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Monday, 12 December 2005

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Riccardo


People there is nothing here to be proven. Unless you want to debate for the sake of debating.
Cameroon did not start to exist when the British and the French came to colonize us.
Come on even an elementary student can understand that... You do not need to be a Brain surgeon to understand it.
Let's keep it simple people.

Debating is very good for accademical purposes but we should look and work together for the sake of a better Cameroon.
Let's not live in the past here.

Embrace the future with 99% of Cameroonians who want to live in a Democratic, Peaceful and prosperous Country.
After all, We are INDIVISIBLE... UNDER GOD

Riccardo

neba funiba

Riccardo, you have joined a handfull of others who respond to almost every article on this website based on subjective opinions and not on substantive facts. Instead of rushing to respond to every article take some time, develop an argument based on relevant facts. One argument you could take up and defend can be based on the following: Southern Cameroon was a possession of the British and East Cameroon was a possession of France.
(a) Who ruled its possession with utmost brutality? What is the evidence?

(b) Given the answer from 'a' was UPC fighting to free its people from the French or from the British?

(c) Why do you think your answer to the above is the ideal?


This "may" be a better approach because if for example, there is a debate about the political climate in Cameroon, say at the National Press Club in Washington, DC, and you are invited to speak, what experts and participants from all sorts of organizations want to hear are arguments based on facts and not opinions, whether you are an intellectual or not, whether you have a Ph.D. or not.

Yes, Cameroon did not begin and end with the criminal partition of 1916; however, it was that event that is the grounding for ethnolinguistic factionalization, tyranny of the majority, internal colonization, and thus the political imbroiglio that has consumed Cameroon. These are not opnions because of the following:
i) The bilingual culture of Cameroon is inherited from Britain and France

ii) The Francophones dominate the Anglophones in every aspect of the military, and the political economy (the Anglophones are totally marginalized).. What is in the Southwest to show as benefits from SONARA? (marginal political appointments?)

SCNC or no SCNC, it is very unrealistic to work together when there is a lack of comprehension of the issues that are at stake. Let's keep it real.

dango tumma

EGGHEAD ALVARO RICARDO, THE IMPLANTED FROANCOFOOL WONT GET IT, MR NEBA
HE IS NOT ALONE THATS THEIR CULTURE AND WORLDVIEW, WE MUST BOOT THIS BANDITS OUTTA OUR LAND OR END ARGUING ENDLESSLY WITH THE DEAF FOR CENTURIES.

Henriette

It's a well documented fact that Grassfields traders (Bamileke, Bamun) campaigned for reunification.

Henriette

donga tumma,

How many times do we have to remind you that civility is required in this forum? Will you ever learn!?


Henriette

Riccardo

Mr Neba and Dango,

I really do not see the facts you are presenting in your arguments.
You Guys seem to be glued on historical facts....
But let me give you onne fact amongst other facts that you seem to deny all the time...
The British and the French by colonizing and partitioning Kamerun for their interest did not mean to make 2 seperate Countries.
They divided our Land just for their selfish interest.
You want to use the colonial masters language to make it "Fact" that we are 2 distinct peoples... WRONG....
I agree that there some areas of our Country have been marginalized by Biya's corrupt government who by the way is now trying to correct the situation.
The people of that area is also to be blamed for not being economically actif. The people of that part of Cameroon have to do more than wait for the Government to create jobs... That is the main problem.
Most of those who are from that part of the country have never taken any action to lift their poor people out of poverty... They only believe that since SONARA exists they have a right to sit and wait for Political appointments... Again wrong...
So, blame yourself and Biya's government has some share of failing the people too.
I left Cameroon in 1972. I have been in many Countries in the World (I will not tell where because it is not important).
Up 'til today, I am privileged to travel all over the world again.
I have known many Cameroonians who live abroad for many years, who are only concerned about their job abroad and will never think of investing in their region.
Did the Biya's Government stop you from investing in your city too?
WE KNOW WE HAVE A PROBLEM IN CAMEROON. THOSE WHO ARE DISENCHANTED AND VERY FRUSTRATED ARE THE LAZY ONES...
WE CAMEROONIANS, HAVE BEEN HURT BY THE CORRUPT REGIME...
But your solution is a very dangerous one.

Those who want to divide Cameroon just want political appointments... They believe that Politics will make them rich.... Wrong...

Progressive Cameroonians will combat all those who want to use politics to get rich.
They are no different than these corrupt people in the Government today.

THE DIVISION OF CAMEROON BASED ON THE LANGUAGE IS JUST AN EXCUSE TO SUBMIT CAMEROONIANS TO ANOTHER DICTATORSHIP...

WE WILL NEVER ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN.

Let's keep it simple. I have been to many press conferences... You better believe it.
Successful Politicians are very simple people... They are not Historians either PHD Holders... We live in 2005 not in the middle age...
You could have a PHD and but live a miserable life... We do not want that to happen to you Guys.
Come, join us in working together to make Cameroon a Peaceful, Democratic and Modern Country in Africa.
You will impact the lives of the poor people in our Country.

May God bless you,

Riccardo


Neba Funiba

Riccardo:

I really dislike it when people express blatant ignorance. Do you understand what I meant by "SCNC or no SCNC"? You wander from the issue being discussed to how people are not investing back at home--generalizations, generalizations, how did you come to that conclusion? Do you have a register of every Cameroonian overseas and have monitored all of their activities back in Cameroon before arriving your conclusions? When people abroad send medications to their suffering relatives is that investing or not? When people abroad send school fees to their relatives is that investing or not? This is not my opinion--go to any Western Union in Cameroon and you will see long lines of people waiting to get money from one or two relatives abroad. Do you mean the Bakwerians should send the Bassas away from SONARA in order to benefit from SONARA? No, the Bakwerians are a civilized and oppressed people--they will never do that. Please, Riccardo, take some time off; I am begging you.

Willie

Riccardo,
You have the right to make your point. But your lengthy write-ups are void of much to get from like a few other folks in this forum. You tried clearing the dust in the air about your identity, but you have stirred the hot pepper soup pot by instigating a mutation of the dust to a mushroom of tar, black smoke by revealing that you left Cameroon in 1972. Continue your world tour and keep on living your eldorado life but stop whisking more entropy on this issue.

Ndiks

Ricardo of Texas may be having a lot of time to be pumping his piffle in this news site.He has not much to do.He keep recycling his rambles and tatademalion opinion that lacks any clear foresight.The whited sepulchre is confuse and desperate.He has a reason for his razzle-dazzle,best known to him.There is nix again to be prooven that he is a Camerounian who is hell-bent to assist his colonial Gov't to keep her claws on Ambazonia.No qualm.Ricardo should remain consistent with his position to support his Gov't stranglehold on Ambazonia and we will see how things end.Indite as much as you can counterpart Ricardo.

Riccardo


People,

Am I really irritating you Guys with my comments so much?
Who do you Guys think you are?
Please read your basic economic rules of investment.
Investing for the future. Investing to create real jobs.. Not for consumption.
Basic elementary rules of economic my so called (Intellectuals)who have no practical sense of life.
They TALK but MEAN NOTHING....
THEY WRITE AND TAKE NO CONCRETE ACTIONS TO HELP THEIR PEOPLE HOME....
SHAME ON YOU!
I HAVE RESPECT FOR PEOPLE WHO THINK ABOUT THE FUTURE,
NOT PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THE PAST...
WAKE UP.... SMELL THE ROSES... KEEP IT SIMPLE AND REAL.... YOU WILL NOT IMPRESS ANYONE USING SHAKESPEARE'S LANGUAGE..

KEEP IT SIMPLE AND BE REALISTIC..

See you back in the States in 2 weeks...
Ciao,

Riccardo

Charles Forkwa

Prior to colonisation, West Africa -- including Nigeria, Southern Cameroons and Cameroon -- was a collection of various kingdoms and chieftains. This fact is well documented.
The reference point is that point when Nigeria, Southern Cameroons and La Republique du Cameroon were presented with the opportunity to determine thier future and this is the plebisites of 1960-61. After colonisation and before the plebisites, there is no evidence that these territories could opt for self-determination in any form.
At plebisite it was not possible to revert to pre-colonial arrangeements for obvious reasons, colonialism had distroyed the rich institutions that had existed prior.
We were left with a confused mix of cultures -- sustained and borrowed.
Our only choice was to move forward and even then Southern Cameroon (Northwest and Southwest) chose a ten year trial relationship with La republique du Cameroon (LRC) at the end of which there would have been a ballot for continued union or separation. This ballot never took place because Ahidjo with his French advisers hastened their assimilation design.
Let's go back and cast that ballot. I can live with the results!

Henriette

Ha! Charles Forkwa,

Pinch yourself, wake up
and you will find out that Cameroon o bosso!

Henriette

dango tumma

THE TERM UNIFICATION IS WROUNG, BECAUSE
IT DIDNT APPEAR ON THE UN DOCUMENTS
THAT AHIDJO SIGNED, AND WAS INSTRUCTED AND HE AGREED TO THE TWO NATIONS OF EQUAL SEPERABLE STATUS IN 1961 IN NEW YORK
AFTER HE GOT HOME, HE DECIDED 911 YRS LATTER THE FEDERATION WAS OLD ENOUGH TO BE THROWN TO THE SEA, AND SWITH TO HIS
1972 COUP ,AND HE AND HIS FRENCH ADVISER
CALL IT RE UNIFICATION, AS IF THE TWO NATIONS WERE ONE TO START WITH/
IF THE WERE ONE, THE WHY TRE-UNIFYING,
WHY A FEDERAL CONSTITUTION? WHY A UN SPONSORED
PLEBISCITE, ALL PACK OFLIES BY SUCCESSIVE FRENCH ENGINEERED BLACK-COWARDS, WHO ARE ONLY GREEDY AND POWER HUNGRY FOR THEMSELVES AND THEIR TRIBES< AHIDJO, THE POST OFFICE CLERK, PAUL MBIYA, THE HALF EDUCATION LAWYER
APPIONTED BY AHIDJO.

THE STRUGGLE MUST CONTINUE ONLY SOUTHERN CAMEROONS FEDERAL IN SOUVEREIGN AGAIN
1961 TO 2005 IS NOT LONG ENOUGH FOR A NATION TO LOOSE ITS SOUVEREIGNTY AND BECAME A MERE PROVINCE FOR ANOTHER ONE,
A BLACK AFRICAN JUJU GOUVERNMENT FOR THAT SAKE. THEY WANT US TO BE THEIR PROVINCE FINE, THEY HAVE TO CONQUER US IN A WAR , THATS WHAT BIYA HAS SAID, AND WE ARE PREPARING. THIS IS A GOOD WAR FOR US, AND A BAD WAR FOR THEM.

Janvier Tchouteu

Riccardo,
From your write ups, you stand out as an impeccable union nationalist who rejects the evil system oppressing us, as someone who is striving for the future new kamerun that would be an embodiment of liberty, democracy, freedom, progress, unity, peace and advancement. However, sometimes while trying to defend the unity of kamerun; it is easy to fall into the trap where one finds himself unconsciously propping up the Biya regime and system. I think you fell into that trap of appearing to exonerate the system and its regimes by minimizing the marginalization of the people in the different regions of kamerun. The system bears far more of the responsibility for the people's underdevelopment, and not the other way around.

That some people survive better than others while under oppression does not mean that the peoples were not oppressed and that the system should not be faulted for being anti-people. Every people deserve an entitlement to the resources around them, as is the norm in any civilized nation. The fact that the most oppressed people in the history of humanity (the Jews) are considered by many to be the wealthiest does not mean that it is the fault of other oppressed people who failed to be self-sufficient, or that the underdevelopment of nations and people in Africa and elsewhere is not the open or tacit responsibility of foreign powers (directly or indirectly). Some people thrive under adversity while others are retarded by it.

On the other hand, I fault kwalar N's article for its intellectual dishonesty. He ended up doing more of a disservice to the people he appears to be siding with. I suggest he does more research to have a better understanding of this nation's history and people.

A little research would have taught him that Buea was the capital of this geo-political entity from 1884-1914, when the capital was moved to Douala following the eruption of the Mt Fako (Mt Buea or Mt Cameroon). He would not have missed the fact that in 1910, the first liberation movement in Black Africa was formed in kamerun under the leadership of Mebenga Mebono (Martin Paul Samba), a multi-ethnic movement especially strong along the four southernmost provinces. He would have known that Martin Paul Samba, the Duala king Rudolf Manga Bell and a host of other prominent Kamerunians were hanged by the Germans in 1914 for conspiring with the British, French and Belgians to liberate Kamerun. That the victorious Allied powers reneged and occupied kamerun instead, partition it further and treating it as conquered German territory. He would have known that the pro-German traditional rulers and their people suffered massively after and that the British and French relied on the former anti-German rulers and peoples.

The agendas of OK (One kamerun) and KNDP (Kamerun National Democratic Party) had strong UPC support. They were the force behind the victory in the plebiscite. Those who voted in British Southern Cameroons were legal residents (long time and born, so there was no transfer of UPC people to vote in the plebiscite. Meanwhile in British Northern Cameroons, the registered voters increased by 2.6% within a year and a half. (Figure that out). A case in point is the fact that my father, their generation and the generation before them in the family who moved to the "Coast" in the times of the Germans to work, trade and seek for a better life, like many other ethnic groups in kamerun, supported reunification. Look at the historical annals of Saint Joseph College Sassed, the sole at the time and the school that churned out the vast majority of English speaking administrators for the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the backbone of administration many of us are proud of. As an entity, most were from across the Mungo. If we are proud of that era, then they were nation builders.

In Kamerun, the problem is not between Anglophones and francophones. It is not even tribal or ethnic. It is about an oligarchic system with no loyalty to the people that cannot muster a majority support in any of the ethnic groups and linguistic entities in kamerun. The truth is that yesterday it was Fulani-dominated under Ahidjo. Today, it is Beti-dominated under Biya. Moreover, individuals from all corners of kamerun are involved in the mafia-setup (our relatives, friends and tribesmen).

In the SDF dominated Limbe in the 1990s, I was privy to be working with what many considered the nerve of the party's intelligence gathering, and suffice to know that SONARA was a black hole that no patriotic Kamerunian could tolerate (Souleyman, a Fulani etc opposed the pillage by joining the SDF and lost his job, while others stuck with the CPDM and got into SONARA-Francos and Anglos). Our known petroleum reserves were expected to be depleted in 2008 and production started falling in 1989. Only recent economically viable discoveries (offshore mostly) will allow the reserves to run until 2013. With oil constitute less than 30%(from 80% in the 1980s) of government revenues today and a declie in economic growth rate, little foreign investments and Cameroonian businessmen investing abroad, time is on the side of the exponents of change. Reform moves by the regime in power are an attempt to save itself from bankruptcy. It has been parasitic on Kamerunians, forgetting that as the nation languished toward death, it too would die.

At a whim, heads of nations have changed the names of their countries, cities, constitutions and history, but that does not change geo-political, social and economic realities. The fabrics of the nation (the people) stood the same. That is the situation in kamerun. And the new kamerun will be born from the great kamerunian people and not from the names and slogans; the evil system is using to coat the kamerunian reality. The system is living an illusion, but it would be foolhardy for disadvantaged Kamerunians to live an illusion as well that only gives credit to the regime in power.

Janvier Tchouteu

Riccardo,
From your write ups, you stand out as an impeccable union nationalist who rejects the evil system oppressing us, as someone who is striving for the future new kamerun that would be an embodiment of liberty, democracy, freedom, progress, unity, peace and advancement. However, sometimes while trying to defend the unity of kamerun; it is easy to fall into the trap where one finds himself unconsciously propping up the Biya regime and system. I think you fell into that trap of appearing to exonerate the system and its regimes by minimizing the marginalization of the people in the different regions of kamerun. The system bears far more of the responsibility for the people's underdevelopment, and not the other way around.

That some people survive better than others while under oppression does not mean that the peoples were not oppressed and that the system should not be faulted for being anti-people. Every people deserve an entitlement to the resources around them, as is the norm in any civilized nation. The fact that the most oppressed people in the history of humanity (the Jews) are considered by many to be the wealthiest does not mean that it is the fault of other oppressed people who failed to be self-sufficient, or that the underdevelopment of nations and people in Africa and elsewhere is not the open or tacit responsibility of foreign powers (directly or indirectly). Some people thrive under adversity while others are retarded by it.

On the other hand, I fault kwalar N's article for its intellectual dishonesty. He ended up doing more of a disservice to the people he appears to be siding with. I suggest he does more research to have a better understanding of this nation's history and people.

A little research would have taught him that Buea was the capital of this geo-political entity from 1884-1914, when the capital was moved to Douala following the eruption of the Mt Fako (Mt Buea or Mt Cameroon). He would not have missed the fact that in 1910, the first liberation movement in Black Africa was formed in kamerun under the leadership of Mebenga Mebono (Martin Paul Samba), a multi-ethnic movement especially strong along the four southernmost provinces. He would have known that Martin Paul Samba, the Duala king Rudolf Manga Bell and a host of other prominent Kamerunians were hanged by the Germans in 1914 for conspiring with the British, French and Belgians to liberate Kamerun. That the victorious Allied powers reneged and occupied kamerun instead, partition it further and treated it as conquered German territory should be eye-openers to Anglophiles and Francophiles. Kwalar would have known that the pro-German traditional rulers and their people suffered massively after and that the British and French relied on the former anti-German rulers and peoples.

The agendas of OK (One kamerun) and KNDP (Kamerun National Democratic Party) had strong UPC support. They were the force behind the victory in the plebiscite. Those who voted in British Southern Cameroons were legal residents (long time and born, so there was no transfer of UPC people to vote in the plebiscite. Meanwhile in British Northern Cameroons, the registered voters increased by 2.6 times (260%) within a year and a half. (Figure that out). A case in point is the fact that my father, their generation and the generation before them in the family who moved to the "Coast" in the times of the Germans to work, trade and seek for a better life, like many other ethnic groups in kamerun, supported reunification. Look at the historical annals of Saint Joseph College Sassed, the sole at the time and the school that churned out the vast majority of English speaking administrators for the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the backbone of administration many of us are proud of. As an entity, most were from across the Mungo. If we are proud of that era, then they were nation builders.

In Kamerun, the problem is not between Anglophones and francophones. It is not even tribal or ethnic. It is about an oligarchic system with no loyalty to the people that cannot muster a majority support in any of the ethnic groups and linguistic entities in kamerun. The truth is that yesterday it was Fulani-dominated under Ahidjo. Today, it is Beti-dominated under Biya. Moreover, individuals from all corners of kamerun are involved in the mafia-setup (our relatives, friends and tribesmen).

In the SDF dominated Limbe in the 1990s, I was privy to be working with what many considered the nerve of the party's intelligence gathering, and suffice to know that SONARA was a black hole that no patriotic Kamerunian could tolerate (Souleyman, a Fulani etc opposed the pillage by joining the SDF and lost his job, while others stuck with the CPDM and got into SONARA-Francos and Anglos). Our known petroleum reserves were expected to be depleted in 2008 and production started falling in 1989. Only recent economically viable discoveries (offshore mostly) will allow the reserves to run until 2013. With oil constitute less than 30%(from 80% in the 1980s) of government revenues today and a declie in economic growth rate, little foreign investments and Cameroonian businessmen investing abroad, time is on the side of the exponents of change. Reform moves by the regime in power are an attempt to save itself from bankruptcy. It has been parasitic on Kamerunians, forgetting that as the nation languished toward death, it too would die.

At a whim, heads of nations have changed the names of their countries, cities, constitutions and history, but that does not change geo-political, social and economic realities. The fabrics of the nation (the people) stood the same. That is the situation in kamerun. And the new kamerun will be born from the great kamerunian people and not from the names and slogans; the evil system is using to coat the kamerunian reality. The system is living an illusion, but it would be foolhardy for disadvantaged Kamerunians to live an illusion as well that only gives credit to the regime in power.

Dr A A Agbormbai

Janvier,

Very good commentary! Is this how depleted our petroleum resources are? To save ourselves we ought now to be pursuing long-term production and industralisation activities, if only to sell to other Africans and third world countries. This would require us to produce more and more home-bred engineers.

Ma Mary

Riccardo:
There was NO Kamerun before the Germans. Yes, there were various ethnic nations and tribes. Please note that Kamerun, Southern Cameroons, Nigeria, Central Africa, French Cameroun etcetera are historical creations that resulted from European incursions. So if you say there should be no debate, you go back to your tribal country and stay there, and I will stay in mine. I am sure we do not want to go there.

Why are you Camerounese so dishonest that you do not want to discuss the failed union between Southern Cameroons and la Republique du Cameroun? Why do you want to always equate it with your tribes? You fellows are both dishonest and arrogant. Did you know that we have been raising these questions for the last 21 years. Of course you assumed that you had assimilated us and were disdainful. Since this has turned into a mass movement, you fellows are panicking. Typical French way of doing business. Ignore things until they have become a crisis and people are erecting barricades and burning stuff. Then pretend that the issue is not there instead of dealing with it.

Ma Mary

BTW, Janvier we are no longer interested in your union.

Ma Mary

Let me elaborate. We are no longer interested in your union because:

1)We don't trust you mofos, as the late Richard Pryor could have said.

2) English and French do not mix.
When we first joined you fellows, individuals from your side actually called us "English People" and called themselves "French people". We were tickled by that assertion and insisted that we were Africans, and they look like Africans too. It turned out that they (the black frenchmen) were right. Running a modern state has more to do with that English heritage or French heritage than Bamun or Banyangi. Any cursory study of the history shows that French and English are like kerosene and water. They can not mix successfully. Why the hell was the UN so cruel to us to suggest such a freaky experiment.

3) The History and the facts show that our union is not legal.

4) We do not trust you mofos. If we have not learned in 5 decades, we must really deserve our slavery. Now, go and ask the Yang gangsters of the record, and they will tell you the same, that they do not trust you mofos.

Ma Mary

PS: Naive people who think this is salvagable have never spent time working with you folks or they have some big job or house in Yaounde. All this is irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

Riccard

Ma Mary,

Where have you been? I was beginning to wonder. I really missed you here.
Do you mean that we are French and you are English?
Where is our african identity in all this?
Reading your opinion, one can tell that you are not aware of Francophones who have been fighting the Current Corrupt Regime for more than decades.
FYI many so called Francophone Cameroonians have died or have been imprisoned fighting for Justice and Democracy in Cameroon.
Your arguments completely ignore these people and I feel very offended.
These people have shed their blood to defend Cameroonians regardless of their language of origin (Francophones, Anglophones).
I do not have to name them... You know them
Why do you still associate a Corrupt Biya's Regime with ALL FRANCOPHONES?
It is an insult that will not help your cause...
Your Group should use a better strategy to put your case in front of the people of Cameroon than using these arguments of FRANCOPHONE AND ANGLOPHONE PROBLEM.

Unilateral decisions are not accepted in Democracy...
The future of our people is at stake.
If you are serious about your cause, join the us in fighting for Democrcy in Cameroon and you will put it in the ballot. If it becomes a matter of public concern.
I think any Political Startegist will agree with me...
If you keep doing what you are doing now, the result will be the same.
You will alienate the very people you want to defend and turn them away from your ideas.
Progressive Cameroonians ideas are in one way helping you out. You should consider me and other Progresive Cameroonians Allies.
For we are for Democracy and Justice.
We are not out looking for any Political appointments.
We want a Peaceful Cameroon with Justice for All.
We want a Government that will serve the People.
A Democratic Government that is inclusive and takes care of its own people.
A Government that will reconcile, help and protect each citizen of Cameroon with rules of Laws.
A Government that will listen to the People of Cameroon.
In our kind of Country, the people will hire and fire the Government.

If your Group believes in Democracy, we should be in the same Team.
After all, it might help you to put your ideas in front of the People of Cameroon and make it a matter of Public concern.

Dividing Cameroon will not solve problems but will create chaos and bloodshed in the Country.
Our poor people will suffer and the Arm Dealers will benefit from the conflit that will last for years and years without a solution.
Think about it, look all around Africa. It is happening.
After all, you love your Parents as I do and you want your children to live in a Peaceful Country as I do too.

VIVE LA DEMOCRATIE AU CAMEROUN,
LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY IN CAMEROON,

On a Personal note:

Ma Mary,

May I respectfully say to you that:
I like the way you write. For some reasons, I also associate your ideas with your person.
I think we may have a lot in common than what you think.
I am still serious about meeting with you in Paris (FRANCE) next June 2006 to meet with Progressive Cameroonians to have a peaceful discussions on "WHY CAMEROON SHOULD BE DIVIDED INTO 2 NATIONS"
If you will permit. I offer 2 ways ticket from where ever you are plus lodging.
If you accept my invitation, I will give you a full detail at oneworldcenter@hotmail.com.

Please advise,


Riccardo.
oneworldcenter@hotmail.com

To my brother Janvier,

I respect your opinion brother. But I still believe that we are all fighting for one cause. I admire your patriotism and your devotion to make Cameroon a better place to live for all our children.
Our opinion might differ with mine in some instances but buttom line is (we are in the same Team - We visualize the Cameroon - We are Patriots).

May God Bless you!

Riccardo

Dr. Louis Mbua

"Look at the historical annals of Saint Joseph College Sasse, the sole at the time and the school that churned out the vast majority of English speaking administrators for the 1950s, 1960s and 1970s, the backbone of administration many of us are proud of. As an entity, most were from across the Mungo. If we are proud of that era, then they were nation builders."

Janvier,

Your statistics about in take in Sasse College cannot be substantiated. While Sasse College takes on people based on talent and intellectual promise, I do not believe that "most" who went to the Great College were "from across the Mungo". You have no evidence to support such an argument.

You are mixing historical facts. Those who lived in the area that became Southern Cameroons before WW1, became SCians irrespective whether they came from across the Mungo or not. It was after the two mandates from the Versaille Treaty that created the present boundaries between The Republic of Cameroon and Southern Cameroons. Those who sort refuge from French barbarism into SC after this time were from across the Mungo. But the vast majority of people living in SC in the 1930s when Sasse College opened were SC who never came from "across the Mungo". They were just simply SC as a matter of circumstances and events.

Secondly, you cannot preach Unionism when there is apartheid in Cameroon against Southern Cameroonians. Unless this Black-on-Black apartheid is stopped -- and abruptly -- your arguments are all in vain because SCians will seize their rights and reclaim their Territory from illegal occupation by the Republic of Cameroon.

Janvier Tchouteu

Look at the magazine or book of Sasse's 50th anniversary and you will find the names of its students from 1939-1989. I used the word "entity”. I suppose you are smart enough to take time to get its real meaning.

The administrators automatically accepted Kamerunians from both English and French sectors in either zone. Moreover, populations continued moving across the lines in both directions after World War One.

You are supposed to be smart enough to know what Apartheid (An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination, or a practice of separating or segregating groups) is. The institutions in kamerun are dysfunctional and dominated by a minority-backed regime that in reality works to the detriment of all Kamerunians, including the ethnic group that dominates. Linguistically, English speakers fare worse than French speakers do. Region or province wise, the East province is worst off. You can determine the ethnic group or tribe that has been the most victimized. I empathize with all victimized groups or people, but dissociate myself from victimized who start victimizing or discriminating

Ma Mary

Dr Mbua:
Actually, the assertion that most Sasse Students came from across the Mungo is false. The names and records are available to dispute that and if the accomplishment of those Southern Cameroonians whose parents came from across the was to take their adoptive country as slave booty to the barbaric Republique du Cameroun, it is a crime that speaks for itself. They betrayed their trust.
If I rumage amongst my effects, I could come up with a register of Sasse Old Boys from its founding year, to disprove this falsehood handily-again with facts.

Ma Mary

I can prove it again with Bali College, Okoyong or Saker.

Ndiks

Were is Henriette? Did you access the links i send Henriette.Or you have resorted to your usual prevarication,typical of you and your colonial Gov't.NEVER THE TWAINS SHALL MEET!

Ndiks

jANVIER'S QUOTE
You are supposed to be smart enough to know what Apartheid (An official policy of racial segregation formerly practiced in the Republic of South Africa, involving political, legal, and economic discrimination, or a practice of separating or segregating groups) is. The institutions in kamerun are dysfunctional and dominated by a minority-backed regime that in reality works to the detriment of all Kamerunians, including the ethnic group that dominates.UNQUOTE

This is exactly what your colonial LRC Gov't is doing in Ambazonia today.Were are the other Kamerun territories Janvier?Prevaricate.So long as you do not say were other Kamerun Territories are,You will sempre be a joker and detractor to the eyes of Ambazonians.Note this.NEVER THE TWAIN SHALL MEET!

Dr. Louis Mbua

"The institutions in kamerun are dysfunctional and dominated by a minority-backed regime that in reality works to the detriment of all Kamerunians, including the ethnic group that dominates. Linguistically, English speakers fare worse than French speakers do. Region or province wise, the East province is worst off. You can determine the ethnic group or tribe that has been the most victimized. " Janvier

You, again, miss the point. It is an argument between two states or countries -- SC and LRC; and not that of tribes or provinces in LRC. The Republic of Cameroon has every right to make sure that her citizens in East Province are well-catered for. This is not Southern Cameroons' business. We have THE SAME obligation to look after people in Victoria, Bamenda or Bakassi. What we are concerned is the stealing of the Southern Cameroons State by the Republic of Cameroon claiming it to be her province. This is outright theft that can never be accepted.

To build a United Cameroon, The Republic of Cameroon must first surrender these territories to Southern Cameroonians for a UN-supervised referendum as to the future of Southern Cameroons. As our parents joined and achieved equal status independence (stolen) by their inalienable right to vote, so too we have the right to vote to leave or remain in the Union depending on whether we are happy or not. The right is given by God and not by man; it can be delayed but can never be taken away. You are born with it. This is fundamental human rights which must be accepted as a pre-condition. Anything else is a complete waste of time.

janvier Tchouteu

Ndiks, upgrade yourself on another language, preferably English, then you would be able to read/write and understand well. With that improvement, you stand a chance of finding the answers to your repeated questions whose answers are so glaring.

Ma Mary, I am trying to convince myself that you have a positive mind, that you are intellectually honest. I hope I am not deluding myself. Take time and an open mind to read my disagreements to the points Napoleon Kwalar made. The mention of the ancestral origins from across the Mungo of some of the early pillars of West Cameroon administration was to make a point that they did not flee from French persecution of the UPC. I expect you to know the meaning of "entity"(people with a distinct existence) in the context I used. In addition, the entities are a hundred and more. So, the word "most"(majority) carries a relative term.

It is disheartening that as usual you reduced everything to Anglo-Franco or East and West Cameroon, and so speak in absolute terms. Therefore, I am waiting for the results of the Sasse research of students in the 1940s, and 1950s that formed the administration of 1950s, 1960s and 1970s. Tell me the percentages of the origins of the different entities, or to make it simple, the largest entity and its percentage.

Riccardo

Why is it that we keep our discussion here on theories more than realities?
For how long are we going to play this game?
Historians have never made good Politicians anyway.
I hope no one takes this forum really serious because the Protagonists here are merely arguing on history not concrete proposal to solve the real problems of our Country.
We are just acting here as if we are playing video games.

WELCOME TO THE "PAST FORUM"!
Faculte Virtuelle d'Histoires et de Geographie du Cameroun.

When I think about, it is also a good thing when people feel they are listened to...
May that is what most of us are doing here...
If that keeps us out of trouble... so be it

VIVE LA DEMOCRATIE!
VIVE LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN!
MAY GOD BLESS MY PEOPLE (FRANCOPHONES AND ANGLOPHONES OF CAMEROON).

Riccardo


dango tumma

A REMINDER, A REMINDER, A REMINDER

THIS FORUM IS FOR THE SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS OR ANGLOPHONES ,IT MEANT FOR THEM TO DEBATE FACTS AND NATTERS FACING THEIR LIFES, TO FURTHER DEVELOP THEIR LAND.
NOW THOSE FRANCOPHONES WHO WANNA JOIN
SHOULD MAKE THEMSELVES VERSE IN THE ANGLOSAXON WORLD VIEW AND THOUGHT FORM.
OR SEEK OTHER FORUMS OF LIKE MINDS
THE HEN-RAT. ANDREW FOKAAM, AND RICARDO ALVARIO, MUST BEAR IN MIND, THAT WE HAVE A WORLD VIEW DIFFERENT FROM THEIRS, AND BY
KNOWING THIS FACT, THEY LIKE THE UGLY
GIRL HEN-RAT WOULD CALMLY LEARN OUR WAY
OR GO ELSE WHERE, OUR WAY OF SEEING THE WORLD IS WHAT PROPELL OUR THINKING, OUR
PERSPECTIVE IS WHAT MAKE US, WE ARE NOT HERE
TO EXCHANGE OPINIONS, BUT TO DEBATE FACTS,
THE ANGLOSAXON WAY, THE ONLY UNCIVILIZED
ONES ARE THE ONES WHO DONT RESPECT THIS FORUM AND THIS FACT AS HEN-RAT, WHO HAVE NO ROOTS IN SOUTHERN CAMEROONS, WHO THINKS
THERE IS NO SUCH AS THING AS TWO SOUVEREIGN STATES, WE ARE ALL ONE CAMEROUN.
BUT THEIR CAMEROUN, HEN-RAT, GO TELL YOU FATHER , WE DONT BELONG TO THAT CAMEROON OR
KISS YOUR ASS GOOD BYE TO THIS FORUM
POOR RAT.

dango tumma

hen-rat
grass land extend from widikum to bangui, from ngaoundere to niamey. from darfur to tibati not only baoun and bamenda, your myopic definition of your
KAMERUN, UNDER, HEN-RAT, GREAT GRAND FATHER
AS ACHILLE MBIMBE.
ALL THEN SOO SOO EGG HEADS
HE WHO DOESNT KNOW ,THAT HE DOSNT KNOW. KNOWS NOTHING, TO KNOW ,KNOWLEDGE OF.

dango tumma

the wicked and foolish of intent are
always afraid of truth and facts, they
would rather sweep them under the rugs than stand a chance, soo is the FRANCOPHONE MAN
CALLED JANVIEU, THEY WOULD RATHER MIXUP
BANANA WITH PLANTAIN OR WATER WITH OIL. EVEN AS THE NEVER ACTUALLY MIX, WGAT IS DISHAERTENING TO REFER TO YOU AS FRANCOPHONE
CAMEROUNESE, WHEN THERE IS AN ORGANISATION BEARING THE NAME FRANCOPHONIE, IT GROUP
PEOPLE OF COLONIAL FRENCH WITH LIKE MINDS
AND WORLD VIEW AS JANVIER TCHONTEU AND RICARDO AND HENRAT, IT IS NOT HERE THAT YOU WILL BE SEEN OR HEARD ,CAUSE WE ALL ARE ANGLOPHONES AND WE ARE VERY PROUD OF THAT
YOU DINT LIKE THAT APPELATION AS FRANCOPHONE THEN GO TELL YOUR FRENCH MASTERS
THAT , AND LEAVE US ALONE. WE DONE PRESCRIBE TO YOUR BRAIN WAVES, NEITHER YOUR
THOUGHT VIEW, NEITHER TO WHERE AFAR YOU CAME FROM ,NOR TO WHERE YOU INTENDED TO HEAD.
ALL WE KNOW IS ATLEAST WE KNOW WHO WE ARE.
WHERE WE VE BEEN AND WHERE WE RE HEADIND. SOO YOUR UNITED CAMEROUNS SIMPLY DIED LONG AGO, CAUSE IT WAS SOME THING ON PAPER ONLY. AND DOESNT EXIST DUE TO SOME
EGG HEADS RULERS WITH EVIL INTENT AS YOURS, SOO I SUGEST YOU PACK AND LEAVE.
LEAVE THIS ;LAND NOW. AMEN

Andre Fokam

Tumma
you are a big disgrace to the anglophones. i don't even one to call you anglophone because you do not deserve that. you are just an illiterate without manners. Anglohones are gentlemen and they don't talk that way to ladies. your case is made worse by the fact that you ignore that you are ignorant. worse still, you are fustrated and angry. people like you are needed no where near our country Cameroon. stay here in US forever and enjoy some burgers. i know you cannot learn anymore about anglosaxon civility because in 27 years here you didn't learn nothing.
"le chien aboie, la caravane passe"
Peace to all

john smith

whether we like it or not the anglophone problem in cameroon is a ticking time bomb. No matter how long it will explode. Rather us anglophones seeking dialogue with the neocolonists, we should start thinking of putting money to support an arm revolution in Cameroon. Riccardo and Henrietta should go to hell. This forum is for blood SC not for to the so called refugees from the east.

Riccardo ever since you left cameroon what have you done? Have you heard of SAMCO, DATA, STEELCAM, just to name a few. These are anglophones who have created jobs in both EC and SC. Rest assured that your corrupt Cameroun gives the frogs tax breaks or they are indebted to Le Cameroun.

Riccardo you are long over due working in farms and nursing homes. Go back to your cameroun.

Henriette

Dango Tumba,

You are trying too hard to pick a catfight.
But hey, you just won a tiara for trying!
Now you can go sit next to a queen. You have earned crassness noblesse.

Henriette

Felixam

Mr John Smith,
I totally agree with you. Its time for fund raising for the Army of Liberation of the Southern Cameroon. It is also very imperative for all Southern Cameroonians to be prepared psychologically for the nature of the fight ahead. No one is going to declare war against The Republic of Cameroon but we are going to take back what belongs to us. All Southern Cameroonians in the present Military set up of the Territory should be ready to ignore the commands of their bosses or else they shall be fighting against their own country.
A civil war is the last option and i think we have been driven to that point.
No matter how long it takes, our determination, sacrifice and the willingness to die for a noble cause will see us through.
The supply of arms should not be your worry.
What we need now are the people to operate effectively and respond to any change of plan.
Recruitment is currently going on and donot be surprise if you are approached.
While the SCNC and related movements will continue to mount any form of political offensive, 'Freedom Fighters' and our activities will go a long way to raise more awareness and attention to our plight.
You may wonder why such a message should appear on this forum.
Well, we know many of you writing on this forum are ready to do the ultimate sacrifice for your beloved Southern Cameroon. The quality of information you are all placing here has been used by experts to determine certain parameters of a frustrated people and is quite convinced many of you will like to get on board. We pray you do. But even if you donot, try to condition your mindset for the worst.
Our Freedom and independence shall be bought with our blood.


rexon

Ricardo, Agbormbai and all those sympathising with a united cameroun. Yes cameroun is one and indivisible, but the republic of southern cameroons is surely not thought by you are being part of that one and indivisible cameroun. Your consitution recognises only one group of citizens, those of la republique du cameroun and do not recognise any southern cameroon or english speaking cameroonian. You recognise us as biafrans when we cross to your territory across the moungo, we are not, we are citizens of the independent republic of southern cameroons. You subject us to systematic torture by your gerndarmes, you repartriate some of us as illegal nigerian immigrants, yet you think we are one. You identify us by our language and do in most circumstances, refuse to give us jobs. Yet your citizens work in our country (their colony) without any discrimination. look at sonel school ombe, look at sonara, look at snec, look at all the institutions in southern cameroons with links to la republique du cameroon. Look at the judiciary and corruption perpetrated by your master france. we are not part of that kind of evil. we are a modest republic called the republic of southern cameroons.

regina ebot ( south Africa)

All this of plesbicite I can say is not valid. The plebiscite of 11th febuary 1961 were conducted by human beings and can still be cancelled by our ourselves( human beings). Southern Cameroon needs some freedom, so it must be given to hear.I believe this constitution of Human Rights is not there for nothing, but for people.Human beings have the right to stay where it will make them happy, rather being were they are not happy. I think it is for this reason that there is no development in Cameroon.

southern Cameroon have the right to be on its own autonomous state.

God bless the people of southern Cameroon

regina ebot ( south Africa)

All this plesbicite thing I can say is not valid. The plebiscite of 11th febuary 1961 were conducted by human beings and can still be cancelled by our ourselves( human beings). Southern Cameroon needs some freedom, so it must be given to hear.I believe this constitution of Human Rights is not there for nothing, but for people.Human beings have the right to stay where it will make them happy, rather being were they are not happy. I think it is for this reason that there is no development in Cameroon.

southern Cameroon have the right to be on its own autonomous state.

God bless the people of southern Cameroon

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Hello Everybody,

Read Felixam above and see what we are playing with.

I have said Anglophone solution is Secession and civile war.

We Francophone need to take this serious. We are seeing war.

Ricardo, Henriette, Janvier, this is not joking.

This fellow are serious.

We need solution not insult.

We need consensus not hollow slogan.

Chanting "National Unity", "Progressive Forces", "Democracy", "One and Indivisible Cameroon", "German Kamerun", are NOT SOLUTION.

They are slogan to brainwash little children, NOT SOLUTION.

We agree current situation is not accepted by both Anglophone and Francophone.

Anglophone propose Secession and civile war. Francophone do not accept that.

What do Francophone (Ricardo, Henriette, Andre, Janvier) propose?

Propose solution, not insult that make people like Dango Tumman, more angry with more insult.

It does not help. It divide us more.

We need to propose solution, otherwise stop writing.

I have voted for SDF 4-State federation. Each state control their own except Military, External Relations, Security, National Budget.

Anglophone state can take special status like Quebec in Canada, but they cannot have secession power like Quebec. We need National Unity.

I do not like 1961 2-State federation. It amplify Anglophone/Francophone divide.

I do not like 10-state federation. Too expensive. Too much duplicity. Too many State Assembly. Too Many State Government. Too much waste. Little micro state like East Province with less than 500000 population are waste.

Anybody can propose other solution. No insult. Just solution.

Thanks you.

NAN...


Gman-Ntamulung

Dango Tumma
You are really a pittyfull ignorant.
Because someone's name is Janvier, you assume he's a Francophone?
If you don'thave any argument, get out of the forum.
I believe SCNC advocate democraty. And that includes difference in opinion.

Let me ask you a question: If I do not believe in Independance, does that makes me a traitor?

Riccardo

Dango,John,rexon and co

I do agree that BIYA's regime has caused a lot of pain in our Country.
I do with you Guys that we have been ruled by a Corrupt Regime that is now by the way working to correct the mess Biya created many years ago with his deliberate incompetent actions.
We all agree that Cameroon could be better if he a Government of the People by the People who value democracy.
We all agree that some regions of Cameroon have been abandoned and left in poverty by Biya's policy "OF DOING NOTHING FOR CAMEROON" but taking care of the Chronies.
We are literally complaining about the same thing.
You see it more an Anglophone problem, but Progressive Cameroonians see it more a CAMEROON PROBLEM.

We think , a pain felt in Buea is a pain felt by a Cameroonian in Garoua. A pain felt in Ebolowa is a pain felt in Bafoussam.
There is only one Country.

You see it as an opportunity to create more confusions, but Progressive Cameroonians see it as an opportunity to change for a better future of our children.
You see it as an opportunity to self govern but Progressive Cameroonians see it as an opportunity to further Democratic values.
You see it as an opportunity to fufill your personal ambitions but progressive Cameroonians see it as an opportunity to create a society where every Cameroonian will have an equal opportunity regardless of their creed, religion, tribe and linguistic origin.
We want to bring changes in CAMEROON by PEACEFUL means using NON VIOLENCE ...
But you call for VIOLENCE and HATE amongst our People.
LET IT BE KNOWN THAT THE PEOPLE OF CAMEROON REJECTS YOUR IDEAS OF CREATING MASS GRAVES IN OUR COUNTRY.

Progressive Cameroonians use the knowledge acquired from Western Institutions to further African values, democracy and Justice but you use it to call for hatry and division.

Your Gang tends to ignore the facts that many Patriots have died, sent to jail to liberate our Country (KAMERUN) from Colonialists.
As we are debating now, many Patriot Cameroonians are fighting to make Democracy a core value in our System of Government.
Many Patriot Cameroonians (members of the current Regime are working very hard daily to make Cameroon a Peaceful Democratic Country).
We have to give respect where respect is due...
We owe them Respect....
It is very offensive to Cameroonians who love, cheerish their history and Country to see people selectively ignoring a very important part of their history.

Do you really value DEMOCRACY?

If you do, you will agree with me that a Country does not have to be divided into 2 Kingdoms to prosper.

In my opinion this how I will summarize your belief:
*YOUR IDEAS ARE BASED ON INNACURATE HISTORICAL FACTS.
*YOU MAKE UNREALISTIC DEMANDS
*YOUR ASSUMPRION OF YOUR PERSONAL SUFFERINGS AND FRUSTRATIONS ARE BASED CONSPIRACY THEORY OF FRANCOPHONES AGAINST ANGLOPHONES...

Conspiracy Theory of Francophones against Anglophones in Cameroon is a myth..
Bad Government never does good for its people. Bad Government is just Bad Government for our Nation.
If we had a Corrupt Government headed by an Anglophone, the outcome would have been the same (who knows may be worst).
Your Gang is glued on innacurate historical facts. THE BRITISH AND THE FRENCH DID NOT CREATE CAMEROON.... IT IS WELL DOCUMENTED THAT KAMERUN EXISTED BEFORE THESE COLONIALIST CAME TO DIVIDE US FOR THEIR INTEREST.
Your Group makes UNREALISTIC DEMANDS of dividing Cameroun into 2 Kingdoms.
UNREALISTIC DEMANDS ARE NEVER MET... You remember the Republic of Texas? This Group like yours was rejected an crushed by the Great Democracy on earth called the United States of America.
Like your Gang, they demanded to be out of the Union for historical facts.They believed that Texas was seperate from the USA.... Wrong! Miscalculation.
Your assumption that Anglophones will never live together peaceful with their Francohones...WRONG... another miscalculation.. . Today most Cameroonians speak fluently English and French... Many Cameroonians do not reject their family members because they were born across the Mungo river... That is stupid... I personally have a mixed family. And nothing will come to seperate us because he or she was born in Douala or Kumba. Your Gang is out of touch of realities...

If you think about it, Progressive Cameroonians are fighting the Good fight for All Cameroonians...
In our Cameroon, you will be welcome to make your ideas a Matter of Public Concern and Democracy will take its course (if the people want it on the ballot box, of course).
But I personally believe that your IDEA WILL NEVER BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY BY CAMEROONIANS... IT IS TOO RADICAL AND DESTRUCTIVE... THE CAMEROONIAN PEOPLE ARE MORE INTELLIGENT THAN THAT.

BUT USING THE THREAT OF VIOLENCE AND HATE AGAINST OUR PEOPLE WILL NEVER BE TOLERATED.
ANY GOVERNMENT IN CAMEROON HAS THE RIGHT TO PROTECT OUR NATIONAL INTEGRITY. AND PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIANS WILL MAKE SURE IT HAPPENS...

PEACEFUL DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY WAY....
To answer a question from one on the forum,
I am working hard doing my part in allievating poverty in Cameroon.
I m involved in doing all what I can to be part of the solutions not part of the problems.
I think, this is not about me.
DEMOCRACY IS FAR BEYOND ONE PERSON.
IT IS A FUTURE OF OUR CHILDREN...

WE WILL EITHER USE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO MAKE A DEMOCRATIC COUNTRY WITH JUSTICE AND OPPORTUNITIES FAR ALL OR MISS THE OPPORTUNITY AND CREATE CHAOS AND HATE IN OUR SOCIETY.

CHAOS AND HATE IS UNACCEPTABLE ....
WE WILL DEFEND OUR COUNTRY AGAINST HATE AND UNDENOCRATIC VALUES...


GOD BLESS A DEMOCRATIC CAMEROON!
GOD BLESS ALL THE PEACE LOVING PEOPLE OF CAMEROON (ANGLOPHONES AND FRANCOPHONES)

PEACE AND LOVE,

Riccardo
oneworldcenter@hotmail.com


Gman-Ntamulung

M NAN,
With all due respect, what do call an anglophone? Natives from the current Northwest and Southwest provinces of Cameroon? People who lived and grew in those areas? Or what?
Why do you think Janvier is a Francophone? Because he's advocating unity?
So Am I a Francophone, or an Anglophone?

Riccardo

Brother Gnman,

This is the classical example of profiling Cameroonians. These people are completely out of touch of realities in Cameroon.
Mr Dango or what ever you call yourself,
Janvier is not necessarily a Francophone just as Riccardo is not necessarily a Sapnish or Italian but a REAL TRUE, PATRIOTIC CAMEROONIAN who happens to be born in Kumba but grew up in Yaounde, Garoua, Nkongsamba and Limbe.
I hope you learn this time.
27 years out of Cameroon has not really helped you to understand your Country today.
Good luck in educating yourself about the Cameroon culture and traditions.

God Bless Cameroun!

Riccardo

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr Gman-Ntamulung,

I call Anglophone those who think they are from West Cameroon of 1961.

I call Francophone those who think they are from East Cameroon of 1961.

I know many people do not like classification.

Those who want Secession and Civile War use classification.

Let us use it as base for SOLUTION to our present country problem.

Thank you.

NAN...

Riccardo

Brother Gman,

By the way the message if Mr DANGO TUMMA or whatever he calls himself.

Sorry for the confusion.

Riccardo.

Riccardo

Mr NAN,

So only those who agree on your message of hate are ANGLOPHONES.
That tells how you do not value democracy but you are potential DICTATOR....
We do not need one like you.
Stay in America. At least here, you are harmless in the American democracy.

May God Bless you, to give you more wisdom in finding peace within yourself.

VIVE LA DEMOCRATIE!
LONG LIVE DEMOCRACY IN CAMEROON!

Riccardo

Paul Matoko

RICCARDO AND LIKE-MINDED:

I refer you to La Republique du Cameroun’s Note Verbale of 24 December 1960 to the UK Government. The note verbale reiterated your contry's “desire for unification with Southern Cameroons ... on the basis of a Federation”.

It confirmed the pre-plebiscite agreements and requested the British Government to consider them “as an expression of the official views of the Republic.”

We the sons and daughters of Southern Cameroons hold you to your words. Any other machination or trickery to grab land and occupy Southern Cameroons is illegal. Your country has no maritime boundary with Nigeria.

Have some dignity and self-respect. Don't force yourself onto somebody else. Don't be the proverbial Arab's camel in the desert.

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Ricardo,

Please refer me to where I have message of hate.

I want solution. I say no insult.

I say propose solution.

How is that message of hate?

How is that a dictator?

Are you confirming what I have said?

Thank you.

NAN...

Riccardo

Mr Paul,

Did you see the map of Kamerun before the Bristish and French came to Cameroon?

Riccardo

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Ricardo,

I said before. Using German map to argue for United Kamerun is bad.

German Kamerun also include Tchad, Centrafrique, Congo, Gabon, Equato Guinea, Nigeria.

Will you make war to bring them back to German Kamerun?

Let us work from 1961 union, see why it is not working and repair it.

Propose solution to repair current country problem

Forget German Kamerun. It is bad argument.

Thank you.

NAN...

Andre Fokam

to the John Smith and Felixam and co.
i hope the war you are talking about is one that you will fight yourself, not that you hope to enjoy peace and prosperity somewhere in the world and ask poor people in cameroon to fight for you. i keep on saying that Cameroonian have good commonsense and are too mature to heed to such devilish plans. you are not the first to try to destabilise our country and you will not be the last. we are determined to stay united, peaceful and work for our collective progress. the peace we enjoy now is the collective will of all the people of Cameroon. after all, some nations have gone to war for much less level of misunderstanding than what is in cameroon now.
we are aware of some dark forces of division among us, but the forces of peace and unity are overwhemingly superior in both determination and power.
if you (divisionist) are people of principle, buy your weapon and go to Cameroon to start the fight yourself, and be ready to face the consequences of your actions yourself. at least when you will be arrested or killed, it would have happen for what you believe in.

Andre Fokam


Janvier Tchouteu

Excerpt from a visionary:

It was not until ten years after the death of her mother that Tenga’s enthusiastic first child, David Nemafou, set out in search of his cousin. Hectic though it was, he finally traced Klara out in Bamenda, now married to a prosperous Akum trader. Their marriage was blessed with seven children. Vincent Ndi Chi was the fourth child and second son of his parents.
Vincent Ndi Chi, the boy genius during his schooldays in the fifties and sixties, was adviser to the anglophone leader, John Ngu Foncha who made Kamerun’s reunification a reality. With a doctorate in economics at the age of thirty-three, Vincent Ndi Chi was, then, a unique man. He taught in the University of Yaoundé in the early seventies and captured the hearts of his students and friends. As a writer, the prodigy was credited with three outstanding novels, and numerous political essays on pan-Africanism, Kamerunian nationalism, and African democracy. These were in addition to the plays he had written, making him a hero in the literary world.
Vincent Ndi Chi was a conscientious man and an outspoken critic of the system he had rejected, with a reputation as a fiery-tempered nationalist and an African unionist. He was a man loved by the poor, the young, the cheated, the honest, the talented, the neglected, the ambitious and dynamic. He was a man imbued with the qualities of a great leader, even though he lacked the instincts of a conqueror and survivor in a bloody world. He was not unscrupulous. He was not ruthless in his ambitions. He was always looking for a compromise with his adversaries, even though they welcomed and guarded their interests in the system and loathed his virtues. ‘Let’s reason’, were words frequently attributed to him.
Vincent Ndi Chi was respected as a political critic. Initially, he had been sceptical of the French-imposed system. But then he too learnt of the horrors of the war against the Kamerunian nationalist forces and became vehemently opposed to the Ahidjo and Pablo-Nero regimes until his death. He could not close his eyes to the genocide carried out by Ahidjo and his French allies against the nationalist liberation movement – Union of the Populations of Cameroon (UPC) and its supporters. That the Bassa and Bamileke populations had to pay such a heavy price for a country they aspired for all Kamerunians was a grief he could not dispel.
Still, he had gone ahead to caution the Ahidjo regime against the imprisonment of Bishop Albert Ndongmo, the local mediator who was trying to bring Ahidjo and Ernest Ouangie together for peace talks in order to resolve the conflict. He was outraged when Ernest Ouangie, the last historic UPC leader, was executed after he gave himself up to the regime. That was when he became overt in his criticism of French neo-colonialism. It was because of this outspoken nature that he fell out with his mentor, John Ngu Foncha, when the leader failed in stopping Ahidjo from creating a unitary state of the federation. But he was all the more aggrieved that multiparty democracy was squashed when Ahidjo subjugated all by forming the Cameroon National Union from the political parties of the land in 1966.
As a nationalist, Vincent Ndi Chi had harboured the original Kamerunian dream of a reunited and independent nation where the original Kamerunian concepts would be used to advance the nation; where the Kamerunian ideal would be applied to bridge the difference in development of her anglophone and francophone regions, build a genuine bilingual ethos, and revive a unique Kamerunian identity from the different ideas and actions of the adopted French and English cultures as a model for the future united Africa. He had always favoured a moderate federation of autonomous provinces and regions; a federation where the rights of minorities – both indigenous and settler – are respected. He had hoped that the federation would bring unity and a shared sense of common purpose. That, he was certain, could be realised only through a strong democratic central government committed to protect Kamerun's biculturalism, while at the same time promoting its bilingual character.
As a unionist in his nationalism, he had believed that the strong central government would have to work in partnership with the provincial and regional governments in all matters except defence, foreign policy, transportation, education, national statistics, monetary policy, settlement of ethnic disputes, and the protection of central, regional, and provincial laws. It was only after the accords that sealed the hopes of a pluralistic Kamerun had been concluded, and after he had escaped several assassination attempts, that Vincent Ndi Chi quit Kamerun in 1975. But unlike his grandfather, he was never exiled.
Vincent Ndi Chi, the stalwart campaigner, never relented in his criticism of the Ahidjo regime while on self-exile. He furnished reports with the United Nations on human rights abuses, fomentation of ethic hatred, mass killings, corruption, discrimination, and unchecked exploitation and destruction of the resources of Kamerun by the French and their puppet, Ahidjo. In 1973, Vincent Ndi Chi married the daughter of the late UPC member, Boris Akame. Their marriage was blessed with two sons and three daughters.
Vincent Ndi Chi did not continue in his criticism of the system after Ahidjo relinquished power late in 1982. He would give the new regime enough time to match the rhetoric of its drive for a new, democratic, and prosperous Kamerun with actions. That was why he was hopeful after the failed coup against Pablo-Nero Essomba two years later, a coup many claimed was backed by Ahidjo. In 1985, a year after the coup, Vincent Ndi Chi returned to Kamerun.
Vincent Ndi Chi, the visionary, the seeker of pluralism, the man of justice, the honest nationalist and saintly revolutionary returned to the Kamerun he held so dearly, but instead of finding hope, he found despair, instead of finding a sprouting democracy, he found an entrenched ethnocentric oligarchy, that had little patriotism for the country that it was leading. He found an inefficient and corrupt government headed by a weakling, whose strength was generated by paranoia. It was a government speedily draining the dynamic spirit of the Kamerunian people that he would have to confront this time. Yet, it was a government with the firm backing of those in the French powerhouse who had brought Pablo-Nero Essomba to power. Vincent Ndi Chi was quick to realize that, like the mentor he betrayed, the new Kamerunian president was also uneasy about the fact that he had not ascended to power as the democratic choice of the people.
Vincent Ndi Chi finally became a dedicated revolutionary in his fight for the genuine liberation of his fatherland. He would not criticise and run away this time. He would work with others for a change, create an opposition and ensure the ascension to power of a nationalist government with a determination to implement the best of the original Kamerunian ideals. That was the vision the union nationalist came to share with others after his return to his fatherland and the discovery of the highly privileged oligarchy. He could not come to terms with the fact that Kamerun, which was the world’s second fastest growing economy after South Korea in 1984, could become the least promising in Africa four years after.
The government held that Vincent Ndi Chi began the democratic drive in Kamerun in the late eighties, that he compiled the required documents to form a political party and that he won over some supporters in the upper echelons of the system, who covertly helped to facilitate his activities. Whatever the version, Vincent Ndi Chi made a poor judgement. He dwelled too much on the system’s weakness of acting only after much steam had been let out. Only after the end of 1989 was the party to be registered and launched. Nobody expected the Pablo-Nero regime to strike before the lid was opened and steam let out. On 26 December, Vincent Ndi Chi was found dead in his bedroom, the file of documents missing. An autopsy was performed, and a pellet the size of a pinhead was found embedded in his right arm. This pellet was laced with a deadly poison.

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Riccardo

Mr Nan,

You are entitled to your opinion. I respect it.
I don't think referring to the map of Kamerun is a bad piece of argument of Cameroon being a vast Country before the British and French came to divide us.
Is Cameroon going to annex Tchad and RCA referring to map? NOOOOOO....
As far as I know, no one in Cameroon has ever claimed to reconquer Cameroon original territorial integrity.
Mr NAN, I have several times proposed solutions to repair current cameroon problems.
DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY WAY!
We have to keep opposing ANY CORRUPT REGIME in Cameroon and foster democratic reforms, clean up Corruption, enforce the rule of Laws and bring total Justice to the Cameroonian People.
Those who are interested with INSTANT GRATIFICATIONS will say how long will it take?
Let me respectfully ask you something....
Do you know how long it took for MEXICO across the border here to be a fully Democratic Nation???? Think about it.
Divisers like the CHIAPAS REBELS where very unhappy (with reason of corruption). They lost lives in fighting to divide MEXICO...
Guest what? MEXICO IS A DEMOCRATIC NATION TODAY...
MY ANSWER FOR HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR DEMOCRATIC CAMEROON??? WILL BE

AS LONG AS IT WILL TAKE TO HAVE TOTAL VICTORY...

Now, if someone thinks about his personal political appointment, it may not be a viable solution because he will be afraid that he may not live to be part of aDemocratic Cameroon... But our children will enjoy a Peaceful, Democratic Country.

Mr NAN, do you know that only few people who fought for liberty and Justice in this Country(USA) really lived to enjoy the fruits of their labor? You and I and anyone else are enjoying now...
These people were not guided by their self interest to be Secretary of States, President or Vice President of this Country.
They were guided by the interest of making a better society for the next generation.
read "I HAVE A DREAM BY DR MARTIN LUTHER KING".
Regrettably, in Africa we first think about our personal political success or rewards before we fight for a JUST CAUSE.

In my opinion, anyone who wants to change the current political situation in Cameroon should FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY AND PEACE.

THEY SHOULD USE NON VIOLENCE AS A METHOD AND CALL FOR CAMEROONIAN CONSCIENCE TO REJECT CORRUPTION, TRIBALISM, NEPOTISM AND PEACEFULLY FOSTER DEMOCRACY IN OUR COUNTRY.

AFTER ALL NO ONE IS GOING TO BE IN POWER FOR EVER...

BUT THE CHOICE OF OUR SOLUTIONS WILL IMPACT THE LIVES OF OUR FUTURE GENERATION...

LET'S FIGHT FOR PEACEFUL DEMOCRATIC CHANGES IN OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY...

GOD BLESS A DEMOCRATI ND PEACEFUL CAMEROON!

Riccardo

Riccardo

Mr Nan,

You are entitled to your opinion. I respect it.
I don't think referring to the map of Kamerun is a bad piece of argument of Cameroon being a vast Country before the British and French came to divide us.
Is Cameroon going to annex Tchad and RCA referring to map? NOOOOOO....
As far as I know, no one in Cameroon has ever claimed to reconquer Cameroon original territorial integrity.
Mr NAN, I have several times proposed solutions to repair current cameroon problems.
DEMOCRACY IS THE ONLY WAY!
We have to keep opposing ANY CORRUPT REGIME in Cameroon and foster democratic reforms, clean up Corruption, enforce the rule of Laws and bring total Justice to the Cameroonian People.
Those who are interested with INSTANT GRATIFICATIONS will say how long will it take?
Let me respectfully ask you something....
Do you know how long it took for MEXICO across the border here to be a fully Democratic Nation???? Think about it.
Divisers like the CHIAPAS REBELS where very unhappy (with reason of corruption). They lost lives in fighting to divide MEXICO...
Guest what? MEXICO IS A DEMOCRATIC NATION TODAY...
MY ANSWER FOR HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO FIGHT FOR DEMOCRATIC CAMEROON??? WILL BE

AS LONG AS IT WILL TAKE TO HAVE TOTAL VICTORY...

Now, if someone thinks about his personal political appointment, it may not be a viable solution because he will be afraid that he may not live to be part of aDemocratic Cameroon... But our children will enjoy a Peaceful, Democratic Country.

Mr NAN, do you know that only few people who fought for liberty and Justice in this Country(USA) really lived to enjoy the fruits of their labor? You and I and anyone else are enjoying now...
These people were not guided by their self interest to be Secretary of States, President or Vice President of this Country.
They were guided by the interest of making a better society for the next generation.
read "I HAVE A DREAM BY DR MARTIN LUTHER KING".
Regrettably, in Africa we first think about our personal political success or rewards before we fight for a JUST CAUSE.

In my opinion, anyone who wants to change the current political situation in Cameroon should FIGHT FOR DEMOCRACY AND PEACE.

THEY SHOULD USE NON VIOLENCE AS A METHOD AND CALL FOR CAMEROONIAN CONSCIENCE TO REJECT CORRUPTION, TRIBALISM, NEPOTISM AND PEACEFULLY FOSTER DEMOCRACY IN OUR COUNTRY.

AFTER ALL NO ONE IS GOING TO BE IN POWER FOR EVER...

BUT THE CHOICE OF OUR SOLUTIONS WILL IMPACT THE LIVES OF OUR FUTURE GENERATION...

LET'S FIGHT FOR PEACEFUL DEMOCRATIC CHANGES IN OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY...

GOD BLESS A DEMOCRATIC AND PEACEFUL CAMEROON!

Riccardo

Paul Matoko

Andre Fokam said "if you (divisionist) are people of principle, buy your weapon and go to Cameroon to start the fight yourself, and be ready to face the consequences of your actions yourself. at least when you will be arrested or killed, it would have happen for what you believe in".

Therein lies the weakness of Andre, Riccardo and Henriette. They are afraid of defending the truth, the facts and law. With decrees and a few armed gendarmes, the likes of Fokam are herded like sheep.

I really salute the SCNC for taking on La Republique in the most appropriate manner, on factual arguments at international level.

La Republique is a daylight thief and bully. In front of the law, the bully shrinks like waterleaf under the sun.

Andre, you cannot divide what was never a single piece ! You cannot walk into somebody's house, demand to stay put because of peace. You guys may be completely lawless as others have said.

Long live the SCNC.


Riccardo

Ma Marie,

Where are you? We missed you!

Riccardo.


Janvier,

I am trying to get your book through ebay.
You are a Cameroonian Genius.

Riccardo.

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Ricardo,

Once more, please show me where I have message to preach hate.

I will know, so I write better next time.

Thanks you.

NAN...

Riccardo

Sorry Mr NAN,

I have mistakenly taken you for someone else.
Please accept my apology.

May God Bless you,

Riccardo

Charles Forkwa

I continue to be amazed at the number of people willing to give the current administration more time to fulfill promises it has reneged upon time and again. Either they are the "turn the other cheek" extremists or unwilling to face drastic change, change that is just a matter of time, and all they are doing is prolonging the inevitable. The longer it is posponed the worse it will get.
The kind of reform Cameroon needs can neither be provided by the Biya government nor by the current opposition. This is a fact borne by evidence of past behaviour.
We will continue to rationalize and apeace while the situation continues to deteriorate.

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Ricardo,

Thank you for clarification.

Now to solution.

Your solution for our current country problem is DEMOCRACY.

Very good. That is my solution too.

Your implementation of solution is current Cameroon model. IT HAS FAIL ALREADY.

My implementation is CANADA MODEL. This is working.

Canada model is good and similar (French/English). It work well. A Cameroonian Maka Kotto is 2004 member of Parliament from Quebec.

Let us copy what is working. Throw away current Cameroon system that has fail.

Thank you.

NAN...

Riccardo


If someone thinks DEMOCRACY is not the best option we have.
What do they propose?

ARM STRUGGLE ?

These people should buy they arms where ever they aree and go fight that war.

As a brother Andre said, he should not live abroad enjoying peace, tranquility and prosperity thinking that my poor people in Cameroon should be dying for his political ambitions.

If you call for hate and violence, GO DO IT YOURSELF...
My people (Anglophones and Francophones) will not die for your political ambitions.

A Bon Entendeur, salut!

Riccardo

Riccardo

Brother NAN,

I agree with you. That model can be implemented only with the principles of Democracy.
With DEMOCRACY, WE CAN DO A LOT FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN.
Calling for division is very dangerous at this point!

Don't you agree? If any time we disagree with a GOP, we divide ourselves into Kingdoms, where are going to end up?

Some people talk about Marriage? Can you dissolve a marriage that has never existed.?..

We were ONE family before. It is just like the Germans saying East and West are married.
NOOOOOOOOOOO! It is just natural that the Germans form One Country today....
Germany was divided into 3 or 4 different parts (British, French,American and Russian I believe, correct me if I am wrong) but they still unite and form One Country.
That is a Classical example of what is happening in Cameroon. But we are stupidly (sorry for my language) doing the reverse.
We have to clean up the Corrupt Government (by the way, I do not believe that all of the Members of that Government are corrupt).
Then, we will democratically do whatsoever we want to (amending our Constitution if needs be) etc....
The rule of Laws will prevail...
We will clean up our Gendarmerie, Police Forces and Security Forces and retrain them to serve and protect our citizens and our democratic principles...
We will preserve our Peace and Tranquility...
We will seek social Justice and we would then move our Country into the 21st century..
It will benefit ALL of us (Frncophones and Anglophones).
We will repair all injustices and reconcile our society to trust, fire and hire our Leaders.
It is a WIN/WIN SITUATION FOR ALL OF US CAMEROONIANS.

DEMOCRACY IS A WINING OPTION FOR US!

Riccardo


Riccardo

Brother NAN,

I agree with you. That model can be implemented only with the principles of Democracy.
With DEMOCRACY, WE CAN DO A LOT FOR OURSELVES AND OUR CHILDREN.
Calling for division is very dangerous at this point!

Don't you agree? If any time we disagree with a GOP, we divide ourselves into Kingdoms, where are going to end up?

Some people talk about Marriage? Can you dissolve a marriage that has never existed.?..

We were ONE family before. It is just like the Germans saying East and West are married.
NOOOOOOOOOOO! It is just natural that the Germans form One Country today....
Germany was divided into 3 or 4 different parts (British, French,American and Russian I believe, correct me if I am wrong) but they still unite and form One Country.
That is a Classical example of what is happening in Cameroon. But we are stupidly (sorry for my language) doing the reverse.
We have to clean up the Corrupt Government (by the way, I do not believe that all of the Members of that Government are corrupt).
Then, we will democratically do whatsoever we want to (amending our Constitution if needs be) etc....
The rule of Laws will prevail...
We will clean up our Gendarmerie, Police Forces and Security Forces and retrain them to serve and protect our citizens and our democratic principles...
We will preserve our Peace and Tranquility...
We will seek social Justice and we would then move our Country into the 21st century..
It will benefit ALL of us (Frncophones and Anglophones).
We will repair all injustices and reconcile our society to trust, fire and hire our Leaders.
It is a WIN/WIN SITUATION FOR ALL OF US CAMEROONIANS.

DEMOCRACY IS A WINING OPTION FOR US!

Riccardo


Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Ricardo,

Sorry to not agree.

I do not see democracy is workable in current Cameroon model.

There must have check and balance for it to work. The government have to respect the law.

In good democracy if someone cheat they are punish. If someone fraud they go to prison.

That is not in Cameroon model.

We have to change model to have good democracy.

That is why I vote for SDF 4-State federation with Canada model.

Thanks you.

NAN...

Riccardo

Mr Nan,

I am glad that you voted for the SDF.
When I say DEMOCRACY, I believe a Corrupt Regime that does not do anything for the people should be voted out of Power.
An Independant Supervisory Board to conduct the Elections in Cameroon. (That is not the case now).
Real elections should take place in Cameroon.
I also believe the Canadian Model will be good for Cameroon.

Riccardo

Charles Forkwa

There is no evidence that everyone that advocates armed struggle is hungry for power. Sometimes armed struggle is the last resort.
And since we do not know the background of these advocates it will be unwise to dismiss them as "those living in peaceful countries" willing to put others in harms way.
The ANC model in South Africa is a good example of a successful two prong approach taken by an opposition party. The political arm persued peaceful resolution while the military arm countered the evil deeds of the goverment in power. So are you to tell me that the people of South Africa would have been better of without this sacrifice?

Ma Mary

Hello Mr Andre Fankam:
I think that you and your ilk (Riccardo and Henriette) are not listening simply out of heedlessness and arrogance. Janvier is not listening because he is zoned into an archaic intellectual construct with no relevance to the questions at hand. NAN is starting at the right place thinking about this, and this issue would have been thrashed over a decade ago, if la republicans were not so busy believing their own myths and slogans while drinking our blood dry. Please, do not look for me. Keep yelling here at each other.

I am a rather busy person, and will spend my intellect and creativity to keep developing peaceful vehicles to extricate ourselves from your franco-camerounese claws. You do not care to listen now; what says you will listen in Janvier's future utopia, or will it be Kamerunisch dystopia?

I shall drop in from time to time to check on your progress, but I am not optimistic. Over a decade ago, I had interactions with Camerounese fellows such as yourselves. Nothing has changed.

NAN, good luck with these.

Ma Mary

Martin

I find it interesting to agree with Riccardo and Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN) that the Canada/Quebec model is good for Cameroon. This is nothing NEW. This is a well trodden idea.

In recent history, the people of Quebec have had at least 2 referenda giving them an option to quit Canada. The 1980 and 1995 Quebec referenda put to public vote, in close succession, the role of Quebec within Canada and whether Quebec should pursue a path toward independent statehood ("sovereignty"). It was brought forward by Quebec's governing party, the Parti Québécois (PQ), which strongly favoured secession, and approved by two other parties, the federal Bloc Québécois and the Action démocratique du Québec (ADQ), and various other organizations.

The latest Quebec-wide referendum took place on October 30, 1995, and the motion to pursue Quebec's independence was narrowly defeated by a 50.58 per cent to 49.42 per cent margin. Therefore, the people of Quebec have consciously and consistently voted to go with Canada. That is open democracy at work

Now, let us turn to Cameroon. Do we agree that the People of Southern Cameroons will have a referendum to determine whether the majority favour pursuing an independent path (restoration of sovereignty) or want to stay in the partnership with La Republique du Cameroun?

Martin

Paul Matoko

Martin, that is a good question to the Camerounese. Our failure is not the lack of models to copy but the outcome of incompetence, dishonesty and dictatorial tendencies by the French speaking majority.

Let me add that the Quebec province-wide referendum of 1980 took place on Tuesday May 20, 1980. The proposal to pursue Quebec's secession was decisively defeated by a 59.56 per cent to 40.44 per cent margin.

Canada is a great and democractic country. The Southern Cameroons problem deserves a democratic solution. The divide is getter more severe with time at the expense of both LRC and Southern Cameroons.

Paul

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Martin,

I support that Anglophone state should have special status like Quebec in Canada.

I do not support that Anglophone State should have secession power like Quebec.

In Cameroon today if you make referendum, Anglophone state will vote to go.

Many Francophone think this is joke. Even Anglophone in government will vote for secession. They are all hypocrite who only want to eat the money like Paul Biya.

That is why for national unity Anglophone state should not have secession power now.

The sentiment are high with Anglophone now against unity state of Cameroon.

May be we do experiment with Anglopone State special status for 50 year and then test referendum if they are still wishing to go.

I think Anglophone State will vote NO to secession after 50 year of special status in 4-State federation of democratic Cameroon.

Thanks you.

NAN...

john smith

We are at this point of no return due to the stupidity of La Republique. Their inaction and blatant refusal of the Anglphone problem led to the creation of the SCNC after the AACI and AAC II.

If we are called Biafrans, "ton anglais la, moi je ne comprends pas", why call for national unity when Ricardo and his country men are the ones preaching and practicing hate in all forms. We are Biafrans as they say then,"let my people go".

Ricardo, bilingualism in Cameroun is for the anglophones not for FROGS. What's the percentage of FROGS that can speak English. Let's start with late Ahijo and Paul. Have they ever addressed the nation in English? Listen the the francophone minister, their English is horrible. Needless talk about the eloquence and fluency of the English speaking minister from Pa Achida to Mafanyi to Inoni to the lecturers in the university down to the student in secondary schools.

Ricardo and CO should rest assured that if anglophones know were to put money to arm a wing of the SCNC, we will do it.

Further, I am calling on anglos to start thinking of letting members the US senate and congress no of their plight. We can through this means also put some pressure on the regime.

john smith

NAN,

Your are right about the referendum issues. I know you advocate for the Canada solution without the possibility of secession.

Ricardo and Co should know that should there be a referendum today, only the refugees from the LRC may vote no. All anglos even Inoni will vote yes.

FROGS YOU ALL BE CAREFULL THE WAY YOU PLAY WITH THIS MATTER. HENCE, THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE REFUGEES IN THE SW WILL BE WITHOUT A STATE.

Paul Matoko

Mr. Nji Ahmadou Njitam, I follow your argument very carefully.

Why would La Republique du Cameroun, herself a pre-beneficiary of the United Nations resolution 1514 (XV) guaranteeing the principle of self-determination of all peoples, seek to become a de facto colonizer of the People of Southern Cameroons ?

Isn’t such occupation also against pre-plebiscite agreements between JN Foncha and A. Ahidjo and against LRC’s note verbale of 1960 to the UK Government? Is LRC truly lawless?

I figure out that the SCNC have worked out your posture. That is why they are moving this case towards international arbitration. The “Federation” ended between 1972 and 1984 but La Republique, as has been written by others, continues to maintain an agent administration and armed forces in Southern Cameroons against the wishes the people in the former UN Trust Territory.

That is begging for trouble and trouble shall come!

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Paul Matoko,

You know my position.

I agree to all the problem listed.

We form federation in 1961. Francophone Ahidjo and Biya violate federation agreement.

Do not forget Foncha, Muna, Achidi, Fonka Shang, Musonge, Inoni are part too. They are not francophone.

My position is that we propose solution to repair it.

Anglophone want secession and civil war.

Francophone do not want that.

we need consensus to construct better model like Canada that will work.

Taking sentiment now and doing secession does not help.

Propose other solution from secession.

Thank you.

NAN...

Martin

NAN,

I don’t think the LRC/Southern Cameroons dispute will go away in 50 years. It will be worse, judging from the determination within Southern Cameroons indegenes.

Remember that in 1984, there was dissent from one Fon Gorji Dinka and the Ambazonian Movement. By 1994, the All Anglophone Conferences, judged illegal meetings by Yaounde,went on to found and mandate the Southern Cameroons National Council to fullfil certain nationalist objectives.

By 2004, the SCNC successfully sued La Republique du Cameroun at the African Court of Human Rights. The opening paragraph reads”. The substance of the complaint of the people of the Southern Cameroons is that the rights recognized to peoples under the African Charter on Human and Peoples’ Rights have, for the people of the Southern Cameroons, been suppressed by Republique du Cameroun (the Respondent State) through domination and colonization in violation of the Charter; and that Republique du Cameroun is guilty of a series of gross, massive, continuing and reliably attested human rights violations in respect of named citizens and groups of citizens of the Southern Cameroons”. This is a serious charge in a pattern of escalation.

No peoples have ever accepted second class status in the land of their fathers. That is why, per your candid admission, even Prime Minister Inoni Ephraim will in a referendum vote for the RESTORATION of sovereignty to Southern Cameroons. Such natural justice is irrepressible and indomitable.

Martin

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr Martin,

The serious charge you list to the African Human Right Committee also apply to Pygmee of East, Tchoa Arab of North or Mbororo of Adamawa and Bamenda.

I know you say these are not State like Anglophone state but the Cameroon government was violate everybody human right.

Our solution is not secession.

We can do better.

Thank you.

NAN...

Paul Matoko

NAN wrote “…We form federation in 1961. Francophone Ahidjo and Biya violate federation agreement”.

That is a fresh piece of honesty. NAN you are an enlightened man. You have to remember that members of parliament from Southern Cameroons are called “Nigerians” in Yaounde with impunity. Your realistic approach is bound to be a minority position and therefore inconsequential.

NAN also wrote”…Do not forget Foncha, Muna, Achidi, Fonka Shang, Musonge, Inoni are part too. They are not francophone”.

Here, NAN is deliberately disingenuous! The above-named Southern Cameroons politicians were appointees and had no real executive power. Southern Cameroons politicians who dissented were either sidelined (JN Foncha), incarcerated (A. Mukong) or poisoned (Hon. Jua). Even the UN Human Rights Committee was shocked by the treatment of Mukong and levied fines against Yaounde. The list is long and sobering.

Nji Ahmadou Njitam (NAN)

Mr. Paul Matoko,

I agree I may be minority position with Francophone for now.

I will work hard for convincing my brother and sister francophone of my position.

I believe Foncha, Muna, Achidi, Fonka Shang, Musonge, Inoni are part of problem.

Why is Anglophone saint and Francophone devil? All of them cause state to fail.

Do not blame one side only.

If you do not precipitate situation with secession and civil war, we will find consensus.

We will find working solution.

We will live together in Cameroon unity.

Thank you.

NAN...

Riccardo

Ma Mary,

You sound very pessimistic about the future of Cameroon. Just like any Separatist Group, they always tend to depict a very negative picture of their opponents.

John,

Why are you so stucked with BIYA and AHIDJO in Cameroon affairs? So if Biya addresses the people in English the way you want then Cameroon is a Bilingual Country.
Have you ever listened to OBASANJO of Nigeria speaking English? That is an English speaking Country.
You tend to deliberately take out of the equation the people of Cameroon in your analysis.
In my opinion, it is a miscalculation.
People will not just want "DIVISION" because they are poor.
You underestimate the analytical capacity and the will of my people (Anglophones and Francophones).

Martin,
I believe with Democracy, we could have this problem solved. The solution is first integrate or you integrate into our society as True Patriots, honestly help the Progressive Cameroonians wipe out Corruption, nepotism and tribalism.
Then have transparent democratic elections to have a President and the General Assembly.
True and fair election supervised by a True and Independant Electoral Committee.
That means your Group joins the Democratic process, have your People campaign to be elected by the PEOPLE.
Then, in the General Assembly you could push your ideas to be addressed as matter of Public concern.
Then through the Democratic Process, the people will decide if they like your ideas.
Sounds fair??????? I believe this a path to a peaceful and lasting solution for the people, by the people.
IN DEMOCRACY, DECISION MUST BE TAKEN BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE.

Qui dit mieux?

May God Bless you,

Riccardo.

Martin

NAN

You make a seminal error by reducing the gravity of the problem to that of the pygmies of LRC, Tchoa Arab of LRC or Mbororo grazing cattle in the Adamawa plateau.

The listed entities were never UN Trusteeships and are the integral components of La Republique du Cameroon as of independence on 1 January 1960. Part of the Mbororo are integral to Southern Cameroons as is the case for border tribes all over the world.

Do you have a basis to argue that the Pygmies of LRC or Tchoa Arab of LRC should co-exist with LRC along the lines of Quebec/Canada?

In this confusion that you find yourselves today, the attempted annexation of Southern Cameroons by LRC will be defeated on the force of argument now and justifiable action later. This is brutal expansionism and is inadmissible by civilized people.

RICCARDO,

The past 44 years leave Southern Cameroons with no appetite for your diet. Even Prime Minister Inoni will vote pro-Southern Cameroons as NAN attested!

When you Francophones talk of CEMAC and look to the East, we as Anglophones see more nexus with the West and ECOWAS. You want and build roads to France Afrique, ie. Bangui and Njamena. The Southern Cameroons want roads to Abuja, Accra and Pretoria. Basically, there is no more faith in the Union. The fragile gourd called FEDERATION has been irreparably broken.

Martin

Riccardo

Martin,

What makes you believe that I am a Francophone? Is it my name?
Let's stop profiling people.

REMEMBER THAT YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERY ANGLOPHONE CAMEROONIAN HERE.

I SPEAK AS A PROGRESIVE CAMEROONIAN, AND PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIANS ARE PATRIOTIC CITIZENS OF CAMEROON. MY GROUP HAS MEMBERSHIP OF PATRIOTS ANGLOPHONES AND FRANCOPHONES. We do not discriminate.
We are for a better Cameroon.

Don't be naive Brother Martin.

Not everybody in Cameroon will buy your ideas or my ideas... We know that.

You will be surprise to see that people in your village might reject your ideas as well and some Francophones might find them attractive.

This is where your Group fails: always putting this problem as FRANCOPHONES and ANGLOPHONE PROBLEMS.
IT IS A BIG MISTAKE...

Riccardo


Riccardo

Martin,

What makes you believe that I am a Francophone? Is it my name?
Let's stop profiling people.

REMEMBER THAT YOU DO NOT SPEAK FOR EVERY ANGLOPHONE CAMEROONIAN HERE.

I SPEAK AS A PROGRESIVE CAMEROONIAN, AND PROGRESSIVE CAMEROONIANS ARE PATRIOTIC CITIZENS OF CAMEROON. MY GROUP HAS MEMBERSHIP OF PATRIOTS ANGLOPHONES AND FRANCOPHONES. We do not discriminate.
We are for a better Cameroon.

Don't be naive Brother Martin.

Not everybody in Cameroon will buy your ideas or my ideas... We know that.

You will be surprise to see that people in your village might reject your ideas as well and some Francophones might find them attractive.

This is where your Group fails: always putting this problem as FRANCOPHONES and ANGLOPHONE PROBLEMS.
IT IS A BIG MISTAKE...

Riccardo


Paul Matoko

OPEN QUESTION TO RICCARDO !

In your approval earlier of the Canada/Quebec federation, Martin asked.."Do we agree that the People of Southern Cameroons will have a referendum to determine whether the majority favour pursuing an independent path (restoration of sovereignty) or want to stay in the partnership with La Republique du Cameroun?

Riccardo, answer this question. Don't be evasive. Answer this basic question.

Paul M.

Henriette

What is "the People of Southern Cameroons?"
What is "the People of Ambas Bay?"
What is the "People of Ambozonia?"

Are you talking about people born in a specific region of Cameroon, a specific province?

Tell me Paul Matoko


Henriette

Riccardo

Paul,

My opinion as we discussed earlier is:

*We have to first build up a Democratic Country. Transparent elections supervised by an Independant Committee or Commission.
*True Democracy in our Country will weed out all these Corrupt officials. A True Parliament that represents the people will be in place.
*Hopefully your Group will integrate the democratic process by having some of your Members in the Parliament. Means the people will have to elect you... You will not take unilateral decisions for the people of who so ever you think you are defending their interst...
* You will face the challenge of campaining for your ideas...
*Then if the Representatives of the People decide your issue is a matter of public concern, it could be put on the bal lot box.
This True Parliament will have the mandate to amend our Constitution and make the Laws of our Country.

This is true DEMOCRACY...

To make it simple: IF THERE IS DEMOCRACY IN OUR COUNTRY, OUR PARLIAMENT DECIDES TO PUT YOUR IDEAS ON THE BALLOT? YES...
WE ALL HAVE TO ABIDE BY THE LAWS OF THE COUNTRY...
Make no mistake, there will be people in your own village who will reject your ideas as well as some Francophones who might find it attractive.

I will surely vote for NO... But your YES or our words will not be final.
The People as whole will decide....

GOVERNMENT BY THE PEOPLE FOR THE PEOPLE...

DEMOCRACY IS THE BETTER WAY TO SOLVE ANY POLITICAL PROBLEM...

IT IS COMING IN CAMEROON... YOU BETTER BE READY..

Did I answer your Questions?

May God Bless you,

Riccardo

Paul Matoko

Riccardo:

There is an inadmissible and assimilationist presumption in your response. You have ignored the fact that "La Republique du Cameroun" and "Southern Cameroons" are separate entities.

What Parliament are you talking about, Yaounde Federal, Yaounde/East Cameroon or Buea/West Cameroon?

How did we get to be in one Parliament in contravention of the Federal Constitution, note verbale to the UK Government and pre-plebiscite agreements copied to the United Nations?

You cannot build any country on illegality. My parents voted in 1961 and I see that their good faith has been compromised.


To Henriette:

The link between Ambas Bay, Ambazonia and the Southern Cameroons has been explained before.

There are many people and groups working to de-annex the Southern Cameroons from the clutches of LRC. These include the Cameroon Anglophone Movement (CAM), the Southern Cameroons People Organization (SCAPO), the Southern Cameroons Youth League (SCYL), the Ambazonia Movement (AM) in addition top the Southern Cameroons National Council (SCNC). No people have ever accepted 2nd class status in the land of their fathers.


dango tumma

ahmadu ahidjo njikam,

YOU TYPICAL FRANCOPHONE THOUGHT FORM,
I THINK THROUGHOUT THIS FORUM THESE TERMS HAVE BEEN DEFINE, THEY WERE DEFINED LONG
AGO, BY THE BRITISH AND FRENCH HERITAGES
OF THIS PARCEL OF REAL ESTATE AND THE NATIVES THAT LIVE THEY, I ALSO THINK YOU ARE
OLD ENOUGH TO KNOW THEIR MEANING ANY WHERE
YOU SEE IT WRITTEN, THERE IS A COMMONWEALTH
AND THERE IS FRANCOPHONIE, YOU WOULD ALSO
QUESTION WHAT THESE CLUBS ARE, OR SIMPLY THEY DONT MAKE ANY SENSE, WE ARE AFRICANS
WE SHOULD ABIDE BY OUR NATIVE OR TRIBAL AFFILIATION. THATS TYPICAL FRENCHMAN THINKNIG DANCING AROUND REALITY IN ORDER TO BUY TIME, HOW IS ANGLOPHONE OR FRANCOPHONE IMPORTANT IS LIKE ASKING HOW IS BREATHING IMPORTANT TO US AFRICANS, BECAUSE, ALL TALKING , WRITING, GOVERNING
CULTURE HAVE BEEN SHAPED BY THIS EXPERIENCE
GOOD OR BAD, I THINK LOOKING FORWARD IS A GOOD THING, THIS FORUMIS MADE POSSIBLE BY THE USAGE OF ANGLOPHONE LANGUAGE, WITHOUT WE
WONT BE ABLE TO TRADE WITH OTHER NATIONS AROUND THE GLOBE.
SOO, ASKING WHO IS ANGLOPHONE?
DOESNT MEANS NJIKAMDOESNT KNOW THE ANSWER
HE REALLY MEAN WHO IS PATRIOTIC TO HIS LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN. ASSUMING IT ALSO COMRISES SOUTHERN CAMEROONS WITH ITS ANGLOPHONE CULTURE AND SYSTEM. THIS IS NOT
ONLY DISHONEST TO REALTY AND HISTORY IS SICKENING, AND MAKES THE ANGLOPHONES PHD HOLDERS FEEL AS THOUGH THEY ALL KNOWS NOT MUCH OF WHAT THEY ARE SAYING,
NOW ,WE HAVE TWO MIND SETS
THE NJIKAAM. RICARDO. ANDREW POKAAM , AND HEN-RAT,,, WHO SEES THE WORLD THIS WAY, AND ALL THE ANGLOPHONES IN SOUTHERN CAMEROONS FEDERAL SINCE TIME AT HOME AND ABROARD, WHO SEES THINGS THE
OTHER WAY.
CLEARLY ONE GROUP HAVE TO BE RIGHT AND THE
OTHER HAVE TO BE WROUNG.
WHICH GROUP IS IT?

AHMADU NJIKAM GROUP,,,,,ONE CAMEROUN
NO ANGLOPHONE STATE,

GROUP B.. MYSELF AND ALL SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS, .. SOUVEREIGNTY, NOW. LIVE
FREE OR DIE
CLEARLY PSYCHOLOGIACALLY, PHILOSOPHICALLY
WE ARE PARTING SEPERATE WAYS,, WITH
TIME,, NATURALLY, IT WILL EXPLODES.
AND I CALL ON THE ANGLOPHONES TO TAKE TO HEART, AND NOT BE TAKEN BY SURPRISE, AS THEY DID IN 1963 WHEN THE CAMEROUNESE
RUSHED IN THEIR TROOPS AND GERDAMES, TO
OCCUPY THEM INDEFINITELLY, THEY MUST BE PREPARE TO SACRIFICE IN MATERIAL AND IN BLOOD, TO CONTRIBUTE TO BUY ARMS, RIGHT NOW I KNOW ATLEAST TWENTY WESTERN COUNTRIES READY TO SUPPORT US FOR OUR STRUGGLE. BUT WE HAVE TO INITIATE, WE HAVE TO MANAGE IT
WE HAVE TO WANNA FREE OUR SELVES BY ALL
COST. WE JUST CANNOT SURRENDER OUR LIVES
TO FOREIGNERS, BECAUSE THEY ARE AFRICANS, THEY DONT SEE US AS FREE MEN, THEY SEES US AS ANIMALS AS, PETS THEY CAN ALWAYS CONTROL. RULE, ABUSE, AND EXPLOIT IN ALL IMUNITY, SOO, IF WE CONTRIBUTE 2O DOLLARS PER PERSON WE ARE CLOSE TO SIX MILLION TODAY 2005, WE SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRAIN YOUNG MEN OUTSIDE THIS JUNGLE TO CAME BACK AND TAKE WHAT IS OURS BY BIRTH
RIGHT, AS SOME ONE SAID IT, CARELESS ABOUT WHAT THESE AGENTS ARE SAYING, THEY ARE JUST TRING TO BUY TIME, MEAN WHILE THEY ARE RAPPING OUR SCHOOLS. OCCUPYING OUR TOWNS , CHANGING AOUE LAWS TO FRENCH, NEVER RESPECTING OUR FUNDAMENTAL RIGHT, OF OWNERSHIP OF THIS LAND,
WUTH THEM ACKNOWLEDGING OUR RIGHT TO EXIST,
FIRST, WE HAVE NOTHING TO TALK ABOUT.
WHEN WE DRIVE THEM OFF, THEN THE DEBATE WILL BE ON THE THE SOUVEREIGN TWO STATE-TO STATE. AND THEY WILL GIVE ALL OUR DUE RESPECT, AS A PECULIAR PEOPLE
WHO CHOOSE TO OWN THEIR DESTINY WITH THEIR OWN HANDS THE ANGLOSAXON WAY.

Dr Grace Odine

Thanks Paul Mutoko, Martin, John Smith, Ma Mary, Dango Tuma and others for debunking the presumptions and pretences of Riccardo and co.

These tiger-ish neighbours like to talk of Cameroun in the calculated assumption that ANNEXATION and ASSIMILATION are a “fait accompli”.

In attempting to give them multiparty democracy on 26 May 1990, their troops shot 7 unarmed Southern Cameroons citizens in Bamenda, lest we forgot. The hall of heroes includes:

1) Fidelis Chosi Mankam,
2) Nfon Edwin Jatob,
3) Tifuh Mathias Teboh,
4) Juliette Sikod,
5) Asanji Christopher,
6) Toje Evaristus,
7) Clement Wacho alias Sule

When Paul Biya rigged elections in 1992, declared himself winner and placed the winner John Fru Ndi under house arrest, where was Riccardo & co? The Report by the US National Democratic Institute is a watershed.

Those who forget history repeat the mistakes of the past. A tiger does not give birth to lambs! Once a tiger always a tiger and seeking blood.

Viva the Southern Cameroons National Council. May God bless your peaceful approach.

Dr Odine Epie

Henriette

Ambas Bay group,

You guys are so detached from Cameroon as a whole, you need to take a honest look at our society. It's a shame that in broad daylinght you talk about apartheid in Cameroon, Slabvery ("ohh! yeah sir! go to Bafoussam, they employ slaves from Buea in their plantations, they buy them on the slave market in Douala" "Oh yeah sir, go to Bertoua, they park us in low class neighborhood, the stores in yaounde won't let us buy nothing, believe me" "I tell you sir, mary our daughters by force, and they have to take french sounding names")
Stop lying please. Your agenda has no future, it is based on lies.

You are trying to play an Anglophone/Francophone dichotomy in a biased construct to fit your selfish ambitions to gain power. Go ahead and give $20 to Donga Tumma, to buy guns and build suicide bombs...and we will see how many cameroonians you will be able to recruit for your lies.

Your Ambas Bay group is very unpopular in our country because Cameroon citizens will never let a bunch of adventurers destroy their Nation. Never!


Cameroon O Bosso!!


Henriette

john smith

Ricardo,

With all due respect, WHAT IS THE WILL OF THE ANGLOPHONES? I still repeat let there a referendum and the results will be clear.

Ricardo may be you want to tell us that Obasanjo addresses the Nigerian nation in Yoruba not English.

Identity is a factor of the union or marriage between a group of people. As president you lead by deeds not words, you lead by example. Frogs can't even construct a phrase in English.If you can dispute the point that the anglos and more bilingual than the frogs then, you are a not progressive as you claim to be. Frogs could have had interest in learning English if their leader Paul had shown an example.

Some of the FROGS come here and seek asylum under the banner of the SCNC. Why?

RICARDO AND HENRIETTA, I KEPT TWO OF YOUR COUNTRY PEOPLE WHO GOT HERE FROM CAMEROUN AND WERE STRANDED BECAUSE THEIR RELATION REFUSED TO ANSWER THEIR CALLS. I PROVIDED THEM SHELTER, FOOD, TRANSPORTATION AND HEALTH FOR FIVE WEEKS. THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT USING THE SCNC FOR TO APPLY FOR ASYLUM. I TOLD THEM POINT BLANK, THEY ARE NOT ANGLOS AND SHOULD NOT DARE ELSE I WILL BE THE ONE TO HAND THEM OVER TO THE IMMIGRATION.I MADE A MISTAKE, I COULD HAVE CONTACTED YOU TO TAKE THEM IN. HOWEVER, WITH THE HELP OF SOME ANGLOS, THEY LEFT TWO WEEKS AGO FOR DC TO MEET ANOTHER RELATION. I LEARNT THEY ARE AGAIN STRANDED, PLEASE CONSIDER HELPING THEM. THEY CONTACT ME AGAIN BECAUSE, LIKE YOU FORE FATHERS, THERE WORD APPRECIATION AND THANK YOU DOES NOT EXIST.

Point of correction, because we say the marriage is over does not imply we are poor. We have the highiest literacy rate and a higher middle class. I will be glad if you can correct your miscalculation.

Janvier Tchouteu

Those who died in Bamenda on May 26, 1990 were not for the cause of an independent state from the North West and South West provinces. They were not Southern Cameroon advocates.

John Smith wrote above that, "Ricardo and Co should know that should there be a referendum today, only the refugees from the LRC may vote no. All Anglos even Inoni will vote yes."

Therefore, if we have to take from John Smith and co, the so-called refugees from LRC who made up 3/7 or more of the deaths of May 26, 1990 were automatically against splitting the country up. In that case, they were for a future new kamerun as union nationalists against the evil system, who reject the political actions of Ahidjo and Biya from 1958-1990.

Take it that I am an advocate of an independent Southern Cameroon and at the same time, I am a realist. What are the likely scenarios?

1) An independent Southern Cameroon would be better off "in the long run" than being a part of the present day anachronistic system of kamerun. But that would be the case if it is a smooth ride to independence that harnesses all the developmental or positive forces in that region and the good will of the rest of kamerun and the largesse of the international community like the case of Eritrea which became a part of modern day Ethiopia after the defeat of its colonial master Italy and its incorporation into the former Abyssinia, or the former Portuguese colony of East Timor that was invaded and occupied by the former Dutch East Indies colony(Indonesia) . If it is not a smooth ride, it would end up like people-depleted and unrecognized states such as Abkhazia, Trans-Dniestr, and Nargony Karabakh etc that are more miserable than before.

http://www.bbcworld.com/content/template_clickpage.asp?pageid=2644&home=1

Besides, an attempt at armed conflict is likely to end up in defeat and likely international trials of war crimes because those likely to lead an armed-struggle are the hate-filled and not the progressives. There would be massacres, ethnic cleaning, plundering, rapes etc. The hallmark of wars in Africa. Even if the armed conflict ends in victory for the secessionists, it would be after a long-dragged conflict that would devastate the country and create scars that may never heal. Angola, Bosnia, East Timor, Mozambique, Rwanda, Tadjikistan Guatemala, Nicaragua. Cambodia etc are still trying to recover from their civil wars, processes of recovery that takes decades.

2) Accepting the status quo is another option. Kamerunians of all shades, ideologies, religions, tongues and regions do not accept that adoption because it is a slow suffocation of the people.

3) Changing the system. That is the safest bet and third scenario. History, time, the inevitability of change, logic and humanism stand for that option. It is less costly and makes the exponents better human beings because it advocates working together to make a better future for our children. However, that cannot be achieved with divided ranks

My position over two decades has been the same. A federation for kamerun, a Kamerun federation that respects the country’s linguistic entities and ethnic affiliations that would comprise regions and provinces, where the central government would use the original Kamerunian concepts to advance the nation; where the Kamerunian ideal would be applied to bridge the difference in development of her Anglophone and francophone regions, build a genuine bilingual ethos, and revive a unique Kamerunian identity from the different ideas and actions of the adopted French and English cultures as a model for the future united Africa. This federation of regions comprised of autonomous provinces would be one where the rights of minorities – both indigenous and settler – are respected. The new kamerun federation would institutionalize democracy, liberty, freedom, economic development, social harmony, unity and a shared sense of common purpose. Through a progressive and strong democratic central government committed to protect Kamerun's biculturalism, while at the same time promoting its bilingual character, the new kamerun would be the vanguard in the drive for economic union and political harmonization of Africa.


Merry Christmas and a happy New Year my dear compatriots.

Dr A A Agbormbai

This SC protagonists' strategy of undermining the good governance programme in Cameroon without giving it a chance to succeed or fail is a very bad strategy for their cause because it pits them against the Bretton Woods institutions who are the originators of the good governance programme and who are the chief members of the UN security council.

In doing so they are telling the world that they are not only fighting against LRC but are also fighting against the UN (when they should be seeking their support). This is very bad, and ill thought out!

Paul Matoko

Janvier,

I forgot who wrote that "anyone armed with a hammer sees every problem as a nail". Like the annexationist regime in place, you and Riccardo share the common tiger trait of baying for blood or conjuring an atmosphere of blood when faced with tough issues! Ain't you got a democratic and legal back bone?

The basic contention is that the Southern Cameroons do not buy your unionist bait. It is a formidable poison chalice.

In as much as you prejudge the outcome of a Quebec-type Referendum in Southern Cameroons and disapprove of it, you and the Paul Biya regime are partisans in the annexation of a sovereign people and in contravention of international law.

A peaceful and international process is in motion to de-annex the Southern Cameroons. A peaceful process, it must remain because the tiger is bloody in mindset, past action and is a harbinger of death. The only metric for reasoning by the tiger is the fear of death. Cowards die many times before their death.

Paul Matoko

Agbormbai,

Pro-Southern Cameroons leaders and debaters enforce good governance. SC leaders and advocates actually provide one of the litmus tests for Bretton Woods Institutions to distinguish between practitioners and pretenders of good governance on the continent.

FYI, Bretton Woods Institutions are mostly interested in states to repay their loans and care less about human rights. IMF structural adjustment programs focus on dollars not spent, and not the number of people served. The theme is austerity, not democracy and not socialism.

The UN is obviously an advocate of good governance and human rights but within the remit of international law.

You would agree with me, for the sake of intellectual honesty, that by embracing affiliated institutions of the United Nations, such as the African Court of Human Rights and the Unrepresented Peoples Organization, the people of Southern Cameroons are deliberately seeking a cure to their grievances within the remit of international law.

The Agbormbai charge above is therefore baseless.

MC

LAUGHING IN PAST TENSE!

All those who have decided to spend their time laughing in past tense should go ahead.

Building castles in space,day dreaming and living in imaginary kingdoms,sorry for you all, keep on wasting your time on facts and things which will never come to existence.Ashia!

If you are not happy in Cameroon or ashame of having a Cameroonian passport,quit in peace and space our beloved country.We are proud of our country despite all the odds.

Southern Cameroon,SCNC,Ambozonia,(name the rest).
Used all your slogans if you wish to seek for asylum abroad in harmony and space us!

We will miss you but can not bear to see our country destroyed.We wish you joy and happiness wherever you choose to go.

Adieu!

Ndiks

OPEN QUESTION TO RICCARDO !

In your approval earlier of the Canada/Quebec federation, Martin asked.."Do we agree that the People of Southern Cameroons will have a referendum to determine whether the majority favour pursuing an independent path (restoration of sovereignty) or want to stay in the partnership with La Republique du Cameroun?

Riccardo, answer this question. Don't be evasive. Answer this basic question.

Paul M.
Matoko, these colonisers are good at evading tough questions.It shows how cunning they are as far as our struggle is concerned.Nji Ahmadou et al,the history of the two cameroons will not be turn to your beckonings.The four federation myth is already in the dustbin.You cannot divide our country and then try to merge it with bafoussam and littoral province.This your cunning road has been noted.Tell us why Cameroun République is not adherring to law,84/001 of 4th February 1984,HCB/28/92, and Military Tribunal Judgement chaired by General Semengue and asked Gerontocrat Biya to Withdraw from Ambazonia to Biya's dismay.How could Janvier say now that he is an advocate for Souther Cameroons?Who will believe you sir.Is it the very Janvier Tchouteu of Unionism?CHINEKE! There is nix like good governance programme in Cameroun by IMF.The good governance here means that ,sell your state institution at a pittance,sell your water,sell your post, sell your power company, give land ,and stop production,consume only,buld mor poverty.If Dr AAA did not know this type of good governance by Multinational Tight-Knit like IMF, infelicitous.

"In doing so they are telling the world that they are not only fighting against LRC but are also fighting against the UN (when they should be seeking their support). This is very bad, and ill thought out!"DR.AAA

Wrong!repeat Wrong! The UN has sempre,and is failing in it's own obligations as far as AMBAZONIA'S PLIGHT IS CONCERNED.You are not informed much Dr.AAA.Go to NY and verify if you are serious with your write-ups here.Ambazonia's charge against LRC is unopugnable.UN itself shares the blame.WE need to do research work.Reason why Henriette,Ricardo Alvario,Janvier,keep recycling rigmaroles like Democracy,one and indivisible, unity,progress,o bosso, with their noses in the air.Chumps.

mukete

Even if a group of oppressed people has a right to determine their destiny, that determination can NOT only be based on THEORY. PRACTICAL INITIATIVE is the main issue in this.

Southern Cameroonians have been talking and talking. We have been writing tons of literature about the past, present and future of Southern Cameroon. What next? Do we keep on writing and talking on facts? All these THEORETICAL BATTLES will lead Southern Cameroon nowhere unless they are FINALLY supported by PRACTICAL BATTLES.

I personally believe that it is NOW time to deliver, and when I mean to deliver, I am referring to PRACTICAL ACTION. I think it is now time for Southern Cameroonians to start proposing what PRACTICAL STEPS to be taken to liberate them from the bondage they find themselves.

Whether Muna, Foncha, or Mr X took us into this mess, IS NOT, FOR NOW, important. Whether the Republic du Cameroun is doing what, for now, is not very important. Whether the Germans, the French, the British, the United Nations or even Nigeria, did what is not, for now important. I think we know these stories even before many readers in this forum were born. It is the same stories we keep hearing every day and in every corner. I see no need going to church on every christmas eve if the preachers ONLY lecture about the birth of Christ. This is something I knew since 1957 when I was preparing for doctrine classes. To be going to church every christmas eve to hear this same story - over and over-, to me, is a waste of time.

True, knowing the history of a people is important. But is that what Southern Camerooonians want now? History? Facts? Who DID what? Who was wrong? Are these the priority now? Are we still waiting for the entire Anglophone community to be wiped out before we take action? And if so, who will be those left for the action? Do we need to justify to la Republic du Cameroun that something went wrong before we liberate ourselves from any slavery we find ourselves? Do we need to get the green light from la Republic du Cameroun before we take our destinaty into our own hands? Do we need to be compensated for the wrongs committed by Ahidjo, Muna, Foncha, Egbe, Britain, France, the United Nations, etc. before we liberate ourselves?

Do we ......?, and the questions continue

It is interesting reading the cases of other countries in this very forum: East Timor, Namibia, Erithrea, South Africa, etc. etc. Did these contries end at the level of Theoretical and literary battle before liberating themselves? Did they need to justify their claims before obtaining their freedom? They took practical actions to the extend that the international community and the United Nations had no other choice than stepping in to avoid disaster. These oppressed people went out into the streets and to the places that mattered most, just to TAKE their liberation. They NEVER ASKED FOR THEIR FREEDOM? They TOOK it. They never begged for it. THEY IT WAS THEIRS. Judging past history was not the most important for them. Judging past politicians was not the most important for them. What was most important was "HOW" and "WHEN" to take in possession something that was theirs. The "How" was the use of PRACTICAL ACTION and the "When" was the moment they realized that they were oppressed.

Southern Cameroonians had realized that they are been oppressed since many many years ago, even when most readers to this forum were born. It is not now we are realizing that we are oppressed. The "WHEN" had far past. By crying the way we are doing, we may simply be weeping over spilled milk. Excuse me!

Now what is left is the ACTION.

Able Southern Cameroonians should use the reservoir of creative reasoning they possess, to define PRACTICAL ACTIONS FOR THE LIBERATION EXERCISE. This is want future generation will gain from us. Tons of literature and theoretical facts, alone, is no going to prepare a better place for the future generation.

The time for theoretical debate has past.

MUKETE

Riccardo

Dango, Odine, Paul and co,

In your rage and frustration against the People of Cameroon, you are again miscalculating the reaction of my people to your ploy to destroy our Country.

You have choosen a wrong time and you have no winning strategy.

If you want to fight a battle or incite to political violence, please rmember remember that no one in our Country is going to fight for you.

1) Leave America (or where you are now) and go back to Cameroon to fight your war.
You will be faced with the full power of the Cameroon National Defense Forces.
2) You will be amazed to see that your own brother or sister will turn you in to the Authorities.
3) Cameroonians (Anglophones & Francophones)do not believe that your hate and division will solve their problems.
4) Watch out for fundraisers they are not always honest. They might be facing some financial challenges and using the cause for their personal gains.
5) Do you remember the REPUBLIC OF TEXAS SEPARATIST MOVEMENT?
Does that tell you something ?...
5)No UN member State will endorse your call for hate and distruction of Cameroon.
6) If you count on Nigeria to help you....
WRONG..... Another miscalculation... They will turn you to the Cameroonian People and say sorry to you....
After all, we helped them crush their Separatist Movement like yours many years ago. They owe us a favor.
7) No Government will support a Group that uses the message of hate and violence and does not believe on Democracy.

There is your option:

Join a the Progressive Cameroonians in changing Cameroon peacefully.
Democracy will help decentralize Cameroon. It will boost our economy, social harmony and peace.
You group could either grap this opportunity to impact the lives of the people you said you are defending (if that is true) or miss the opportunity and live in a dream that will never realize.

LONG LIVE A PEACEFUL AND DEMOCRATIC CAMEROUN!

Riccardo

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