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Dr A A Agbormbai

This is a shocking article! All state corporations that are not performing should be privatised. Their managers should be sacked and replace with good quality material.

All incompetent and undeserving employees should be sacked and replaced by competent personnel. All corrupt managers who have embezzled money should be arrested and tried, following an audit, and all their embezzled incomes should be reinstated.

Fritzane Kiki HK

Dr Agbormbai,
No amount of sacking or dismissal of personel will be favorable to solve this delemma because most of them are avoiding criminal charges by hiding behind the CPDM party robes.It is rather unfortunate that despite these allegations and revelations of corrupt practices and practitioners,the government is adamant and remain passive to take judiciary and legal actions against those who cannot produce accountability or proof of ownership to their assets.Corruptive practices cannot be curbed if the supreme powers,"nouveaux riches" and other CPDM pundits are containing power and have the rank-and-file vote and morestill control the financial regulatory mechanisms in the government.

They have the veto power,they are incharge of financial and socio-political manoeuvres and intrigues,so they have the 'bread and the knife'.They will always therefore safeguard their interests in the political landscape for selfish and personal gains.Despite all these intracacies we know it is never too late for the people to speak out and unveil these nonchalant government bigwigs, who takes their position for exploitation and embezzlement of state funds and properties.

Fritzane Kiki
Hong Kong

rexon

Frtizane,

Thanks for clarifying Dr Agbormbai. I have been avoiding sending comments in these forum since i spent last week working with the swiss banking institute and the university of Zurich and had the opportunity to meet some strong guys who showed me some of the illegal properties acquired by henchmen of the regime in and around lausanne. You see, what we see in relation to corruption by that la republique du cameroun's group of occultist is never believed and understood by some. It wanders me how on earth someone as lended as Dr AA can believe that something good can ever come out of that corrupt junta and group of criminals. Embezlement is their culture and way of life. Anyone who reasons with them is only doing so because he is selfish. There is nothing good that can come out of that very corrupt government. They dont know any good word. In la Republique du cameroun that i know very well, there is no functional government, judiciary, legal system, economic policies, democracy, etc. Whenever and whenever these things exist, they are only in papers and ideally, they are only there to influence corruption. Even our cry in this forum and all over the world will NEVER be listened to. those corrupt group of occultist have no human concience. Here polycarp Abah Abah is summoning people who are part and parcel of the very corrupt junta that have been mismanging the lives and aspirations of a whole generation to speak about corruption. what a hell is all these??????????? It is just like some fools in this forum listened to a sex predator like Dr Ngoh when he came out with a stupid list claiming to be those who have faked UB degrees. And when some of us want to expose the truth, the hidden truth in this forum, the post is quick to employ choice of words to deny us the right to expose scams that have been going on in la republique. As far as i am concerned, i will never be fooled again by those corrupt group of occultist. Those who want to listen to the likes of Dr AA are merely doing so at their own risk. When Fon Doh was sentenced dramatically, i told this forum that he will not spend any prison terms. Today, you guys have seen the results. That is la republique and we cannot deny it.

eyallow

Well, i do hold with Dr AAA. The situation in Cameroon is salvagable. We must believe in that else, no reforms of any sort will save Cameroon!

First, what has to be done in Cameroon is to put into place an immediate system where by people suspected of embezzlement of state funds are immediately charged and investigated. Sacking them if found guilty is the first step, freezing their bank accounts, followed by asking them to pay back all money embezzled back to the state should followed. after which they must serve time in jail accordingly.

By implication, exemplary action will sooner or later inculcate a sense of discipline into people. Consistency generates believe and enforces the will of the people to achieve success!

We cannot kill all Cameroonians that have been involved in corruption. I once had to pay a clerk working at the SDO's office at Buea after begging to no avail for him to just take my documents in to be certified by the big BOSS. A service for which i had already paid by buying several fiscal stamps.

Regardless of the situation and even though it was against my will, I feel just as guilty as you who is derobing the state of millions of CFA a month. It is the whole system that is crazily corrupt and not an individual. This is what we must realise and we have to feel it from inside in other to understand the effects of our actions on others. After i paid for my certificate to be certified, i skipped a day's meal being a poor student!

Not only managers should be therefore targeted for corruption. Corruption that directly hits the poor man on the last rung of the social and economic laddar is the worst and most despicable kind of corruption; the police that rob the poor drivers of 500 CFA,the clerk at the SDO's office who robs a poor student, the police commissioner who jails a student for having problems with his teenage girlfriend etc!

The Government should embark on some sort of a random sorting process, so that no one is ever sure who will be charged next. Will it be the SDO, the Government delegate, the chief of service, the headmaster or the taxi driver giving 500 frs to a police? Such an unpredictable procedure will keep everyone alert.

Note, corruption has always existed and can never be eliminated in any system on earth, but can be minimized and this can be made to work in Cameroon. I can vouch that those of us through flying daggers and pointing fingers in here must at some point been involved in a corrupted act. However if you stood up and final realised your fault and made amendments, then that is the right attitude. In life we fall but we have to get up and continue. The falling anf rising process is continuous until you can rise no more!

It is therefore no shame if those that have been deeply involved in corruption suddenly take a turn for the better! Humans are humans and we have a certain degree of endurance beyond which we break and accept our fate! Therefore i still believe that Cameroon can be salvage if we instil the right mentality, the right approach to solving issues etc.

When i read this forum a bulk of the people that point fingers never raise pertinent questions or suggests pertinent solutions to the quandries that bedeck Cameroon.

Food for thought!

rexon

Eyallow Wrote,

"I can vouch that those of us through flying daggers and pointing fingers in here must at some point been involved in a corrupted act. However if you stood up and final realised your fault and made amendments, then that is the right attitude. In life we fall but we have to get up and continue"

Since everybody has seemingly been involved in corruption, say for example through bribing a police officer like my driver was recently forced to do in Nkongsamba, should we not point fingers to those who are protecting the system to satisfy their own selfish desires? it is the regime that first tries to point fingers at people in the first place. We saw them doing that with UB degrees. Then what is wrong if we also do that by telling them of the billions in bank accounts in europe? La republique corrupt junta has proven to us that they are above guilt. we have seen them release a criminal overnight (Fon Doh). In cameeroon, you can only go to prison if you dont have money to bribe members of the judiciary. even if you openly kill someone, you will be freed if you have money to bribe the judiciary, thus it is important we acknowledge that we need to clean the whole system in a very hard way, rather than proposing measures that will not work.

eyallow

Hi Rexon,

You re-echo my words beautifully. I do not support that we, the people that the government has misled sit and watch them plunder our beautiful country mercilessly or that people be left to rot in poverty! I am advocating for a change and it must come through the right means. It must be well thought of..Throwing fly daggers might just hurt just anyone!

My simple argument is that for corruption to be minimized in Cameroon (because it can never be eliminated) every single citizen of that country has to take an introspect account of their demeanour and sort out their priorities in life vis a vis everyone else and thier civil duties.

I will keep on insisting that those who bride public officials for services are just as guilty and corrupt as those public officials that take those bribes.

When Mandela was imprisoned, he could have been easily freed if he had sucuumbed to his desires for life outside of the can and then live a life in everlasting bondage thereafter. The title of his book no easy walk to freedom clearly reflects what i am saying.

What has happened in Cameroon is that the common man has surrendered his rights to the public officials. In so doing, those that have positions of power are deemed as semi-gods that no one dear challenges. We bow down to their whimps and caprices.

The only way to stop these officials from corrupting us is to first of all realise that we are committing a terrible crime by pay brides to them for services that are ours by right. Such mass recognition of our rights together with mass action can not go unnoticed. If we stand firm not to give brides regardless of what we do, i am sure these people will at one point break!

Take for example, if a syndicate of lawyers pledge to support victims that have proven cases of forced bribery from public officials so that such cases can be tried in law courts regardless of how the system resist, it will break. Even if the official brides his way out, the simple action will send a message for others to be cautious. We dont have the inner strength and those that can lead the way are only talking drums.

I truely believe that you have a great thinking mind. Great thinking minds solve problems by evaluating the issue at hand, propounding possible solutions and carrying them through. The mentality of that money and bribery will get you anywhere in Cameroon which you echo in your response in my previous post is the typical mentality that has condemned you and me to endemic poverty, bribery and corruption. The common man must change his idea about the power of bribery in Cameroon.

Solutions need not only come from the top. Why doesn't the poor man stand and say, since public officials have resolved to bride taking, we have resolved not to give brides? This is not an action that one person can take. It must be collective. Let them jail all the taxi drivers and see what will happen to the system in one day. Let them jail of the intercity transporting drivers and see what will happen. Collective action is what is lacking in Cameroon. What is the driver's syndicate for? What is the labour union for? Those are the people that can lead us out this shamble!

Again, if people surrender their rights rights to a barbaric system, they will be victimized! Black south Africans didn't, Collective action paid off. Afro-Americans didn't, collective action paid off!

Above all, collective action won over Hitler. It written all over in history!

eyallow

Hi Rexon,

You re-echo my words beautifully. I do not support that we, the people that the government has misled sit and watch them plunder our beautiful country mercilessly or that people be left to rot in poverty! I am advocating for a change and it must come through the right means. It must be well thought of..Throwing fly daggers might just hurt just anyone!

My simple argument is that for corruption to be minimized in Cameroon (because it can never be eliminated) every single citizen of that country has to take an introspective account of their demeanour and sort out their priorities in life vis-a-vis everyone else and remember thier civil duties.

I will keep on insisting that those who bribe public officials for services are just as guilty and corrupt as those public officials that take those bribes.

When Mandela was imprisoned, he could have been easily freed if he had sucuumbed to his desires for life outside of the can and then live a life thereafter in everlasting bondage . The title of his book no easy walk to freedom clearly reflects what i am saying.

What has happened in Cameroon is that the common man has surrendered his rights to the public officials. In so doing, those that have positions of power are deemed as semi-gods that no one dear challenges. We bow down to their whimps and caprices.

The only way to stop these officials from corrupting us is to first of all realise that we are committing a terrible crime by paying bribes to them for services that are ours by right. We must distinguish tips from bribes! Such mass recognition of our rights together with mass action can not go unnoticed. If we stand firm not to give bribes regardless of what we do, i am sure these people will at one point break!

Take for example, if a syndicate of lawyers pledge to support victims that have proven cases of forced bribery from public officials so that such cases can be tried in law courts regardless of how the system resist it, it will break at some point. Even if the official bribes his way out, the simple action will send a message for others to be cautious. We dont have the inner strength and those that can lead the way are only talking drums.

I truely believe that you have a great thinking mind. Great thinking minds solve problems by evaluating the issue at hand, propounding possible solutions and carrying them through. The mentality that money and bribery will get you anywhere in Cameroon which you echo in your response to my previous post is the typical mentality that has condemned you and me to endemic poverty, bribery and corruption. The common man must change his idea about the power of bribery in Cameroon.

Solutions need not only come from the top. Why doesn't the poor man stand up and say, since public officials have resolved to bribe taking, we have resolved not to give bribes? This is not an action that one person can take. It must be collective.

Let them jail all the taxi drivers and see what will happen to the economy in one day. I doubt if the taxi drivers actually know what an important service they are providing! Let them jail all the intercity transporting drivers and see what will happen. Collective action is what is lacking in Cameroon. What is the driver's syndicate for? What is the labour union for? Those are the people that can lead us out of this shamble!

Again, if people surrender their rights to a barbaric system, they will be victimized! Black south Africans didn't, Collective action paid off. Afro-Americans didn't, collective action paid off!

Above all, collective action won over Hitler. It is written all over history!

rexon

Eyallow,

Your points raised above makes much sense.

Dr A A Agbormbai

What a brilliant mind you have Eyallow! Don't mind Rexon. He can only see negatives or problems, but not positives or solutions.

It is crystal clear that collective action is missing in Cameroon. There is too much docility among the people. They take everything lying down.

If they really want to speed up reforms they have to take a more active role in the process. They cannot just sit down and wait, and continue to participate in and encourage wrongdoing, and then expect wonders to happen for them.

I have tried my own very best to correct the system, but if the Cameroonian people just sit and keep watching then they cannot complain if progress is slow.

Like you said, collective action led by trade unions or some other relevant bodies will certainly expedite the progress of reforms. However, such actions must be as peaceful as circumstances allow.

The actions will demonstrate that the people mean business. Thus far, nothing of the sort has happened.

Without this push, the government can feel confident to release Fon Doh from prison; it can also feel confident to slow down the fight against corruption.

It is noticeable that in spite of the tons of evidence of government officials owning massive foreign bank accounts and owning multiple expensive properties abroad no action has been taken to deal with these officials.

We have not heard the government seek the assistance of the international community to bring these crooks to book and confiscate their stolen assets. And as far as I know the international community is willing to assist the government.

rexon

Truly Dr AA., I believe you are universally intelligent. But to say you understand african political dynamics and its solutions can be an overstatement. You seem to be someone who belong to the progressive CPDM. While those people preach good ideas, they know they are just playing time to steal our resources. That is where the problem is. Have you read Tayong's story about the tortoise? That is how la republique francaise du cameroun functions. We will talk, talk and talk, they will not listen to us, the southern cameroons will still remain a colony, etc. Have you read the column where charles Ndongo is criticising Voulmeka? That is a man who now preaches positives or solutions simply because he wants to get rid of someone who has not given him the powers he deserves for him to exercise his evil intentions.

In this forum, very few of us understand how to deal with the criminals that have been destroying our lives. Peace, dialogue, internet discussions is least of their worries. I understand how that very corrupt group of occultist operate. I have a long list of their forthcoming evil intentions. But i cannot spend my entire life telling africans that they plan this or that, etc. Some even preach here about democracy, Human rights, freedom of expressions, Privatisation, democratisation, democracy advancee, etc. I doubt if they actually understand the meaning and origins of those words. They are what i describe as choice of words and they are only used effectively when evil occultist want to colonise the minds and aspirations of the poor and helpless. The earlier africans get real about the real cause of their problems, the better.

eyallow

Hi Rexon,

It is always fascinating reading your comments. I am always baffled by the confidence you exude. I think that is a positive attribute and will be particularly useful if this is carried through with fruitful actions. We must not support bloodbath!

Individually, we all have our beliefs and ideologies, that is one thing we humans have to grapple with, we must accept that we are all different and therefore we must compromise to live in peace. Therefore dialogue is a must, conflict solving, forgiveness and punishment schemes are a must! We need to always carefully measure the effects of our actions on others something i have come to learn over time.

Now if we slip pass these attributes, we are heading straight for disaster, because the society will degenerate into chaos.

In the last paragraph of your last message, you said the earlier africans get real about the real cause of their problems, the better.

Can you succintly spell out what the African problem is and possibly give tips on possible measures to fight the cause of this problem? I am very interested in this debate and i assume that if you know the cause of a disease you can find a solution to it.

Democracy in Africa is newly founded, freedom of expression in Africa is at its brith, education for all in Africa is on the rise and so is technology but still far away from being attained.

It took the western world several hundreds of centuries to get where they are today while we were busy hunting wild animals and fighting tribal wars.

Most African nations came in touch with modern civilization about 400 years ago (If you read Darwin's book on natural selection, then Africans were despicably called Savages-I get annoyed when i read this i must say!. But that is the truth, when Darwin was proposing laws on natural section, we were still living in dark ages. This is just to give you an idea of the time frame difference between western civilization and Africa in general. We only gained autonomy abut 40 years ago.

Now based on this premises, I will say, African governments are still going through experimental stages and accounts for all their floundering, inability to management and all the bad governance.


Only through constructive dialogue, testing and trying hypothesis, critism that we will finally attain economic success. As of now, i dont know any success economic model that is operational in Africa. DOnt we have African economists? Warring will only take us back many many hundred years behind.

I must say that i am apolitical and what i want for Cameroon is a country where all can share in the national cake. I enjoy the diversity of the cameroonian nation, including its french and english heritage!

Whether we break away from french cameroon or not, Cameroonian managers of both the english and french spoken word still have alot to learn on how to be responsible citizens and on how to manage state resources. The learning continues for the sake of the future generations!

eyallow

Hi Rexon,

It is always fascinating reading your comments. I am always baffled by the confidence you exude. I think that is a positive attribute and will be particularly useful if this is carried through with fruitful actions. We must not support bloodbath!

Individually, we all have our beliefs and ideologies, that is one thing we humans have to grapple with, we must accept that we are all different and therefore we must compromise to live in peace. Therefore dialogue is a must, conflict solving, forgiveness and punishment schemes are a must! We need to always carefully measure the effects of our actions on others something i have come to learn over time.

Now if we slip pass these attributes, we are heading straight for disaster, because the society will degenerate into chaos.

In the last paragraph of your last message, you said the earlier africans get real about the real cause of their problems, the better.

Can you succintly spell out what the African problem is and possibly give tips on possible measures to fight the cause of this problem? I am very interested in this debate and i assume that if you know the cause of a disease you can find a solution to it.

Democracy in Africa is newly founded, freedom of expression in Africa is at its brith, education for all in Africa is on the rise and so is technology but still far away from being attained.

It took the western world several hundreds of centuries to get where they are today while we were busy hunting wild animals and fighting tribal wars.

Most African nations came in touch with modern civilization about 400 years ago (If you read Darwin's book on natural selection, then Africans were despicably called Savages-I got annoyed when i read this i must say!. But that is the truth,

when Darwin was busy proposing laws on natural selection and Malthus proposing sound economic laws, we were still living in dark ages. This is just to give you an idea of the time frame difference between western civilization and Africa in general. We only gained autonomy abut 40 years ago.

Now based on these premises, I will say, African governments are still going through experimental stages and accounts for all their floundering, inability to manage, flimsy managers and all the bad governance.


Only through constructive dialogue, testing and trying hypotheses, critism that we will finally attain economic success. As of now, i dont know any successful economic model that is operational in Africa. Dont we have African economists? Warring will only take us back many many hundred years behind.

I must say that i am apolitical and what i want for Cameroon is a country where all can share in the national cake. I enjoy the diversity of the cameroonian nation, including its french and english heritage!

Whether we break away from french cameroon or not, Cameroonian managers of both the english and french spoken word still have alot to learn on how to be responsible citizens and on how to manage state resources. I am not sure we will realise that in our life time but the learning has yo continue for the sake of the future generations!

R_Pio

Thanks Yallow for your bright contribution....You will be supprised by the effect. It hasn't end here on the internet. You will remember I said this soon. For rexon, we need both forces to operate, negative and positive, you provide use with one, I live you to figure out which. Thanks boys.

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