,t u ask MUKETE what he has done for the people of your Kumba considering the fact that he, MUKETE claims to have strong contacts with the Presidency and with Biya?

U should not ask silly questions. People like you would be brought to justice for collaborating with invaders against your own people.

kabuin

Richardo,
you must leave this forum. You are really a virus to this forum, you ask questions and even when they give you the answers you never understand any. You surely have no level of education, coz educated people don't repeat answered questions.
You are really a heady he-goat.

Ambazonian

My Dear Compatriot Njong,

Please don't waste your time and energy responding to people of the likes of Riccardo. All his questions are very childish and you can see from his questions the level of his analytical capabilities.

Our country Ambazonia shall be reborn and no traitor can stop that from happening. We are not a primitive people, when our flag shall be hosted, anybody who is not of Ambazonian origin but was born in Ambazonia will be given a residence permit ( without any cost). So my dear friend Ricardo, you nor your family living in Kumba won't be chased out if you have the right documents to live in Ambazonia. If you can live in American with the right documents why do you think you won't live in Ambazonia if you have your correct documents.


Long Live Ambazonia
God Bless Ambazonia.

Okoronkwo

Hi Riccardo

I'm not a camerounian;
I find your points of view to Mr Nfor have no base.
Asking for independance does not means that the people in either Kingdoms should only be english speaking or french speaking. Its just a matter of understanding where you come from and standing up for yours rights.

You could take for example Canada which looks more or less like Cameroon with french and english speaking provinces. The french speacking province has its own Governors and they decide for their people.

If you take for example an African polygamous family with two or more women, unity most first start in each small family before it grows up in a big compound.

I beleive a federal state would be better for Cameroon.

Henriette

Kabuin,

I believe that Riccardo is a very smart person. He asked pertinent questions.


Henriette

Willie

The road map to victory has been carved. There’s no retreat. Ricardo and al are still one of those buffoons who keep on ridiculing themselves with his dim questions. This is a forum for intellectual ideas aimed at thrashing out serious issues at stake and not gobbledygook.

Lienghotue Gideon

If that young man read the history of cameroon, he won't ask such questions.What has the union given the southern cameroon?If the laws that brought about the so called union were respected, we should have not been going down this road to day.The previous writter is not current with the political crisis in cameroon to day.When you talked of the democratic process going on in cameroon I doubt if you can defind democracy, I doubt if you have ever casted a vote in cameroon.If Biya love cameroon he should have done something in 23 years as head of state to resolve some of the problems instead he has created confusion among cameroonian.Any average cameroonian know so well that the country need total change.We should think before writing..Godbless the southern cameroon

Henriette

Willie,

Are you trying to subtly tell us that you are an intellectual? we have no doubt you are one, good for you. We knew it already ;-)

You can continue to play MyBananaRepublic, create ghost governments, flag, choose a fancy name, play IhateDoualaCameroonians_because theyspeak-french,
continue playing I-hate_Bamileke_camers_caus'_they_speak_french,
continue calling Haoussa_cameroonian invaders, because they speak french, it stops there.

Because my country will never be divided.

Long Live Cameroon

Cameroun Oyeeeee!

SJ

The detractors of the natural, human, moral, and legal right of the people of the former United Nations Trust Territory of the Southern Cameroons to their natural right as an independent people do us a favor when they expose their ignorance for the world to see. They make the case of the people of the Southern Cameroons even clearer at times, than some Southern Cameroonians do. This is a good thing and we thank them.

When a people who can not distinguish human values from tribal affinities debate against the independence of the Southern Cameroons, it is a good thing for the argument of Southern Cameroons.

When a people who can not differentiate citizenship from tribal affinities debate against the freedom of the Southern Cameroons, it is a good thing for the argument of Southern Cameroons.

In the French-owned colonial state of La Republique du Cameroun, an ethno-fascist junta under the tutelage of France have enacted a constitution that diiferentiates citizens of that country as "allogenes" and "autotchones." It is therefore not a surprise that an agent of a primitive system comes to a forum were Southern Cameroonians exchange ideas to invoke tribalism.

It will be too much to ask such people if Black Americans fought for their human rights and dignity as human beings or tribal people.

It will be too much to ask of such people if
Black South Africans fought for their human rights and dignity as human beings or tribal people.

But people who emanate from a system and a country, who will impose a constitution on her citizens that gives them certain rights in one part of the country and deny them those same rights in another part of the country deserve more than our pity, the deserve our prayers. It is therefore not surprising that one such creature, suffering from the disease of francafriqueness will see absolutely nothing wrong, and actually take a primitive pride, under the glare of the world wibe web to ask a man fighting for the human rights and dignity of his people about his petty and primitive instinctive tribal concerns. Friends of LRC, we are beyond that argument. Our concerns are taking us to more lofty concerns, that address the requirements and exigencies of the modern world and not the the Frenchified instinct of an animalistic and programmed tribal solidarity.

We know the people who behave like animals and wild beasts in the Southern Cameroons. We will drive them out of the Southern Cameroons along with their French masters dispatched from Paris.

Mr. Nfor is correct: we have crossed the Rubicon, no surrender, no retreat.

"NO POWER ON EARTH CAN STOP AN IDEA WHOSE TIME HAS COME"

Riccardo

Dear brothers and sisters,

In my modest way of thinking, I do not intent to create panic and frustrations within your Organization.
If you really want to govern a Country or an Empire if you desire, you should be prepared to deal with people like me.
You Guys should start by using your common sense.
People will question your actions and will disagree with you. If at any instance of disagreement you go angry..... what Government will the people expect from you?
Will you make a mass grave for all those who will disagree with you in your Kingdom?
Are you going to deport or emprison any Ambazonian who will challenge you?
It is so scary.
If that is the case, don't you think that Biya's government is very kind with you Guy?
To be a Great Leader, you do not need to have a PHD or to be a Self- proclaimed Intellectual. It sounds so naive when many of you behave like kids....
I do not call myself an Intellectual or a PHD Holder. The issue here is not about me.It is about our Country.
I am a concerned Citizen. An Activist for Democracy and Peace! Call me an Advocate for a peaceful democratic change in my beautiful Country called CAMEROUN-CAMEROON.
I hope Mr Nfor will be kind enough to answer my questions. If he wants my vote of course..... OR THERE WILL BE NO VOTE TAKING PLACE TO CHOOSE A LEADER IN YOUR AMBAZONIA?
May be you are born to Lead Ambazonia...

CAMEROUN IS INDIVISIBLE!!!!!
Embrace the future. A Peaceful, United and Democratic Cameroon for All (Francophones and Anglophones).
CAMEROON WILL NEVER TURN INTO RWANDA.

VIVE LE CAMEROUN UNI ET DEMOCRATIQUE!
LONG LIVE THE PEOPLE OF CAMEROON (NORTH, SOUTH, EAST AND WEST)

RICCARDO.

Oben

Riccado and heniette,
You're nothing but a pieces of rotten shit, that have no knowledge of your own history.

Willie

Henriette,

I think you have missed the point completely. I have said this time and time again that Southern Cameroon and Anglophones are two different issues that should not be confused. Who has said that in this forum that we hate x or y because they speak French. Southern Cameroon is a sovereign territory made up of people from different ethnicity. You need to read and expand your knowledge on this before arguing. There is a lot of information on the web free to enlighten your understanding and broaden your awareness of the facts. I strongly recommend you to read Foncha’s resignation speech and the proclamation of independence. Please do your home work

Riccardo

Mr Okoronkwo,

Thanks for your constructive ideas. You said you are not a Camerounian, what are you? Well if you are a Nigerian or Gabonese,
you will agree with me that when a society shares democratic values, decentralization follows naturally. The more a society is democratic the more provinces and Departments and Cities will have their elected officials who will make decisions based on the interest of their constituency.
That is why it is imperative to first nuture and foster democratic values and instill the importance of the rule of laws to eliminate corruption in Cameroon.
I will even say it is critical.
To play a Game, first the rules of the games have to be defined and agreed upon.
Cameroon is slowly moving towards a democratic society.
That is why these so called SNCS should join forces to speed up a peaceful democratic process in Cameroun.
Instead, they are so focus on instant gratification tactics! Anyone of them want to make a name for themselves.
When people self-proclaim themselves Leaders representing regions and advocate hate towards other fellow Cameroonians, it is not only morally wrong, despicable but dangerous. Africa is well known for breeding War Lords and Dictators.
Brother that is the danger! At the end of the day those that suffer are our poor people living in their villages.
We the Progressive Forces will never let that happen!
Cameroonians will never be fooled to embrace hate and division as a solution for democracy.
I personnally invite you to visit Cameroon since you are not a Cameroonian. You will love our beautiful Country!
If you do, please tell me what you think.

Riccardo.


Charles Forkwa

I said it before and I will say it again and you see it everywhere, those in majority who benefit from the status quo, intentionally or not, fail to understand and deliberately ignore the plight of the minority. You can see from the poster here who keep dismissing the complaint of Southern Cameroonian as baseless and propose that all is fine or that things can be FIXED!. As far as they are concerned, history is irrelevant, they keep sticking thier head in the sand -- they are in denial.
But the history of the disenfranchised all over the world is evidence that such wounds left untreated has haboured deep resentment that has culminated into uprising which cannot be stopped.
If you do not have the wound you cannot feel the hurt, no matter how much you strive to understand how being wounded feels.
If the colonialist had left us with our own devises history would have been different, but they didin't. Kameroun was left with two incompatible cultures -- French & English. No matter how you rationalize it the two cultures CANNOT mesh. Someone mentioned Canada. Canada is a country of laws that is why they have been able to sustain their union to thier mutual benefit. Cameroon does not practice the laws it has on the books and that is why the union of West and East did not work -- and will never work.
The sooner we all realize this and stop fooling ourselves the easier it will be for everyone -- otherwise we are just delaying the inevitable.

SJ

Mr. Riccardo says "Cameroon will never turn into a Rwanda." For your information Sir, before there was a "Rwanda" in Rwanda, there was a "Rwanda" in your one and indivisible La Republique du Cameroun. It started even before La Republique du Cameroun invaded the Southern Cameroons. The French and her Camerounese agents brutally killed people in La Republique du Cameroun, putting their heads on sticks like war trophies. They napalmed swats of villages and towns in the certain parts of La Republique du Cameroun. Extimates say 300,000 - 500,000 Africans were slaughtered in what today some people call the Bamileke/Bassa rebellion against brutal French rule. Those who helped create that "Rwanda" in your Cameroun by killing their fellow Africans were put in power. The first one was called "pere de la Nation," and his young prince was called "l'homme du Renouveau" who later became the "L'homme Lion." These creators of that genocide in the Bamileke and Bassa country of La Republique du Cameroun have brought that madness, across their international boundary as was known and immutable when she became independent on January 1, 1960 to the Southern Cameroons. In the Southern Cameroons their arrival brought massacres in Tiko, Kumba and Santa just to name a few. These Camerounese who behave like wild animals must be driven back to their bush in La Republique du Cameroun.

La Republique du Cameroun was once Rwanda and will become so again. Remember your country took in and sheltered all those genocidaires from Rwanda who joined Jacques Roger Booh Booh as the RPF chased them out, only threats made your La Republique du Cameroun send them away to face their fates at the court of law. Riccardo, your country has already drawn her battle lines between the "allogenes" and "autochtones," and only waiting for your 72 year old president to die to start killing each other like you did in the 50s, 60s with the help of the French. You will not transfer that thinking and barbarism to the people of the Southern Cameroons.

We have rejected you, notwithstanding that you divided our country and are continuously trying to pit us against each other. The fact that you are here in desperation talking about a peaceful Cameroun, with a Rwanda in her past, that you, Mr. Riccardo is unaware of shows how much La Republique du Cameroun's colonial rule is near its end, and how poorly prepared and informed those they dispatch to speak on the behalf are.

dango tumma

henrieete and ricardo are husband and wife
from the french side of the mungo.
they are all jealous and are hate mongers.
why even answering, only he doesnt even have a high school grade education, haven
been given a lottery green card by america
and anglophone country, he thinks, he up inthe mount, if he was in paris, he wouldnt
even have the audacity to write inthis forum.
thats how freedom ,empower people, even
the dregs of society too have the voice to
talk to the king, the king as FON NFOR NGALA.
I SURELLY PITY THIS RAT,CAUSE HE DOESNT EVENHAVE A LIFE OF HIS. LIKE THE USELESS
GIRL CALLED HEN- RAT. OR WHAT.
THE FACTS ARE ALLOVER THE WORLD ,AND OUR SOVEREIGNTY IS ALREADY SECURED. ITS A MATTER
OF MONTHS NOT TEARS BEFORE THE THINGS START PACKING, PACKING TO THEIR NATIVE DEN THEY CRAWLED FROM. THE FIRST PLACE.

dango tumma

HEN RAT, HOW IS SOUTHERN CAMEROONS AND ANGLOPHONE TWO SEPERATE ISSUES?
WHAT YEAR WERE YOU BORN?
WHERE DID YOUR FATHER CAMER FROM?
YOU AS FRENCH CAMEROUNESE, ARENT YOU
EMBARRASED TRYING TO LECTURE YOUR SUPERIORS AS TO WHAT CONSTITUTES THEIR
PLIGHT IN THEIR LAND?
YOU AND RICARDO, EXPECTS ANY SOUTHERN CAMEROONIAN(AMBAZONIAN) TO TAKE YOU SERIOUSLY. OR YOU ARE JUST ENTERTAINING YOUR SELF ON THE KEY BOARD?
OR BOTH OF YOU ARE SLAVES WHO HAVE BEEN
DENIED IN YOUR HOMELAND, NOW YOU ARE SEEKING ACCEPTANCE,IN SOUTHERN CAMEROONS?

dango tumma

RICARDO ALVARO AND HEN-RAT,
THE TWO SLAVES,
WE ARE NOT YOUR BROTHERS NOR SISTERS,
GO TELL THAT TO YOUR FROGS.

Henriette

Mr Charles Fokwa,

you said: if the colonialist had left us with our own devises history would have been different, but they didin't. Kameroun was left with two incompatible cultures -- French & English. No matter how you rationalize it the two cultures CANNOT mesh.

Where do you put the diverse and rich Cameroonian culture in your equation? Do you think cameroonians think of themselves as little frenchmen or little englishmen? Cameroonians identify with their flag, green-red-yellow, with their traditional roots, the place where they are living.
Come on!, our ancestors weren't empty vessels, they left us a lot to be proud of, a lot to inspire us.

Reducing Cameroon's identity to a french/english dichotomy is very superficial.
Our mission is to build a better Cameroon everyday not to theorize about french or british culture.

Mr Charles Fokwa, don't you think that a Paris Frenchman has more in common with a London british than a Cameroonian (North,East, West, South) does?

Ma Mary

Sometimes one might lose one patience with young Camerounese like Riccardo and Henriette. FYI, no one hates you, but we do not like to see your police on our streets or your Roman style "prefects" lording it over our people. It is quite telling that they do not educate themselves to think independently and with the facts, but continue to parrot party line propaganda.

One day Mr Riccardo, if perhaps he becomes older and wiser, Mr Riccardo will regret the tones with which he addresses someone with the courage and integrity of a Nfor Ngalla Nfor. As in all things, Southern Cameroonians and the Southern Cameroons have been your teachers but you have refused to learn. You have refused for four decades to accept your ticket out of the French mental, economic and linguistic ghetto. Now the Southern Cameroons is tired of lifting your weight. You guys need to take care of yourselves, because we have gone already; we just need to take care of the details.

Unity, which you keep talking about is not a good in and of itself, especially when the fruit of that unity has been oppression, impoverishment and loss of Southern Cameroonian institutions.

I shall answer some of your questions:

The SCNC Mandate: The SCNC did not emerge from pleine aire and impose itself on the Southern Cameroons people. There were two All Anglophone Conferences, AAC1 and AAC2 attended by leaders and peoples of the Southern Cameroons, including majors who are now deceased, such as Foncha, Luma, Muna, Mukong and Southern Cameroonians of all strata. These meetings produced letters to the powers in Yaounde regarding the grievances of the Southern Cameroons. At AAC2, the SCNC was formed and was given the mandate to renew our independence if la Republique did not come to the table to negotiate within a reasonable time. The SCNC also conducted a signature referendum, that was signed by about 500,000 people including many prominent Bamileke Southern Cameroonians. They voted almost unanimously for independence from la Republique du Cameroun. This signature referendum was conducted in the teeth of oppressive measures from la republique. Some of the polling officials are still in the Yaounde dungeons, not charged with any crime.

Southern Cameroons is not a tribe. How long does one have to say it before you understand? It is about a country a real country that your country has tried to swallow and it has stuck in its throat. Even I writing here am not of a Southern Cameroons indigenous group.


(FYI the first people from la Republique who were government officials first showed up around 1966, and they were thoroughly impressed and intimidated with the professionalism with which we ran our country, not as arrogant as you pups. You may want to speak to JC Ngoh, if he is still alive, and used to be Ahijoes henchman in Buea)

Gman-Ntamulung

Please,
Let’s not make opposing point of views take us the wrong side of the debate.
I totally agree that "Southern Cameroonians" have been marginalized a lot by past and current governments of Cameroon.
I do not by any means discount the fight of “southern Cameroonian”. But Cameroon is not Canada, and SOME (not all) of the issues posed here by Ricardo are sound.
In Canada, the majority of people from Quebec and to some extend New Brunswick trace their roots to France, and the other provinces from Great Britain.
In Cameroon, it's different. We are a conglomerate of tribes and from my point of view, the colonial heritage should not fundamentally divide us; Even though Biya and Ahidjo's government have not taken seriously the cry of the two Anglophones provinces.

It's normal that some people advocate independence. But it's also normal that some people disagree. And they should not be seen as sellouts if they do so.
I really think that Cameroon should not break. The fight towards democracy should aim at Biya and his acolytes. Cameroon is more than Biya, Ahidjo.
RS

SJ

Gman,

"Cameroun" is already broken. The non-implementation of the terms of the Federation of "two states of equal status" meant that "Cameroun" broke a long time ago. The cosmetics surrounding this non-implementation which were progressively discarded: overthrow of the Federation in 1972, and the seccession of East Cameroun and her invocation of her independence name of La Republique du Cameroun by Restoration Law 001/84 made that break up of La Republique du Cameroun and the Southern Cameroons permanent. Yes it has taken over 40s for the people of the Southern Cameroons to begin slowly resisting this plague. We will resist if forever. It was after hundreds of years that slaves finally got free, it took 123 years before the Algerians began the resistance against the French.

We have crossed the Rubicon. No surrender, no retreat. We have an inter-generational responsiblity to free ourselves from colonial rule.

dango tumma

YOU KNOW, IN THE COUNTRY LRC, THEY ARE NOT TAUGHT HISTORY OF AFRICA OR GEOGRAPGY OF THE WORLD IN THEIR LYCEES, THE ONLY SUBJECT THE TEACHES THEM IS THE HISTORY OF FRANCE AND THE GEOGRAHY OF FRANCE AND HOW FRANCE IS A WORLD POWER ,, IN FACT THESE TWO
TWO LOST SHEEP OF RICARDO ALVARO AND HEN-RAT
SIMPLY WHERE NEVER TAUGHT ANY THING IS THEIR YOUTH, THEY DONT EVEN KNOW ANY THING ABOUT THEMSELVES OR WHERE THEIR PARENTS CAME FROM.THEY ARE CONFUSED BECAUSE OF THE
NAME(CAMEROON),THERE IS CONGO-KINGSHASSA AND CONGO-BRAZZAVILLE.ALSO GUINEA BISSAU,
GUINEA - CONAKRY, THAT DOESNT MEANS THEY
ARE ONE COUNTRY OR THE SAME PEOPLE SOO
WHY NOT,)LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN AND
SOUTHERN CAMEROONS FEDERAL?

Andre Fokam

this debate is leading nowhere and is of no good for the people who live in our beloved cameroon. why, because people like Tumma, SJ and co base their arguments on their dreams and illusions, not on the facts on the ground. you cannot debate with people who are not in touch with realities.

Andre Fokam

dango tumma

HEN-RAT,
DONT YOU THINK A MAN IN FRENCH WHITE HAS MORE IN COMMON WITH A MAN IN LONDON,,AH AH
LISTEN TO THE WAY THEY REASON,,OH LORD,
EVEN IF YOU BREAK OPEN THEIR SKULL AND PUT SOME STUFF INSIDE IT WILL POP OUT;
HEN-RAT, WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT TRIBES OR RACES, CANT YOU THINK ABOVE THAT?
ITS ABOUT FORM OF GOVERNANCE, A POLITICAL
STRUCTURE, A CULTURE> AND LASTLY, LASTLY. LASTLY
NOT TRIBES, TO YOU ANGLOPHONE MEANS A TRIBE
AS BAMELIKE. THATS THE WAY YOU PARENTS TAUGHT YOU, THEY ARE DEAD WRONG.
FROM ALL THE ABOVE O MENTIONED. RISE SOMETHING, CALLED A WORLD VIEW. THATS WHY FRENCHMAN LIKE YOURSELVES, REASON AND SEES THEMSELVES CLOSER TO FRANCE THAN LONDON AND BELONGS TO THE FRACOPHONIE,EVEN THOUGHT
YOU ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE EMBRACING THIS LOWLIFE CULTURE AND LANGUAGE, JUST LOOK AT THE RECENT BAMAKO SUMMIT OF FRANCAFRIQUE
WITH CHIRAC AT THE CENTER, YOUR PARENTS LOVE THAT, BUT YOU DONT SEEM TO KNOW WHY, GO ASK THEM. FRANCAFRIQUE, PRINTS ALL YOUR COUN TRY CURRENCY, AND STEALS ALL THE
WEALTH, INTO THEIR TREASURY IN THE NAME OF
GUARRANTYING ITS STABILITY, CONTINUE TO ENSLAVE YOUR COUNTRY, , 10 MILLION SHEEP
WHO RESAON LIKE HEN-RAT WOULD NEVER SEE,
DO YOU THINK SUCH GABBAGE COULD HAPPEN IN NIGERIA, AN ANGLOPHONE CULTURED NAION?
NO, BRITISH ANBASSADOR WAS SOMETIME KICKED OUT OF LAGOS. BECAUSE THE PEOPLE HAVE THE
FREEDOM TO THINK FREELLY ANY SPEAK FREELLY. AND DEVELOP THEIR COUNTRY INDEPENTLY. SOMEONE TALK OF SIERRA- LEONE. YES IT IS A POOR COUNTRY TODAY, BUT THEY ARE MORE FREE
AND THE ARE NOT IN PERPETUALL PRISON AS IN THE FRENH STATE OF LA REP DU CAM
HEM-RAT. DO YOU GATHER ANY THING?

erick-denzel

Ricardo has a teenage brain, his choice of name (Ricardo)depicts his extent of reasoning.
People should not waste precious time responding to the bunch of nonsense which that good for nothing teenage brain call Ricardo raises as isssues becuase the have no reasonable foundation.
I will like to repeat to ricardo that this is not a forum for people with small minds and brains. Take your Brain mate Henriette along with you and go to kiddies corner because she is writing for the sake of it and has nothing to offer.
Do you know the name of the newiest country in the world, Do you also know of Taiwan and others.
Man do are a miserable peevish Brat and you need to be drown.

kabuin

If i have anything good to offer to my beloved of the Southern Cameroons,it's to tell them to ignore the presence of Ricardo and the wife, they are birds of the same feathers and understand just nothing even of their very existence.
LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN HAS ASSIGNED THEM TO KEEP DOING THIS IN OTHER TO GET THE UPDATES OF OUR ACTIVITIES. AN ENEMY GETS YOU BETTER WHEN HE KNOWS YOUR DIRECTION. AVOIDING TO RESPOND TO THEIR SILLY COMMENTS WILL KEEP THEM BLIND AND THIS WILL HURT THEM MOST.

Tayong

Fellow Countrymen.

With due respect for all contributors I wish to state this categorically. We the anglophones all accept there is an anglophone problem,including our brothers in govt. When a man is pushed to the wall he can go for the extreme.Let me put things straight to those who are still unaware.The anglophones decided to join their francophone brothers to form a cordial and mutual state where the values of each side were respected and kept. That was the federal state.Later on they later formed " A UNITED REPUBLIC OF CAMEROON". The agreement was still mutual respect and guidance of each other´s way of life and indentity. Late President Ahidjo and Biya (due respect) cunningly changed the laws to assimilate the anglophones.A presidential decree signed in 1984 changed the country from United Republic to "La Republique".
Late Pa Foncha resigned from govt to protest the gradual assimilation of the anglophone side of the country .Nothing happened.Muna followed , still Biya remained adamant.In 1993 The All Anglophone conference met in Buea and vehemently decried the the fast assimilation of the anglophones with danger signals.The govt still maintained the status quo.Today here we are. Who is to blame? The SCNC or The Regime?

To Ricardo and others:
I honestly respect your opinion gentlemen but frankly if you are an anglophone permit me say you seem to be living in a dream world.I give you a few examples,

A "bilingual nation" whose currency is only in one of the languages

An anglophone student studies in ENS in French( e.g the sciences)and he/she is to deliver lectures to english speaking students in English.What will be his language of instruction to these unfortunate students? Franc_anglais of course not English.


A shocking event happened in the parliament recently.When Hon. Jua Paulinus got up to make a strong point he was shouted down by his fellow francophone conterpart " tais toi Nigerien" !! Did you follow that??
Yet this is the man who makes the law( for people he calls "Nigerien".

My point is instead of dining and winning with the regime in place only, sound them the alarm bell , to avert a catastrophe.We all love Cameroon.

Flavia

Enough is enough.

When are we going to be free from the hands of this LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN(LRC).For God's sake, what unity and peace are these people talking of.We've had enough hard times.For all these years,no change or signs of change we can not continue in this agony,we may not see the freedom but we will not like to see our children and grand-children suffer the same.The government of LRC only recognises the Southern Cameroon region when it's time for the extraction of natural resources.What a pity,how long have people of this region cried for road construction and other developmental facilities.Out of all the ministers and top-governmental posts how many are from this region? We talk of bilingualism,how many national institution run in english language,CUESS,Polytechnique,ENS-Yd'e,..etc all in the french language.Is this fair,no way.LRC is even worst to their colonial masters,we have nothing to learn or gain from them.
We don't want your unity,why don't you allow us our freedom.

Please people like Riccardo et al should be ignored.They should go ahead and help to unit their LRC we don't need them in our affairs.

Riccardo

Dear Frustrated and Angry brothers and Sisters,

PERSONAL ATTACKS ON RICCARDO WILL NOT HELP YOUR CAUSE.
THE POTENTIAL OF HAVING ONE OF YOU WORST THAN MOBUTU AND IDI AMIN EXISTS.
NONE OF YOU HAVE REALLY SHOWN ANY SENSE OF LEADERSHIP AND TOLERANCE...
IAM VERY SORRY.....
I DOUBT IT IF YOU CAN EVEN BE A POLITICAL PARTY IN CAMEROON.. PEOPLE WILL UNDERSTAND THAT YOU DON'T HAVE IDEAS TO OFFER TO THE PEOPLE BUT DREAMS TO BE MINISTERS AND KINGS.

"YOU HAVE NOTHING TO OFFER IN A MODERN AND DEMOCRATIC CAMEROUN-CAMEROON"

YOUR ORGANIZATION IS DOOMED TO FAILURE AND CAMEROON WILL BE UNITED AND DEMOCRATIC FOR EVER...

A BON ENTENDEUR SALUT!

THANK YOU FOR HELPING CAMEROON TO BE MORE UNITED THAN EVER!

CAMEROUN WILL REMAIN CAMEROUN
WE ARE ON THE WAY TO A DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY
THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR ALL CAMEROONIANS ...
IT IS COMING....
NO HATE WILL BE TOLERATED IN CAMEROON...

SORRY GUYS YOU MIGHT NOT LIKE IT BUT OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY WILL CHANGE PEACEFULLY FOR THE BENEFIT OF ITS CHILDREN....

I UNDERSTAND THAT YOUR LIFE IS GETTING MORE AND MORE MISERABLE DUE TO YOUR AGE...

THEN, JOIN THE PROGRESSIVE FORCES OF CAMEROON TO FIGHT CORRUPTION, TRIBALISM, NEPOTISM... AND HELP MAKE CAMEROON A MORE DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.
THIS IS THE WAY TO THE FUTURE...

Yours respectfully,
Riccardo.

Thomson

This damp shit of Riccardo, I will get back to you. You got no sense in your head.

Riccardo

By the way,

I am willing to help recycle you into Real Political Parties in Cameroon such as SDF, UDC, UPC etc....
It will be done on Case by Case basis.
You must have a Clean Criminal Record of course.
FYI there about 177 more Political Parties to choose from.

Please contact me if you are interested.

Riccardo

lamin

http://www.southerncameroons.org/

MC

The devil you know is better than the angel you don't know.

Southern Cameroonian fans should be take note.
Your approach of being so rude,unculture,non-democratic and not the least tolerant reviels a lot about you guys.How then are you different or will be different from the others.Just stop day-dreaming and building castles in the air.You guys are really frustrated,I can see,just relax,keep a cool head and look forward on how to build a developed,peaceful and united Cameroon.

I'm sorry to say this,your reactions and approach makkes most of you appear as devils dressed in angels robes.

Charles Forkwa

Yes, all these ideas for self-determination make all the profiteers shiver! Why would you want to hang on to a marriage in which your partner wants a divorce? Is it because you benefit more from the relationship?
I would think that La Republique will be proud to STAND on its own. Is it because it can't? And why can't she? Because of a culture of corruption and mismanagement, that's why. Live for today and leave nothing for their descendants. It’s a shame that since 1961 this insidious behavior has been systematically injected to the point of diluting the Southern Cameroons with this deviant culture.
For those who need a lesson in history, research the "Commission of Inquiry" of West Cameroon. There was a system of accountability. West Cameroon had its share of crooks, but when they were caught, they were investigated and punished. Yes, PUNISHED, which is a foreign word in the current culture of "chop-a-chop" or worst chop-broke-pot". These are verifiable facts not speculation.
You may mock what I say, or pick and choose what suits your fancy to reject, but the facts are indisputable.
Mark my words, whatever shred of decency is left will be resurrected and promulgated for a brighter future. It's just a matter of time.

Henriette

Erik-Denzel, Thomson, Donga Tumma et al

I would feel sorry for you if the anonymity offered by the internet wasn't shielding your mature selves from the embarrassing display of poor civility you seem to enjoy. I must say that you excell in that domain, as you seem so eager to earn my compliments. Now you got it, frame it!

Polish your language, and restrain your emotions.

Dango Tumma Thompson, go eat some kalaba to soothe your urge to spill filthy words.

Henriette


long live Cameroon
God Bless Cameroon

Kossa Kossa

Emperor

This Henriette of a girl must surely be VERY UGLY ! I best understand how ugly girls reason.
Long Live Southern Cameroons

Riccardo

Sister Henriette,

These people are so miserable and sick. They are so bloated with emotions as another brother said in many comments here.
Look at those who want to rule a Banana Republic in their dream.
They need attention and they are dying for it.
They are Hatemongers, Hitlerlike, Dividers and have no Love for themselves.
I am very sorry for them.

VIVE LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN!
CAMEROUN IS INDIVISIBLE wheiter you like or not!
God Bless All the Peace Loving People of Cameroon (Anglophones and Francophones).

Riccardo.

Randy

I've lived a good chunk of my life in Douala. I still remember the advice my best friend gave me when I arrived. I'll quote him

1." Most Francophones, just like the French are belligerent and will take advantage of you when you are meek."

2, " Just like the French, they think that anything French is supreme."

3. "Just like the French, Logical reasoning is not their way of life and most differences are settled with the fist."

4. "Just like the French, 'open-eye' is the order of the day, but if someone ever tried to intimidate you, then hit them twice as hard. They will almost always give up, learn to respect you and will do everything to make peace with you ."

I do not know about other people, but on a personal level, my experience in this part of the Cameroons and beyond have proven that my friend was right.

If not all of these points, at least #3 has been manifested time and again by Riccardo et al. They have conveniently thrown away all logic and are forever determined to disregard the true history of their country (LRC) and that of the Southern Cameroons.

Listen to their empty and sickening slogan of a "one and indivisible Cameroon" and you'll understand that these people are not here for a true debate, they are mean agents of provocation bent on seeking notice.

To those Southern Cameroonians on this forum, who are truly concerned about the liberation of our fatherland, I'm appealing to all of you to ignore these 'agents provocateurs.' Every time you respond to their senseless bickering, they return with more childishness as if to mock our determination. Please take my old friend's advice; hit them twice as hard and the best way to do this is just to ignore them.

Riccardo

Brother Randy,

Since you have been living in America, you have not learnt how to accept people who have different political views than yours.
My friend in Kumba used to say " UN TRONC D'ARBRE DANS L'EAU NE DEVIENDRA JAMAIS UN POISSON".
This is a typical example of someone who will never accept the democratic values of the civilized world.
It is tough brother, whenever you get into politics expect to be challenged by people with different ideas.
You better get use to it. In Cameroon, it is happening daily in our political arena.
You people pretend to be for AMBAZONIA, SOUTHERN CAMEROON ETC.... WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE FRONT LINE? COWARDS... THAT IS WHERE THE BATTLE IS...
YOU COWARDS ARE SITTING HERE EATING, HAMBURGERS, CHINESE CHICKEN AND RICE EVERYDAY WITH YOUR BIG STOMACH AND SCREAMING RUBBISH...

Have you ever heard about the 1st amendement in the United States Constitution?
It guarantees freedom of speech, freedom of religion and freedom of assembly.
That is what we are trying to enforce in our Beautiful Country.
That is why your Peers are arrested and then sent out on Bail.
You Guys are very ungrateful!
You have to thank the Progressive Forces of Cameroon of being in Cameroon fighting the battle for you.
They are building, participating, proposing solutions to make our Country a better place to live today.
Imagine if we had people like you in power, we will be digging out many mass graves and the United Nations will be having the "Casques Bleus" in Cameroon.
A modern civil society is taking roots in our Country and we do not want you Guys to disrupt the process...

May God bless you!

Riccardo

Henriette

Randy,
Your story sounds more like the tale of the villager coming to the big city. You can interchange Douala with New York City, and the same cliches could apply.

Henriette

David Ako

RICCARDO writes “You people pretend to be for AMBAZONIA, SOUTHERN CAMEROON ETC.... WHY DON'T YOU GO TO THE FRONT LINE? COWARDS... THAT IS WHERE THE BATTLE IS..”

Monsieur Reeky,

Where have you been? We are already at the front line but it is a different type of war. Ours is a war of argument and facts while lobbying for justice at international level.

Your type of war is that of guns, bullets and blood. That is all you know and your country La Republique readily deploys it shamelessly against civilians and students. Right now, LRC is confronting students at UNIYAO. Guess what, your government has banned newspapers, CRTV and Radio from reporting on the upheaval. You call that a democracy? That is a contrivance of France Afrique.

In the summer, our Leaders confronted your Country in Geneva at the floor of the UN. Nfor Ngala and Chief Ayamba of the Southern Cameroons made an eloquent presentation. In response, your Camerounese Ambassador spoke in some regional European Language that no body could understand. Such an idiot is not qualified to represent the aspirations of Southern Cameroonians.

In the summer, our lawyers confronted your presidency in Banjul over the international lawsuit Southern Cameroons vs. La Republique du Cameroun. We await the verdict from Africa's highest court.

The Southern Cameroons is convincingly making the case that Bakassi is not a property of Yaounde because your country LRC had no maritime boundary at the time of her independence from France in 1960, with the Federal Republic of Nigeria.

More fronts are in the pipeline and will be opened in an escalated manner in irrevocable quest for de-annexation from your expansionist domain. JUSTICE shall be served.

The Southern Cameroons National Council wants this matter settled peacefully and recognizes the demon in your soul as manifested by your abhorence of dialogue and preference for a bloody confrontation. We know you well - afterall, 44 years of bad experience cannot be disinvented.

Bessem

Riccardo

Brother Bessem (David Ako)

What a nice speech! You are the first Ambazonian or whatever you people call yourself to use the word "Peace".
Could you help your Peers to understand that since you are awaiting the decision of the Court or the UN on this matter, they should stop poisining our Country with their message of Hate and division?
I am sure that Kofi Annan has so much to do than thinking about disenchanted, frustrated people who want to create their Kingdom in Africa.
No one will want another Peace Keeping Forces in Africa again...
Look around, they are needed almost everywhere in Africa. Sudan, Congo, Burundi, Cote d'Ivoire, Liberia, Sierra Leone, Polisario, Casamance.
Just look at African history. There was a disenchanted group like yours in Senegal.
Do you remember la Casamance?
Senegal is a Democracy today and they are forgotten.

You know, I will never stop you from dreaming but be realistic... You know deep in you that it will never happen.

So, just keep waiting .....

For now, we are busy working on getting Nigeria to leave our Land.
And finally Cameroon will have its integral territory.

My brothers, keep dreaming.....

We love you,
Riccardo

Le Camerounais

Promote 2005 : PM Inoni Gives Kick Off


LUKONG Pius NYUYLIME
[06/12/2005]


The Prime Minister in opening the International Business Forum yesterday called for improved conditions for SMEs.

The Nkol Nyada hill top where the Yaounde Conference Centre is located was a veritable beehive yesterday when the Prime Minister, Head of Government, Ephraim Inoni officially opened the second edition of the International Business Forum dubbed, PROMOTE 2005. People of all walks of business life filled the hall, the premises and the slopes of the hill in a bid to witness the official launching ceremony.

Two major items characterized the ceremony: speeches and visit of exhibition stands. That, the National Anthem was sang by non Cameroonians, and that up to eight speeches were delivered at the Conference Centre tell of the magnitude of the event. But much importantly was the clarion call for the valorization of the role of Small and Medium Size Enterprises in building the economy and poverty alleviation. The Prime Minister, in his speech, expressed the wish for PROMOTE 2005 to be a purveyor to SMEs development in Cameroon and an opportunity to improve the environment for SMEs to prosper.

He was above all worried over the unfavourable conditions for African products in the international market. In this light, Mr Inoni called for the dismantling of obstacles that have so far stood on the way of Africa’s access to the World market. These include, eliminating export subsidies to European products and import quotas. Against this backdrop, he expressed the hope that the Yaounde forum be an occasion to discuss the ways and means of enhancing their activities.

The Minister of the Economy and Finance, Polycarpe Abah Abah, who spoke earlier, hailed the Small and Medium Size Enterprises for the great role their played during the period of economic crisis. The SMEs provided employment and greatly helped in the fight against poverty, he said, underscoring the fact that they still face a lot of problems including financing and the absence of a viable legal framework. While stating that government has done much to improve the situation, he said, PROMOTE was occasion to help support the SMEs. Mr Abah Abah was particularly disturbed at the attitude of banks and credit institutions which have often failed to provide conducive financial conditions to support small enterprises.

The Delegate General of PROMOTE, Pierre Zumbach poured praises on the countries that have made it possible for PROMOTE to be organized. Special thanks went to France, Switzerland and South Africa for their significant participation.

The 900 stands will be opened to the public today.



David Ako

RICCARDO writes.."I am sure that Kofi Annan has so much to do than thinking about disenchanted, frustrated people who want to create their Kingdom in Africa".

Riccardo epitomises the lawless mentality of La Republique du Cameroun LRC. This is the old idea of the end justifies the means, any means to illegally acquire land, riding rough over agreements and international law.

Riccardo, as our leaders have said, the Southern Cameroons reserve a legitimate right to fight back with FIRE in self-defence. Take nothing for granted at this point.

Once again, the International Community has to know that at this moment LRC has again deployed armed troops against striking students in Yaounde and has placed a complete news blackout on the operation.

RICCARDO, now let me teach you some history. The education system east of the Mungo might be all about “quand je suis a Paris”!.

Southern Cameroons (SC) is no Casamance. SC was never under French colonial rule and was not part of LRC when she gained independence on 1 January 1960. You should find out the terms of the failed Cameroon Federation.

Casamance was part of the French Soudan Federation that gained independence on June 20, 1960. On August 20, 1960, the Soudan Federation broke up into Senegal and Soudan (renamed Mali). Casamance stayed as an integral part of Senegal. The Gambia formed a brief Federaion with Senegal in 1982 and it too broke up shortly after.

The dispute in Casamance relates to the Diola ethnic group that is economically and politically disadvantaged as a whole in Senegal. The dispute in the Cameroons is about the abrogation of the Federal Costitution linking two distinct territories, annexation of Southern Cameroons by the larger LRC and rapacious exploitation. Southern Cameroons citizens also fell victim to Francophone cultural imperialism dubbed “national integration” and an illegal attempt to degrade cultural ties between Southern Cameroons and Great Britain in the 80s.

This is probably too heavy for you, Riccardo. Get the facts right before you write again. The SCNC is aware of your numerical supriority but this nationalist organization is a formidable David armed with facts.

Bessem

David Ako

Monsiuer Le Camerounais,

Stop peddling the undebated and "propaganda of Cameroon Tribune" on the post. This is a more enlightened medium.

The Prime Minister can easily talk of overseas tarriffs but he will not say a thing about the kick-backs, side-kicks and dubious solictations that agencies of the regime make from business and as well the climate of punitive taxation coupled by entrenched corruption at the Port in Douala.

The PM did not mention AGOA the law signed by President Clinton granting huge trade concessions to certain African and Carribean Countries, including Cameroon.

Cameroon Tribune has the resources of State to startup an interactive news service if Government has the courage to debate with the People.

Please save us from the so-called "Cameroon Fib'une".

Bessem

Ma Mary

It would help if the Camerounizers actually disputed facts or came up with real arguments instead of throwing used up and discredited slogans around. We must refrain from using unprintable language that describes bodily functions. I think the arguments based on facts stand out clearly and do not need the help of bad language, which only turns people off. I am not claiming to be free from the weakness of anger with what I consider stupidity and denseness and obliviousness to facts and most of all to standoffish Southern Cameroonians. WRITING IN ALL CAPS IS ALSO INCONSIDERATE. MAKES ME WANT TO REACH FOR STRONGER GLASSES.

Ma Mary

Le Camerounais:
In the future, please provide a link to Cameroun Tribune and a short comment as to why we should read the article. BTW, what is your intent of posting the tribune article here. What is its relevance to this story?
MM

Riccardo

Brother Bessem,

Thank you for your comments.

May I ask respectfully ask you a few questions?

1) Where is your Southern Cameroon ? Where is Ambazonia?

2)Are they 2 different Kingdoms?

3)Could you describe it geographically?

4)Who are those that make up that Southern Cameroon? Could you possibly name the tribes that are targeted ?

5)Who is financing your Organization?

6)Have you ever tried to create a Political Party?

7) What do you think of SDF in Cameroon? If this Political Party becomes our GOP will that help you Guys reintegrate in the Cameroonian society?

8) Do you know any Political Party in Cameroon today that you admire?

9) Who is your actual Leader?

10) Do you have some Francophones supporting your cause, if not why?
Please note that my questions are not intended to provoke insults and anger from your Gang.
I am just an humble Cameroonian who believes that "knowledge is Power".

Thank you in advance for your answers.

Respectfully,

Riccardo

stanley

MA MARY YOU GOT IT WRONG THE SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS AND NOT Camerounizers AS YOU CALL US USE ABUSIVE LANGUAGE ON THE OTHERS , I THINK YOU SHOULD EDUCATE YOUR AVOCATES OF THE DEMONIC SOUTHERN CAMEROON IDEAOLOGY ABOUT THIS AND NOT US.WE INCLUDING RICARDO AND OTHERS HAVE ALWAYS ARGURED IN THIS FORUM IN THE MOST RESPONSIBLE AND RESPECTFUL WAYS.#
THANK YOU.
MEANWHILE I WILL NOT AND NEVER AGREE THAT MY COUNTRY SHOULD BE DIVIDED."LIE LIE NA LIE LIE"

Madiba

LESSON FROM BELGIUM.
Whether we are for a Souvereign Southern Cameroons or not,that is inconsequential.There is one universal truth and that is the fact that Anglophone marginalisation is no longer a secret and the marriage(if ever there was one)has irretrievably broken down.I am a Southern Cameroonian who lives in Belgium(a country which has tried to fuse 2 main communities the French or Wallons in the minority and the Flemish or Dutch in the Majority).Belgium recently celebrated 150 years of independence and 25 years of Federalism.From this an outsider would see this as a success story especially coming from a country with an established parliamentary system.
But Brothers and sisters,we who live here and the Belgians themselves know that,the 2 communities can never succesfully live together even in the most perfect Federal system.When Belgium colonised the the countries of the Great Lake Region(Burundi,Rwanda and Zaire),the French carried out the administrative work while the Flemish did all the other menial jobs such as digging in the gold mines.The french exploited the flemish(as it is usual of them)and considered them second class citizens.The Flemish worked hard and exploited most of the minerals which they shipped back home.The French tried to impose their language(as usual)but the Flemish resisted and instead opted to take English as their second language to the detriment of French.Reason why the Flemish use English in their schools,work places etc more than French.The Flemish have worked hard over the years and now they are the richest linguistic community on continental Europe.The French have meanwhile been lazying out(as usual).
Flanders(where the Flemish live)contributes five times more to the Federal government's budget than the French do.And they have built their economy solely on the Service industry(for Belgium is void of mineral resources).The only mineral resource they had was coal but the value of coal has dropped worldwide.The Flemish are now dominating the economy,politics(the CDH/VL which is in power is Flemish)and other sectors of society.The Flemish are opting to secede and to join Holland(Nederlands)with whom they have Cultral and linguistic ties.Whilst they are proposing that the French join France because of the same reasons.They are fed up of French exploitation,hypocrisy,greed etc.Worst still they are angered by the fact that it is the French who have allowed Muslims(Arabs) into their country and Belgium is now under the threat of an Islamic suicide bomber of the magnitude of what happened in London.
So fellow Southern Cameroonians,we should work hard towards building a solid community and avoid interacine quarrels amongst ourselves.From thence we shall stand like one man and chart the destiny of Ambazonia.We Most Overcome.

Andre Fokam

Ma Mary.
i was begining to wonder where you have been. but i am happy you are back, and it appears you gained much more maturity. i hope you will continu to call forumists to order about the kind of language and animosity used on this forum.
here is one point. the division advocates on this forum (SCNC fans) are so bent on historical facts and at the same time, choose to have a SELECTIVE MIND. they keep on repeating that SC and LRC where different countries in 1960. may be it is true(i personally believe they were one country under different occupations). But our history doesn't start in the mid 1900s (when Kamerun was divided) why not go back to the late 1800s when the german created the INITIAL KAMERUN which include ALL the current cameroon and more. why start your history from the time we were seperated? before we were divided, we were ONE and that is when i Choose to start History. it is like if things go bad in Germany in 20 years, east german will now claim they are a different country from west Germany. it is absurd! they were one before being divided.
thinks are not good now but CUT and RUN (COUPE DECALE) is not the solution.

We should work things togheter.let unite our forces and nothing will stop us from achieving the promised land foreseen by our forefathers.

Andre Fokam

Charles Forkwa

You do not have to reside in Cameroon in order to fight for change. You do not have to be an Anglophone in order to advocate against injustice. And you do not have to belong to a political party in order to voice your opinion.
Most movements never begin life as political parties; they are just that, movement for change. A movement may assume other forms as it progresses.
I do not belong to any political party. I think the various parties believe they are making progress. However, they have all been ineffective so far in bringing any meaningful change to the plight of Southern Cameroon (SC). Maybe that will change, we will see.
My take is that peace and dialogue has been pursued since the abolition of the West Cameroon House of Assembly some thirty years ago to form a forced union. What we have witnessed since is a concerted effort to obliterate all that identifies and is significant to SC. A Francophone is quick to speak of peace and unity, at whose expense? Would he or she want that which makes them Francophone or erased? I don’t think so!
The problem in Cameroon is not Anglophone against Francophone. The problem is a series of administrations (two) that have manipulated the constitution, ignored the needs of its citizens, suppressed dissent and promoted a climate of corruption and pilferage.
Let the peace advocate tell me what has been accomplished so far! I want facts. Don’t give that multi-party democracy bit. We all know it has been a charade. Let’s settle this once and for all by asking those of SC origin to vote for either a continued union with LRC or revert to being a separate entity – by the way this is the vote that should have taken place in 1970. If the majority opts to continue the union, I can live with that.
Mind you – don’t rig the votes!

Ndiks

Click read dam..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cameroon

Willie

Andre Fonkam Says “they keep on repeating that SC and LRC where different countries in 1960. may be it is true(i personally believe they were one country under different occupations). But our history doesn't start in the mid 1900s (when Kamerun was divided) why not go back to the late 1800s when the german created the INITIAL KAMERUN”
Why 1800s? Was that when our history started? I thought you would have gone as far back as the creation of mankind.
To answer your question, because of strong cultural differences, the legality of unification and 44 years of such unity is tantamount to mixing a polar and non polar solution. (e.g Petrochemicals and water) concrete examples are the former Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia.
The history of Russia begins with that of the East Slavs, the ethnic group that eventually split into the Russians, Ukrainians, and Belarusians. The first East Slavic state, Kievan Rus', adopted Christianity from the Byzantine Empire in 988, beginning the synthesis of Byzantine and Slavic cultures that defined Russian culture for the next seven centuries. On December 29, 1922 the RSFSR, the Transcaucasian Socialist Federated Soviet Republic, and the Byelorussian and Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republics signed a Treaty of Creation of the USSR forming the Soviet Union by a conference of the representatives, which was confirmed on December 30, 1922 by the 1st Congress of Soviets of the USSR. On February 7 1990 the USSR's constituent republics began to assert their national sovereignty over Moscow. Gorbachev made desperate and ill-fated attempts to assert control and that followed the colaps of the soviet union and proclamation of independence by various states. History tells us this was once one nation.


Ma Mary

Mr. Riccardo, it would be more helpful if you could look at these documents below and inform yourself, then we could talk. Most of these are well researched and have been accepted by international and national courts. They are not say so, conjecture or strictly based on someone's opinion. You spend a lot of time corresponding on this matter from a free highspeed internet connection somewhere in Texas, so I am sure you can download and read these. Then we can talk. You are evidently well schooled in English, so you should have no problem understanding. That makes you an anglophone, not necessarily a Southern Cameroonian, because Southern Cameroonian is a territorial category not a language. My mother in the village is a Southern Cameroonian, not an anglophone, because she cannot speak English. Confusion in these terms only serve to confuse people who are uninformed.

You have asked some other perceptive questions, some of which I shall touch. Ambazonia & Southern CameroonsThere are at least four different liberation groups trying to free Southern Cameroons. They only differ in approach and philosophy and not in intent. One of those, the Ambazonia Republic insists that a name change from Southern Cameroons is important, and the others think we should wait. "Ambazonia" and "The Southern Cameroons" all refer to the same "Former United Nations Territory of the Southern Cameroons Under UK Administration".

Who is your leader? We are not busy projecting particular leaders or trying to create a cult of personality. It is not an important question. One of the lessons that we learned from history is that when you project persons, the oppressor would try to decapitate the movement by destroying the sole leader. We are more interested in building institutions that will work whether there is a leader or not. You are Bamileke, you should understand that. Your movement was very vulnerable to the French because of that. If you look at some of the documents that are attached, you would see names of leaders on them. The moment la Republique du Cameroun is ready to talk, not to worry we can get the leaders and experts to talk to them at a moment's notice.

Do any francophones support you? Yes, there are francophones or La Republique citizens who understand what we are about, because they have educated themselves well about the issues. One of these was the late Alexandre Biyidi-Awala aka Mongo Beti. He was not a Southern Cameroons activist but would have had no problem with what we needed to do to free ourselves. In general, francophones are locked into the unitarist logic, which we believe is flawed, and do not actually listen, but we really do not need their permission to seek freedom, do we? Francophones is a different category than Southern Cameroonians whose parents or grandparents came from former French Cameroons during colonial times. These individuals are by rights Southern Cameroonians, although many of them have been taken over by tribal sentiments to support the colonization of Southern Cameroons. But there are many many of these who are strong supporters of the independence of Southern Cameroons.

1) Southern Cameroons Constitution Order in Council of 1960

2) A narrative on the colonization of the Southern Cameroons

3) Proceedings from SCAPO vs. Federal Republic of Nigeria: Filled with independently-verifiable facts that you can cross check for yourself if you have the time.

4)EXPLANATORY MAP

Ma Mary

Mr Fokam, thank you for noting that I have grown more mature since the last time I was here. I would also ask you to grow by educating yourself properly on the facts. I have posted some items above. Refute the facts if you must with facts or logic, but please stop talking about unity, unless you address the FACTS which are really about our case for not staying with YOUR COUNTRY in the same union. Emotional appeal to the allure of union does not work anymore. Please, note that I am old enough to have lived in the Southern Cameroons as a self-governing territory under the UK. I also lived in West Cameroon when it was part of the Federal Republic and I have lived there in more recent days. I have also lived in Republique du Cameroun. There has been a serious deterioration at all levels. That is well documented in the court papers. I have been witness to these things. They are true. It does your case no good when you disregard the facts and try to preach to me the same stale propaganda that Ahidjo used when he was killing your people in the 1960s. I am familiar with that propaganda. It is stale. It has no appeal and is a non starter, if you wish to have dialogue.

Riccardo

Ma Mary,

Thank you for selectively answer my questions. At least you did not use insults and anger as your GANG usually do.
May I kindly ask?
Are you the Spokesperson for your Organization?
You said: You are evidently well schooled in English, so you should have no problem understanding. That makes you an anglophone, not necessarily a Southern Cameroonian, because Southern Cameroonian is a territorial category not a language.
Does that conclude that a Southern Cameroonian must speak only English?

You said: Yes, there are francophones or La Republique citizens who understand what we are about, because they have educated themselves well about the issues. One of these was the late Alexandre Biyidi-Awala aka Mongo Beti. He was not a Southern Cameroons activist but would have had no problem with what we needed to do to free ourselves.

You use "WOULD HAVE" Demagogy and Lie #1
Mongo Beti was a True Son of Cameroon who fought for a Democratic Society in Cameroon. Do you remember Um NYOBE, Ernest OUANDJIE, MAYI MATIP ???? They would have shed their blood to keep Cameroon United if they were still alive.
I hope you apologize for misleading people. Demagogy and Lie #2
You said: We are more interested in building institutions that will work whether there is a leader or not. You are Bamileke, you should understand that. Apparently you have 3 or 4 Factions in your Gang. Don't you think there will be blood shed when the time comes to distribute your dream positions as King and Queen of your Dreamed Empire ? An Organization without Leadership shows that there is no coordination or harmonization of their policies. That explains why your Gang Members are verbally abusive and tend to have very undemocratic tendencies of adressing people on this Forum.
What makes you define me as a Bamileke? It confirms that your Gang is enslaved in the ideas that your Tribe will do better without another Tribe Theory.
Where ever you come from in Cameroon, I am sure that your people are living in poverty and despair. What have you done so far to help them get out of poverty except of chanting AMBAZONIA OR SOUTH CAMEROON WILL BE FREE?
Thank you for your documents used for your propaganda. Why should the Nigerians call that part of Cameroon Southern Cameroon instead of Nigeria at that time? The Bristish knew they enslaved Cameroonians that is why the name was kept Southern Cameroon.
Reading your what your Gang writes, I have come to believe that you all live in the past.
Come on, we are in 2005.
Your Gang wants Cameroun to live in the past while we Progressive Forces of Cameroon are thinking, working, building for the Future.
Wake up and smell the roses....
When you talk about dividing a Country is serious business... Think about the impact it will have on the poor people in Cameroon.
You Guys who have never been able to help develop any thing in your village, will calling your village southern Cameroon help you to do it now?
I seriously doubt it.
It is time for you to go back home and start helping your people get out of poverty.
BE REAL, LOOK AT YOUR AGE SERIOUSLY....
DON'T YOU MISS YOUR VILLAGE AND YOUR PEOPLE?
I urge all So called Southern Cameroon to join us in making Cameroon a Democratic society.
STOP LIVING IN THE PAST....

May God Bless a Democratic Cameroun-Cameroon.
Respectfully,

Riccardo



Riccardo

Brother Charles,

It is very convenient to live abroad and chant VIVA AMBAZONIA OR SNCF OR WHATEVER YOU CALL IT.
Some of your comments are very thoughtful and you think very progressively.
Why don't you join us to help build a democratic society in Cameroon?
You will impact people's life in Cameroon.
That is what counts.
Democracy is on the move in Cameroon.
Let's build the future than living on the past as most Fanatics are doing now.

Thank you,
Riccardo.

Charles Forkwa

I have lived in Southern Cameroon, West Cameroon, Cameroon, Cameroun etc., and lived the histories of those times. I have the right to live where I wish and still comment about the territory.
Any suggestions that Cameroon is moving towards the right direction should support with facts not willfull diversions. Otherwise it is a waste of your time to suport something you cannot defend.
Keep at it.

Janvier Tchouteu

Check this out

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Kamerun_Karte_1912.jpg

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Cameroon.html

Janvier Tchouteu

Check this out

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Kamerun_Karte_1912.jpg

http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Cameroon.html

epie

Hi,
The solution to what is going on in Cameroon is to have 10 Federal states.Each province should become a federal state. Each state takes care of it resources and government, just like in U.S.A ,Nigeria etc.
If we divide Cameroon, i think we may want another division between N/w and S/W or two federated state. I come from Kumba southwest. Let the landlord controle his resources.

Riccardo

Thank you brother Janvier from Germany.

To all So called Southern Cameroonians

PLEASE LOOK AT THE MAP OF CAMEROON DURING THE GERMAN COLONIAL TIME.....
TYPE THIS LINK SEND BY A TRUE PATRIOT AND
PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIAN FROM GERMANY..

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Kamerun_Karte_1912.jpg

ARE YOU CONVINCED THAT CAMEROON WAS ONE COUNTRY?

NOW YOU CAN BE QUIET.
THAT IS PROOF THAT YOU WILL NEVER DENY.

VIVE LE CAMEROUN UNIE ET DEMOCRATIQUE..
VIVE LA DEMOCRATIE!

Riccardo

Thank you brother Janvier from Germany.

To all So called Southern Cameroonians

PLEASE LOOK AT THE MAP OF CAMEROON DURING THE GERMAN COLONIAL TIME.....
TYPE THIS LINK SEND BY A TRUE PATRIOT AND
PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIAN FROM GERMANY..

http://www.deutsche-schutzgebiete.de/webpages/Kamerun_Karte_1912.jpg

ARE YOU CONVINCED THAT CAMEROON WAS ONE COUNTRY?

NOW YOU CAN BE QUIET.
THAT IS PROOF THAT YOU WILL NEVER DENY.

VIVE LE CAMEROUN UNIE ET DEMOCRATIQUE..
VIVE LA DEMOCRATIE!

RICCARDO

dango tumma

ricardo, please email me at eb3p@aol.com
if you really think, you have a point.
than the overwhelming majority that opposes
your postulates, that have neither historical nor intellectual acumen, regarding not onlt THE POST newspaper as
a fore front anglophone international
news magazine based in the capital of the
federal democratic republic of southern cameroons ( AMBAZONIA) but also the anglophones nations that thrive to share
their feelings and thought in their family forum and a nuissant is outsides
hammering at the door. atleast i want to
open the door and lets all see , who this
coward is, AFTER YOU EMAIL ME, ALVARO
GIVE ME YOUR FULL NAME AND DATE OF BIRTH,
AND TELEPHONE NUMBER.
ALLOW 48 HOURS FOR NE TO REPLY,
IT MIGHT BE POSSIBLE FOR US MEETING IN HOUSTON AT 9400 WEST LOOP SOUTH,
AND HAVING A CUP OF COFFEE TOGETHER,
RICARDO ALVARIO, YOU KNOW SOME TIME, YOU HAVE TO DINE WITH YOUR ENEMY, THATS HOW YOU KNOW HIM BETTER, YOU ARE OUR ENEMY, THATS WHY I AM WANTING TO MEET YOU.
DONT BE AFRAID, I AM NOT GOING TO HARM YOU, EXCEPT WHEN YOU SAY OR DO ANY THING FOOLISH. SOO, GO AHEAD AND WRITE TO ME ASAP
I AM IN DOWN TOWN, MANHATTAN, NEW YORK
STATE. LIVING HERE AS MY PERMANAT HOME FOR 27 YRS, BORN AND BREADTH ANGLOPHONE, FROM
SOUTHERN CAMEROONS FEDERAL.

Janvier Tchouteu

Check out linnks

http://www.bartleby.com/67/2555.html

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/centrafrica/haxkamerun.html

Riccardo

Dango Tumma,

You will be the last person I could be afraid of in the United States of America.
I could call you Stupid Frustrated and hateful person but I am not going to.
Did you see the map of Cameroon during the German Colonial time?'
What does that show you my friend?
Now can you Guys stop your stupidity?
AMBAZONIA THIS ... SOUTHERN CAMEROON THAT...
Your Organization should find something else to do... Go to Cameroon and help develop your villages...
You do not have to be called KING and QUEEN to do so... I have done it and you could too..
Can we meet in Atlanta (GA) at Martin Luther King's Birthplace? You choose the date and the time...
The ball is in your camp...
Hope to meeting with you soon.
Please advise.

Thanks,
Riccardo.

Riccardo

Dango Tumma,

You will be the last person I could be afraid of in the United States of America.
I could call you Stupid Frustrated and hateful person but I am not going to.
Did you see the map of Cameroon during the German Colonial time?'
What does that show you my friend?
Now can you Guys stop your stupidity?
AMBAZONIA THIS ... SOUTHERN CAMEROON THAT...
Your Organization should find something else to do... Go to Cameroon and help develop your villages...
You do not have to be called KING and QUEEN to do so... I have done it and you could too..
Can we meet in Atlanta (GA) at Martin Luther King's Birthplace? You choose the date and the time...
The ball is in your camp...
Hope to meeting with you soon.
Please advise.

Thanks,
Riccardo.

Ma Mary

People, it is best that you take your rendezvous off the air and communicate with each other in person.

Thank you for the German maps. They are historically interesting, but not really relevant to the question at hand. I shall once again post the following from Professor Anyangwe that explains our position better than I could:

Professor Carlson Anyangwe gave the following response to an argument similar to Simomia's recently:

Historical facts:

1. 'Kamerun' (the German rendition of the Portuguese
'rio dos cameroes', or 'rivers of prawns' in English)
was initially a localised name that referred to the
River Wouri mudflat area. Only later was that
appellation used to refer also to the hinterland of
that area.

2. German 'Kamerun' was proclaimed in 1884 following
a so-called treaty signed with Duala chiefs only.
These chiefs could not have handed over to Germany
sovereignty over territory which was not theirs. A
person cannot give what he/she does not have. The
acquisition of territory outside the Duala environs
was by 'discovery' and 'conquest', which according to
the international law of the time were valid methods
of territorial acquisition. Up to the eve of the First
World War Germany was still struggling to acquire
territory and establish effective control over vast
hinterland areas. That is why the territorially
grounded treaties defining German Kamerun were between
1910 and 1913. Until then the swathe of territory
Germany lay claim to under the hinterland theory
remained unacceptable to the other colonial Powers, in
terms of the provisions of the Berlin African
Conference 1884/85, until effective occupation was
established and attested by treaty.

3. In 1884 when German acquired the Duala mudflat area
and considered its hinterland a German sphere of
influence, the area which later became known as the
Southern Cameroons was not part of that territory. It
was still a British possession in virtue of the
British tiny colony of Victoria with its hinterland a
British sphere of influence. It was only in late 1888
that Victoria was transferred to Germany and in 1889
the Germans began the difficult task of trying to
conquer the hinterland areas and effectively occupy
them, a process that lasted another ten years or so as
attested by Zintgraff's expeditions. This same area
that was transferred to Germany in 1888 was the first
to be liberated by the British in 1914 when WWI broke
out. Meanwhile, it was not until 1916 that the area
that was Germany's initial territory (what became
French Cameroun/Republique du Cameroun)was liberated
from the Germans. Thus, while German rule over the
area later known as the Southern Cameroons lasted a
mere 25 years, rule over the area later known as
French Cameroun/Republique du Cameroun lasted 32
years.

4. In colonial lexicon and in strict municipal and
international legal terms, there is a difference
between a 'colony', a 'protectorate' and a 'mandated
or trust territory'. It is unnecessary here to go into
the legal distinction between these concepts. Suffice
to say that at no time did the Germans claim to have
established a 'Kamerun Kolonie'. The Germans
proclaimed the "Schutzgebiet von Kamerun", that is to
say, the 'Kamerun Protectorate'. In common usage and
in ordinary parlance people often speak of colonies,
using that term as a generic word, without attention
to legal refinements. Still, whether a territory is
denoted as a colony, protectorate, a mandated
territory, or a trust territory, the fact remains that
it is a dependent territory.

5. The argument that if Germany had not been defeated
in World War I the inhabitants of erstwhile German
Kamerun would today be speaking German, is neither
here nor there. That sort of 'if' argument would take
us back to Adam and Eve causation. Let me illustrate
my point with an example within the subject of
Kamerun. The argument could equally be made that if
the British had accepted the entreaties of the Duala
chiefs that Britain should take over their territory
then the inhabitants of this area at the armpit of
Africa would today all be speaking English! Anf if the
Portuguese would coined the 'cameroes' name had taken
over the area its inhabitants would today be speaking
Portuguese! One could even push the 'if' argument even
further: if the white colonialists had not colonised
our several polities these polities would today have
been free from the taint of colonial legacy and
continued to exist as sovereign nations and subjects
of international law.

ca

Riccardo

Ma Mary,

Again this another point that you selectively choose all your FACTS.
This is a fact that Mr Andre and I have been saying that CAMEROON WAS ONE COUNTRY UNDER THE GERMAN COLONIAL TIME.
HELL IT IS RELEVANT!
THERE WAS NO SOUTHERN KAMERUN AND EASTERN KAMERUN AS YOU CLAIM.
PEOPLE DON'T BE FOOLED BY THESE GANGS!

GO ON THIS LINK SENT BY A PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIAN FROM GERMANY: IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED BY THE GERMANS.

http://www.zum.de/whkmla/histatlas/centrafrica/haxkamerun.html

NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?

May God Bless you,

Riccardo.

Janvier Tchouteu

Well Ma Mary,

Nothing is historically irrelevant on a case that is based on history like the one you are trying to make. If irrelevance has to be taken into the picture, then one shall be considered as having a memory that is historically selective. In that case, such a memory is flawed.

I respect Prof Ayangwe, but suffice to know that his strength is in the field of law and not history. Notwithstanding, so many Kamerunians suffer from incomprehension when it comes to our history.

In my 1988 article "Can our history be rewritten", I talked of that incomprehension as the legacy of brainwashing that is the curse of the Ahidjo-Biya legacy and the evil imposed Gaullist system of their French masters.

I do acknowledge the deceptive ways of the system and the fact that the Francophile dominated minority system marginalized English speaking Kamerunians the most(amongst whom I have been a sufferer), and that in creating a monolithic kamerun, the hopes of the vast majority Kamerunians(English and French speaking) of ever having an open and progressive nation was dashed.

But as a nationalist of the union character who cherishes the outstanding legacy of close to a million martyred Kamerunians who died fighting a better kamerun and another more than half a million who voted who made reunification a reality with their votes and engaged in the path of that better kamerun; I know that in the end, the kamerunian soul shall prevail and the goals of reunification and a better society will be realized, setting the standard for the future Africa. That is the future.

While the words to detractors to that future kamerun has been;
"Do not try to stop us in the march to that future with cowardly actions and futile options through disgusting words of conciliation or quit, because we have the right to fight not only the evil system that is preventing us to that future, but also those who are dragging us away from it and blinding us from its path........."

I can also add that a time might come when the dividing actions of the anti-nationalists would be regarded as a treachery to the cause to realize the new kamerun, that is close to the treason of the evil system in power.

Janvier Tchouteu

Ma Mary,
I also recall my reply to the above posting when it was first made on December 02, 2005. It was thus:

Beautiful historical facts Ma Mary.

However, historical facts taken out of context distort historical realities. From the points made, an open mind can point out these ambiguities.

1) All or most of the appellations of historical or geopolitical entities had a limited reference that spread over time. Examples are the USA that began as thirteen colonies, Kieven Rus or Kieven Russia that began in Europe and spread to Asia (Siberia), as well as dozens of nations today. What is important is that the broad application of the name was accepted internationally as legal. In the case of our beloved land, it began as a Portuguese concept of a river in the 1500s. Even when the Germans got hold of the land as a possession agreed in the 1884 Berlin conference on the partition of Africa and carved it out through explorations and expeditions, it wasn't until 1901 that they called "it kamerun". Before that, it was referred to as the German Crown land of North-West Africa (Namibia was German South West Africa). That 1901 territory is our present day country, and the territory that became British Northern Cameroons that was lost to Nigeria. The capital was Buea from 1884-1914, then Douala from 1914 to…... In 1922, the French moved the capital of French kameruns from Douala to Yaoundé.

2) Territorial treaties you mentioned during 1910-1913 were meant to clearly demarcate borders that were not clearly spelt out by the road map for designated territories from the Berlin conference of 1884. Those treaties were peace-time or peaceful gestures, except the case where France was forced to cede territories in Central Africa to German Kamerun as compensation for German acceptance of effective French control of the kingdom of Morocco following the Agadir crisis that almost led to open war in 1911.That is why internationally they never considered part of kamerun and reverted to French Central African control.

3 Your assertion that what became British southern kameruns was not part of the German overseas territory is false. Buea became the capital in 1884. Zingraff’s 1889-1992 expeditions in the Graffiland and the Benue were to assert German control over charted territories. Victoria was never a British colony, because it never attained such an internationally recognized status. Instead it was settled by British Baptist missionaries 1858 and also used as a base (just like Guantanamo bay is Cuban land but a leased USA base) to intercept slave ships in the same manner as Fernando Po (Malabo), Free Town etc. That status was upgraded to become British Ambas Bay that became an administrative part of kamerun after slavery had been effectively abolished by all the occidental powers and Brazil. Fernando Po (Malabo) went to Spanish Guinea(Equatorial Guinea) and Freetown became administratively a part of what is today Sierra Leone. That is why there are many descendants of freed slaves in these cities.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_Saker.

4) German usage of protectorate is a fact. As a nation born in 1871, they had no previous experience in that matter of colony (literally as a settlement of an ethnic group in a new land that was later given an international and legal connotation) which was foreign in the German language.

Dr A A Agbormbai

That German map is interesting. It clearly shows that Cameroon was one country and that all the confusion and divisions began with the coming of the French and the English. Surely the SCNC cannot use this line of argument or it will always lose!

Ma Mary

This romantic vision of Kamerun must claim parts of Congo, Gabon Nigeria and Central African Republic in order to be true. So when do you start fighting these countries to retrieve these territories? Fact is that our terms of reference are the two United Nations Trust Territories, NOT the romantic German Kamerun from the brutal German occupation. To make la Republiqe du Cameroun, successor of German Kamerun is an absurd innovation. If Southern Cameroons had adopted the same pretensions and proceeded on an expansionist course, you guys would have been the ones complaining and rightfully so.

The German map is just a historical artifact, interesting but just an artifact.

Dr. Louis Mbua

Dr. Agbormbai,

While the SCNC has the mandate to fight for SC liberation, the owner of the country is SC people and not German Kamerun. German Kamerun never took part in any plebiscite. Similarly, French Cameroons never took part in the plebiscite. Our fathers never voted for evil to befall us from a brutal and autocratic The Republic of Cameroon. They voted for good purposes and with good intentions. As our fathers chose, freely, to join the LRC, so do we have the right to leave if we are badly treated as has happened. This is common sense. No group of people have ever voted themselves into self-destruction and suffering.

It is about self-determination of SCians and not some old German colony which broke up after less than 25 years in existence in terms of SC as Prof. Anyangwe has proved.

Besides, your argument is flawed because you disregard the League of Nations Mantdate, The Treaty of Versailles, The UN Trusteeship Council, The Yalta Treaty and the UN Charter that caters for a right to self- etermination for SC as a Mandated Territory and then a UN Trust Territory.

LRC has NO legal claims of SC.

kabuin

: Dr A A Agbormbai,
you vomit and get back to it.

Ma Mary

I'll be away for the next few days doing my personal work while relentlessly chipping away at the rotted links between LRC and SC. LRC cannot possibly be the successor state to German Kamerun. It is just an academic exercise. I wonder why some people are so exercised about saving the failed state. SCians struggled, bending over backwards to make the union work. LRCese never noticed. They took it for granted. We were anglofous and enemis dans la maison. Now, we've had it. Too late. The train has left the station and all cries of STOP are futile. Your choice is to have an amicable divorce or an acrimonious divorce. An amicable divorce would enable us to maintain commercial links, smooth customs and border formalities (much easier than the road harrassment we get from your occupation police today)so that you entrepreneurial types could have businesses in Douala and Victoria if you want to. An acrimonious divorce would mean sealed borders and hostility for some time. Prolongation of this matter would eventually grind the economies of both countries to a halt. The best thing that you folks (LRCese) can do is to press your government and your colonial master (France) to negotiate an amicable separation. Best for everyone's interests.

Riccardo

CAMEROON WILL NEVER BE DIVIDED AND IT SHALL REMAIN WHAT IT IS...

THOSE WHO WANT TO DIVIDE CAMEROON ARE EVEN WORST THAN THE CURRENT CORRUPT SYSTEM.

THESE TRAITORS ARE CONIVING WITH NIGERIA TO STEAL OUR BAKASSI.
WE SHALL PREVAIL!

LONG LIVE A DEMOCRATIC AND MODERN CAMEROON!


THANKS,
RICCARDO.

Dr A A Agbormbai

Dr Mbua and co.,

I still think that you should avoid the historical argument or it will cause you a lot of problems.

Riccardo


Ma Mary,

Bonnes Vacances! You really need to take a break from all your stressful and frustrated life. I hope you relax and reflect wherever you will go.

You could do a lot to help your poor people in your village. Be realistic...
Engage in some business that will create wealth in your village.

That is the only way you will impact their lives than chanting and sparaying the messages of hate and division.

YOU DO NOT WANT TO BE LEFT OUT IN THE PROCESS OF TRANSFORMING OUR COUNTRY INTO A MODERN AND DEMOCRATIC SOCIETY.

WE ARE THE FORCES OF DEMOCRACY, PEACE AND JUSTICE...
WE ARE PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIANS...WHO HAVE A CLEAR VISION OF WHAT CAMEROON WILL LOOK LIKE WHEN OUR MISSION WILL BE ACCOMPLISHED...

So called Southern Cameroonians or Ambazonians STOP DREAMING...

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST....

EMBRACE THE FUTURE....

CAMEROON IS INDIVISIBLE UNDER GOD!

May God Bless you people,

Riccardo

Charles Forkwa

Maps and history are all relevant.
We have to choose a point in time when the territory assumed the right to self-determination and that was the plebisites of 1960-61 and the subsequent ten year trial union with La Republique at the end of which there should have been another balotting either for continued union or separte entityship. That is the point of reference.
Prior to that time the Kamerun, Cameroun or Cameroon -- however you choose to refer to the territoy -- peoples did not and could not have a say in thier future.
These are thae facts.

Dr. Louis Mbua

Dr. Agbormbai,

It is about the application of international Law. You need history for that. Bakassi's location in SC is due to History; and is/was acknowledged in the ICJ in the Hague. Besides, Why would you believe in German Kamerun and not believe in the UN Trusteeship? All are historically entrenched. Please, use the right judgement.

Southern Cameroons was the only self-governing UN territory that has been allowed to be cheated by LRC/France on grounds that we had no army and that we had independence after them. I would assure you that had SC had an army in 1961/1972 there still might have been an on-going war in the gulf to this day; so that international law could be implememted against a marauding gang of barbaric forces from the East of the Mungo.

So, please spare us this Grand Kamerun when our people are being treated like slaves; their land seized from them to be sold to people from the East and Frenchmen while their resources is being pillaged by France and LRC to develop their own countries while places like Manyu etc in SC. are regions cut off from the world -- no roads, airports, riverports, railways; and more backwards than pre-1940s before WWII.

Ndiks

Mr Janvier says..
That status was upgraded to become British Ambas Bay that became an administrative part of kamerun after slavery had been effectively abolished by all the occidental powers and Brazil.
Ambazonia was known as Ambas bay colony from 1843-1884. From Ambas bay you have Ambas,the coastal fields,then zone,you have the grassfield or hinterlands,hence AMBAZONIA. From Arid Zone, you have Arizona an example.
Kamerun was not a country and did not practice any sense of nationhood.Germany occupied and gave a name to this territory for her convinience just to stop any of her friends colonialist to temper with her colonial turf.Mr Janvier has been ask here several times if he has started talk with with Chad,CAR,Gabon et al to retain back parts of German kamerun to fulfil his ultra-mundane dream with no reply.Your LRC was not a country until France choose to carve what you now call LRC and granted you independence on JAN 1st 1960.Why don't you get yourselves a better name for your country.You are so proud of a name given to you by colonialist.PIFFLE! Ambazonians could proove to you that they know what invention ,innovation means by getting a distinct ID for themselves.Ambazonians are not dogs for someone to be giving them name.Those your maps are nothing knew and thus insignificant.Your LRC has sleepless night on what they would tell you tommorrow for telling lies,you are here writing cameroun one and indivisible NONSENSE.Keep your Njanga républque and allow Ambazonians to keep their Ambazonia.All your writings here wouldn't help a thing.Your country LRC is guilty of Annexation and continues agression
on Ambazonia,punishable under International law.What will Janvier,Prince Ricardo of Texas,Henriette, et al do IF AMBAZONIA IS RESTORED?Or you maitain your Ahidjo Clause of one and indivisible Cameroun?You are just visceral as far as Ambazonia restoration is concerned.Even your gov't officials don't impugn facts the way you do here.Peterpan!

Ndiks

Click the links :

http://de.indymedia.org/2002/07/25853.shtml

Ndiks

THE WAR ON ANNEXATION AND COLONIALISM (BLACK ON BLACK) WAGES ON UNDETERRED;
VICTIM:AMBAZONIA-CULPRIT:LA RÉPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN.

Henriette

Cameroon, O Bosso eh, Cameroon Nya ndolo!

God Bless Cameroon <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3


Janvier Tchouteu

It is often echoed that Latin (more South America’s) two greatest sons are Simon Bolivar and Che Guevara. They both had visions that involved bringing the South American people together.

Simon Bolivar liberated "his people" from Spanish colonialists, but died a sad man because the "confused and one-sided" stirred blinding sentiments of hate, division and caused the division of the people into Venezuela, Columbia, Peru, Ecuador, Bolivia and Panama, creating a virus of antagonism and chaos that haunted those lands for more than two centuries. Today, South Americans are striving for a union and realize the dreams of Simon Bolivar.

The Argentine Che Guevara is revered worldwide (very popular in Europe and even fought for Congolese nationalists in the 1960s) as a genuine revolutionary with an honest soul for the people and sought the liberation of Latin America from American-backed authoritarian regimes, but he was betrayed and killed in Bolivia. Today, his legacy is igniting change in the continent.

Therefore, one thing for sure is that the peoples of kamerun whether divided or together will eventually work together to have a better future drawing from the dreams of the legends who tried to mitigate the negative legacies of partition. The dividers and the system in power will eventually fade away. They are the curse to the noble kamerunian soul.

Metuge Ekane

Agbormbai,
i wonder why you always have that burning urge to pose as an umpire.You are pertually keen in acknowledging points given by some,and then disregard others views as somewhat redundant whenever such views go contrary to your convictions.This is not worthy of intellectual endeavour.
I'd like to let you know that you not only are recurrently deficient of objectivity,but you have not always been able to furnish people with plausible options whenever you contrast the views of others.Moreover,with no disrespect for your badge,i am surprised by your apparent lack of pedagogic conviction.There is such a sorrowful absurdity in your getting conned by a map into thinking that the SCNC's case has no historical foundation!How can you simply focus on a MAP when you are talking about an historical argument?Have you ever questioned the source of such a vague sketch?I mean,i could illustrate to you a billion times why the SCNC's case is solid,without even having to include any such thing as a map.
I'll get back you you.

Eya

Please Ma Mary et al,just stop wasting your precious time explaining things to Riccado,he is just out for provokation.By the way, he is using a free internet,if he had to pay a franc he would have been long gone.

Riccado,the best answer to you is ....to hell with your useless,good-for-nothing questions.Join your co and create a chatting site to entertain yourselves.

Yam heads,just stop disturbing my fellow SCians.
Long live Southern Cameroon

Riccardo

Ndicks and Co,

For how long have you Guys been dreaming?

Keep dreaming....

Our dream is like Martin Luther's King Dream.....
Your dream is like the KKK (Ku Klux Klan) dream......

You tell which one came to reality?

God Bless a United, Democratic Cameroon!

Riccardo.

Riccardo

Eya,

It is impossible to control the internet...

Is your dream to have control over the internet too?

Is it an Ambazonian Invention too?
Do you want to claim ownership of the internet?

Sorry .... Another Dream......

You can not stop the Forces of Democracy in Cameroon.
You either join us or you people will be abandoned.....or you will live your life in isolation (as it is the case now).

God Bless you brother,

Riccardo

mukete

I strongly support the idea of Southern Cameroonians seeking separation from La Republique du Cameroun. My problem, however, is with the method and startegies some Southern Cameroonians want to use to archieve their goals.

As I have always repeated in this same forum, people do not beg for their rights to be given them. The rights are there and the people just need to take them - I do not care how. It shocks me to see those who call themselves leaders of the Southern Cameroon cause actually rejoicing and claing victory after been released from prison on bail by their very enemy.

Just imagine that someone enters into your house, take away your properties, lands, families, wives, children - just everything- and then put you into prison for resisting. Just imagine that you start rejoicing that you have been, afterall, released by your oppressor after you paid some cash as bail. Do Souther Cameroonians need to buy their freedom?

If Southern Cameroonians want to truly liberate themselves from the bondage they find themselves with La Republique du Cameroon, then they must be prepared to die for this liberation struggle. Nelson Mandela refused to be released from Jail under any conditions. For him, there was no need accepting any conditions or paying for bail because he strongly believed that there was no wrong in what he was fighting for. He did not accept been relaesed fron prison as if it was a gift from the racist White South African government. Mandela stayed in prison, and this acted as a strong catalyst in pushing his followers into advancing the liberation struggle.

It was not the South African government that decided to release Mandela from jail. The South African government had not other alternatives than surrendering to the general will of black South Africans. With Mandela in prison, these helpless blacks fought day and night. His detention was a motivation- a catalyst. Finally, Mandela only left prison to walk into the presidency of South Africa. Serving briefly as president, Mandela resigned and gave room for others to govern the country. This is clear indication that during the struggle, Mandela was prepared to die, if and only if his death would relieve his people from slavery.

I think we all understand why I feel sad and disturbed when I hear those who have abandoned the fight in Cameroon trying to prescibe strategies for the liberation of Southern Cameroon. If we truly want to liberate Southern Cameroon, then that liberation has to take place on the battle field. That field is here in Cameroon. We have to hold hands in the streets and walk across the fire in our territory.

The so called leader of the Youth wing of the Southern Cameroon movement, Ebenezer A, claimed victory after escaping from detention in Yaounde and seeking asylum in Nigeria. This was a sign of failure. Today, our Southern Cameroon leaders are using money to be released from jails set up by their very enemy. Not only that. We are rejoicing that they have been released.

The holy bible tells us that he who struggles to save his life, will, instead, loose it.

I want, therefore, to invite all those who are interested in the Southern Cameroon liberation struggle to join us here in Cameroon to fight. "Man does not live by bread alone", and so those who have abandoned the fight back home should not take the lack of opportunities or jobs in Cameroon as a reason for leaving outside. Who do they expect to "physically" fight for change here in Cameroon?

This simple question for those who have abandoned the battle front - Cameroon: Are you waiting for us to clear up the obstacles before you return home to fight for positions?

Please join us in this very critical moment in our liberation struggle. Those who tell us from abroad on what to do here in Cameroon labour in vain.

Mukete

Okoronkwo

Dear Ricardo,

Your are really a dreamer, as you said, like Martin Luther King, like the KKK.
I believe that you don't understand what you're talking about; that's why you continue to argue like a dreamer. Africans have to decide on thier faith and not count on big words like Democracy which is a cover word from the Whites.
Africa has always been democratic before democracy arrived. Just have a look in our traditionnal gouverning bodies.
Is the USA a democratic country. They want to show the world what democracy is? Why can thy not clean africa from their Dictators. We have in Africa people ruling a country for more than 38 Years and are brillantly reelected as President?(Omar Bongo)
Cameroon will be better if it is federated. Where EACH STADE will rule and grow following the mentallities of the people living in the area.
WE AFRICANS WILL GROW BETTER IF OUR COUNTRIES WORK WITH US AND NOT AGAINST US

Akem Ndumbe

Hey You Ricardo,
If you don't have anything to do in US, please come to cameroon and i will employ you. You are sleeping on the computer. I thought in US people are busy. Please come on..... i will give you a job.
NONSENSE!!

Charles Forkwa

The reason that the SCNC position and other separatist sentiments resonate and have generated such discourse is because there is unfinished business between Anglophone and Francophone Cameroon that must be attended to. We can all pretend that that business has been taken care of, or that we can move forward regardless of facts borne by sentiments expressed – that it does not matter, or ignore the facts that such business exists.
In my previous posting I gave the point of reference which has not been disputed. Let’s settle this debate once and for all. Have everyone of Anglophone origin (and don’t tell me they cannot be identified – that will be lame) to voice whether they wish to continue with this union or not – a mandate that should have taken place in 1970. It is that simple. Those that advocate a continuous union and claim that things will be better should have nothing to fear of the outcome. If the majority returns with a vote for continued union, I will accept that.
Barring this seemingly simple but essential exercise all the talk of unity and change is propaganda to buy time. The hope being that with time these sentiments will disappear and the facts will be lost in the annals of history.
However, it is empirical that facts and sentiments can be suppressed but not killed.

Riccardo

Brother Okoronkwo,

I just have a different opinion than you. I do know what I am talking about.
I completely agree that our Countries must work for the people.
Please read my comments I have posted at the beginning.
If Africans have been democratic before democracy came why do we still have the Cult of personality persisting in our African society?
This is my point:

Democracy is not about ONE PERSON...
It is about a Country to live in peace, the people choose their government, the rule of laws is respected, the government serve the people (not the people serve the government) as it is today in Africa.
You will agree with me that many African Countries have made progress in fostering the democratic values in their society.
It is the view of the Progressive Cameroonians (Africans) that this can be done only in peace and progressively not with violence and bloodbath as other people are advocating.

CUT AND RUN POLICY as the other people are advocating will only help the Colonial Masters to sell their arms in our Country.
Another UN Peace Force will be needed and we will all end up like CONGO, LIBERIA, SIERRA LEONE, COTE D'IVOIRE ETC....

We Cameroonians can not be fooled by these ambitious Cameroonians who are aiming for their life time position as (Ministers and Head of Government) but overlook the need of our poor people in our Country.

All Progressive Cameroonians will fight to defend our Country's territorial integrity if needs be.

We do not support and will never support any Corrupt Government including the Present Regime.

A Corrupt Regime is no good for Francophones and Anglophones. Many regions of Cameroon have been marginalized and we are working inside and outside Cameroon to stop it.

There are many Progressive Cameroonians working hard and doing something to change Cameroon into a Democratic Society.
It is working....

I know that you Guys have been living for too long outside the Country. You may need to get in touch with realities in our Country.
There about 200 Political Parties in Cameroon... Does that tell you something?

Our Country will change peacefully into a Modern Democratic Society not with hate and division as you Guys are advocating....

Long Live the Republic of Cameroon.
Long Live the Peacefull People of Cameroon..

Riccardo

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