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Monday, 29 January 2007

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Tita Mofaw

Pure nonsense,
How could the administration allow something like this to happen? You lock up an old woman in a room for two days with a corpse. Then later on she tells you what you want to hear and people say she confessed?
If Africans were so good at witchcraft I wonder why they are lagging behind the rest. If we don't start giving reason a chance to the things that we do I beleive the next one million years will pass and the streets in that country will remain unpaved.
In the 21st century people are still fooled by superstition.We only know how to turn around and blame Paul Biya for not doing this or that, meanwhile our very lifestyle and belief system is the greatest impediment.

Akoson

Tita Morfaw whether you like it or not there's the other world. You're a lay man so you can't know. If you wanna belive join us!

felix

This is none sense.
Akoson I think you equally belief that there is no developement beceuse witches are holding it in one part of the country or so.And of course witch are responsible for the retarding SCNC progress.
Why not look for witches equally to put an end to biya life since you know them very much.Biya you claim is the number 1 enemy??.

Are you equally telling me that it was because of witch craft that you are able to use a computer to comunicate?
Or you are equally telling me that when a young man get sick and dies it because of the work of the invisible hand-witchcraft??.

Akson the Einstien of London School of Economics please help write a scientific account to give us a clear understanding on an insde to witchcraft.
Stop calling people to join you in the Dark.

Tita Mofaw

The only answer those who adhere to this superstitious nonesense can give you Felix is that Biya also has his own witchcraft.They would say la republic has a stronger witchcraft and that is why SCNC cannot succeed.

The death of that young girl has already been blamed on witchcraft so it is no surprise that most of the people who fall sick and die in our country today is because of witchcraft.The worst one is when the illness could not be diagnosed the general conclusion is that it is witcraft.Nobody at this juncture would care to admit that the hospitals in Cameroon are equipped with outdated microscopes which can hadly detect anything different from malaria parasites.Even in America's complex hospitals with the most advanced technologies they are still unable to diagnose so many illness but never would they attribute an unknown course of death to witchcraft.

The reason why the enlightenement (about 300 hundred years ago) in Europe is considered the beginning of modernity is because that was the period when Europeans said goodbye to superstition. We all know the outcome-science and technological progress, because every arguement and action was based on logical reasoning.

But for us...nyongo,witchcraft etc still dominate our mode of thinking.While others are in scientific labs digging for the cure to AIDS, we are heading to kumba water at night to do sacrifices or burying dogs alife with the hope that it will cure us from AIDS.

C'mmon guys. let be real. This is the 21st century.if we really had such control over the super-natural we should have been able to move mountains, construct roads,generate electricity, build nuclear reactors.What suprises me is that with all this witchcraft we are still begging everyday for economic aids and debt cancellation.Oyibo should be the ones begging us not the other way round.

Or maybe you would say they have a stronger witchcraft? hahaaaa

Akoson


Felix, like I said you can't be out and then you wanna know about occultism and stuff. You know when you read African philosophy you'll NEVER get the answer to all these. You'll only get people assuming through some hypothesis nonsense. Get into it and you'll know the real things. I do not deny that some cases of death are often wrongly diagnosed and blamed on witchcraft but not all.

Tita Mofaw,

If you wanna know that witchcraft or black man magic exists I'll invite you to my home. Come with your gun well loaded and shoot me. It wouldn't work! Shoot the next person you'll send him six feet. This will be a simple example. I'm proud to be part of them. Witchcraft exists but unfortunately it is not constructive...it wudn't bring about development and stuff. Satan is not for development. Satan's there to destory. Witchcract is not of God but of the devil. I was initiated into it and if you think that there's a powerful man of God who can deliver me then tell me.

The Son

Tita Mofaw

OK monsieur,
where are you right now? we can do this little experiment overnight. If we happen to be in different places right now I guess some one in the forum will surely live in thesame city with you and we could ask him to pull the trigger.
another idea just came up my head.If you have that kind of power then we don't have to waste money in body armour for our police forces and soldiers.Unfortunately no African country can boast of having the kind of body armour that you claim to have.A simple peace keeping in Darfur is beyond their capabality because they are poorly equipped. Until today they are still begging for the US and UN to provide them with logistics.Or you want to tell me that the magic you have is not from Africa? Africa should use it in their army.The emptiness of your claim lies in the fact that so far it has not been demonstrated anywhere in Cameroon which makes it a baseless claim.

When North korea claimed to have military sophistication they demonstrated it to the world and even used it to rob shoulders with their rivals.But when Africans claim to have black magic they tell us that they can do this or that with it while in reality we find a bunch of helpless miserable people going around begging from one nation to the other.

Massa u should stop deceiving yourself about initiation.Everyday we show our support to striking students or workers in cameroon. Everyday we complain that innocent people are shot in cameroon. If you have some kind of magic that can protect people from life bullets then you should distribute them to those striking students or atleast stand infront of the crowd so that when the bullet is coming it should hit you and bounce back.if such a thing were to happen I believe you would be an international hero today.

Fon

Akoson, you must be out to entertain us today.
Tita Mofaw, it is generally believed that a witch can reach any part of the world to attack and kill a person using witchcraft; you would have asked Akoson who is initiated to use his witchcraft and vist you to prove its workability.

Akoson, there are always stories that witches have attacked and killed their relatives living abroad; which means they know all of abroad. If this is true, have you ever met someone who has never been abroad telling you vividly of how abroad looks like?
Sice you are initiated,visit my city and describe here what you have seen.

However,there are certain things that happen in African that are beyond my understanding. I have seen people who have been involved in "nyongo". Some decided to commite suicide when the demands were very high.
Akoson, let me contradict what I first said above by saying that I have had enough experience to conclude that "nyongo" exists. Those who don´t believe that there is witchcraft do not believe the bible because the bible talks of it.
Many will read what I have written and ask where I belong; the truth is that I am confused on this issue of witchcraft from personal experiences.

vito

Quite a tale.There's witchcraft alright and i think the sciences are simply the standardised form of it.This is the African intellectual's dilemma.
I hope the exiled lady doesnt die of butolinium poisining.

vito

sorry,...poisoning.

Akoson


Mr. Tita,

The ugly part behind these practices is that you don't show off. And it is not for the better. It is for destruction. It has its setbacks. It can't do all! That's what you fail to understand.

The Bible tells us about witchcraft like Fon said. If you don't believe that it exists then you don't believe the Bible.

I said JOIN to know best and not better.

I'm serious guys!

The Son.

Tita Mofaw

We are completely mixed up in superstition, be it the bible or witchcraft. Is even difficult for me to think that Africans believe in the bible because they hold it on one hand and carry their juju pot on the other. If they truly beleive in the bible and also in God then they would simply call on the almighty to be in charge of their lives.

I don't even want to go into the bible because that is another cloak that is blinding us.Strange to find out how Africans have embraced the bible today.Those who brought the bible to you have almost abandoned it but we hold fast to it as if it was invented by our fathers.A book who's content condemns the black man and was used to legitimise slavery and colonisation,yet non of us is bold to challenge it today.

The main point that you should know is that even those who wrote the bible (white people)they quickly realised the dangers of superstition and decided to draw a line between religion and practical issues of their daily lives.In all the other parts of the world when people have a problem, they go to court and argue it out in a logical way.Is only in Africa that people are still punished and executed today on the basis of some superstitious claims.

nahjela

I go die oh lol lol lol... the whole discussion is just too funny for words

Fon

Tita Mofaw,
That is interesting. You don´t believe the bible and you don´t believe the african tradition; so where do you belong?

rexon

They might not believe anything, but they might believe all that is NJFN. Ha ha ha.

Akoson

Tita Mofaw,

Your arguments always go without proofs. Can you quote verses and chapters in the Bible that legitimised the slavery of Blacks?

Waiting!

Akoson


Sorry...that legitimises the slavery of Blacks?

mirabeaubapi

hahahahahaaa,
that mum looks good in that casket
i wonder why she preffered regina have it
shame mami
witch thing

Ma Mary

This is backward mumbo jumbo of the powerless and ignorant. I am just about to perform an awesome magic. I shall press a button and you will instantly be able to read my thoughts around the world! Wow!

Maybe the village has bad juju water. We will never be able to know that magic in the water that causes them to die so easily. Maybe there is the magic of early death in the genes of that family. We will never know that either, because we do not have the magicians of genetics to look for that information.

On the other hand, we are great at the magic of fear and terror. This kind of magic is backward. This Bible cult can also enslave souls. Only Tita Morfaw has done the spells and invocations that freed his soul from this cult. He is now a really powerful magician, a magus. The rest of you, Keep following these middle east book cults. They turn you into maggots.

Ma Mary

Thank God for the great magic of the internet, there are leads. Does Bible justify slavery? NOW CHECK THIS OUT.

CHECK THIS ONE TOO about the biblical myth of Ham, often used by religious bigots in South USA to justify their practice of slavery and racial oppression.

Use YOUR brains and YOUR OWN heart. The treatment of this old woman is inhumane. I wonder what you will do with a crone like me who has rejected the middle eastern book cults.

Tita Mofaw

Ma mary thank you for corroborating the link between christianity and slavery of blacks in America.I did not think it was necessary for me to go into all the details because I assumed it to be common knowledge.

It is rather unfortunate that Akoson assumes that I make baseless assertions.I will be happy Akoson if you could point to some of the arguments I've made that are unfounded.

I don't know if you have heard of Jim Crow in the US south.For those who might be hearing it for the first time should know that it was the American Aparthied (worst than aparthied in South Africa) and the victims were blacks.After the abolition of slavery so many people still beleived that it was against the bible for whites to live in a relation of equality with blacks. So they formulated a new institution of domination which was highly endorsed by christainity. To cut the story short, those who want to know more about bible and slavery of blacks should visit http://atheism.about.com/library/weekly/aa112598.htm

Turning back to the above story, what I can say is that it shows not only the limitations of our ideological frame of reference (which is highly superstitious and oppressive to the weak,especially women).

What about the usual cry about human rights violation? Nobody thinks it is inhuman to lock up a helpless old woman with a corspe for two days in a room? Isn't this torture? If we compalain about gendarmes who make arbitrary arrests and beat up people so that they confess to things they did not do why shouldn't we also attack an ideology which endorses the locking up of an old woman with a corpse for two days?

Unfortunately we all take it normal and say it is black magic.If we truly beleive that this old woman had some supernatural powers to kill somebody, shouldn't we be afriad that she will use thesame powers to kill those who have banished her out of the village? Beside if she is guilty of using magic to kill somebody why shouldn't we use the same magic to punish her. I suppose there is some kind of magic that can be used for good so why not use it and leave this helpless old woman in peace.The truth is that there is no such thing as magic and nobody really beleives that anything will happen to her supertituosly so they prefer to use brute force against her.

If she was my grandmother the entire village would have to kill me first before laying hands on her.The day that any mad person or village will pull a strand of hair from any of my kins esp. one who is a woman for alledge witchcraft then they will see broad day witchcraft from me. I will set the entire village on fire.

The greatest problem facing Africa today is an ideological one. we might succeed in off-rooting paul biya one day but if we don't accomplish an ideological shift we would stay right where we are for the next one million year.

Some of the greatest technological break throughs have been accomplished by women or people who's frame of reference transcend religion.Meanwhile we are the number one admirers (and also in dire need of technological innovations)we unfortunately hold fast to a system and ideology that relegate woman to a secondary status and also embrace religion in an uncritical manner.
Our true enemy is us.

Danny Boy

Ma Mary and Mr. Tita Morfaw,
thank you for the enlightening postings above. Can I also add that the Bible was used by the Afrikaans in South Africa to justify the evil APARTHEID. As for slavery and the slave trade, the Catholic church apologised not long ago on it's part in this dirty business. Slave ships were blessed by the pope or his representative before these set sail! Most magnificent cathedrals in Italy, Spain, Portugal and Britain were built from the church's spoils from these ventures.
As for colonisation, the late Jomo Kenyatta said, "they came with their bibles and taught us to pray with our eyes closed. Whilst we were doing this, they were busy grabbing our land." Do I need to say more?
Since then the African has been left holding that Bible.

Akoson


Ma Mary, Tita and Danny Boy,

I am writing to inform you that I've been a hell busy and will still be today and tomorrow. I gotta have a lil rest on Monday.

I'm inviting you both for a crucial debate on this issue. I just wanted those links and quotations which you've presented. I'm happy! I'll back all of them up one by one and you'll rush, pick up your Bible and follow salvation.

Whether or not the postnewsline posts other news here just come back to this particular news item and see my reactions. I'll be here!

Stay focused and may the Alimighty SAVE YOUR SOUL.

The Worshipping Son!

nahjela

Hmm, the links provided by Ma Mary and Tita have been a real eye-opener for me. I never did realise that slavery was so openly condoned in the bible. On the other hand, how would I have known, I've not opened the bible since I left high school, and then we didn't read passages such as the ones provided in those links. Na wah oh, I didn't believe that I retained the capacity to be stunned. But this has really taken me by surprise. I now have a completely clear conscience about abandoning my Catholic upbringing. You see, from time to time over the past years, I'd feel stabs of guilt when I think about my not believing in the bible anymore. At some point in my life, I just realised I was at odds with much of what was written in the bible, their stance on women, considering the fact that the bible was written by some middle eastern blokes, and now this (slavery). I could go on and on, but this is not the place. I'm just happy I am finally at peace with myself.
And in answer to Fon's statement about having to either believe in the bible or in the african 'tradition', by tradition, I take it that he means sorcery in this case, well surprise surprise I do not believe in either of them! And I'm sure I'm not the only African with such views. Dream on people. Wake up! Believe in yourself, believe in Common Sense, believe in Science which at least gives us proofs every time they make a claim. BTW, read that those scientists which we now celebrate Galileo et al were seen as enemies of the church, condemned and even excommunicated. The bible has a lot of dirty linen, end.

Danny Boy

Stay focused and may the Almighty Save Your Soul? From your believe in the occult, one would not think you were religious in the white man's sense of the word. I hope the day the Almighty calls you in, there will not be a struggle between your denomination and the traditional societies you have been initiated into, on who buries your corpse.
We will stay focused in the hope that you are not doing a runner. Do your research and we will be waiting. Ask Katakata to assist you. I am sure he has been watching this from the wings, not knowing whether to butt in or not.
This debate is important for this simple reason, do we debunk witchcraft and the bible and join up to modern philosophies or remain mired in the ideals of the past?
In passing can I say the Bible is a tome on the History of the Jew. I am African and a Cameroonian to boot! Promised land? Cameroon.Ethnicity? Widikum. Any further questions?
Akoson, we await your digest.
Danny Boy.

Danny Boy

Nahjelah dear, I am happy you have seen the light of day. As you try to understand the deceit of this jewish history, ask your Parish Priest to tell you about "indulgencies". The new churhes of today are based on this old fallacy that you can buy your seat in heaven, long practised by the the Roman Catholic Church. A reason for Hawkins et al to indulge in the transportation of peoples from their natural environments to nether lands without any sense fo guilt.
Read some more and you might join my movement to abolish the bible from our shoes.

Tita Mofaw

Just to add a tiny little point.I am not trying to scare people from their beleif system-be it christainity or so called African tradition.

My point is that we should be critical to the ideologies or beliefs that we inherit.Even science itself is a kind of religion but the small advantage it has is that not only does it welcomes a critique of it's limitations but builds on such critiques.
Most of what we consider today as "African tradition" is a system of belief that was once very central to the European's life style as it is today in ours.Have you heard of the Spanish Inquisition or witch hunting in Europe? see http://www.gendercide.org/case_witchhunts.html
Then you will know that what we are trying to hold fast to in Africa (in the name of African tradition) is not really a practice that is confined to today's Africa. It is a system of beleif that is known all over the world but has been abandoned by the "intellectually more developed" countries who have realised that it is a primitive system of beleif. I agree with them 100 percent eventhough it is rather shamefull that this primitivity is largely confined today only in Africa.

My point is that the rest of the world, especially Europe still beleive in different types of religion including christianity but the difference they have with us is that they are very critical about everything that they beleive in and therby try to shape those beleives to fit in the context of modern life.In addition religion is largely relegated to the "private arena of life"

But for us we are so confused that even a sheep seem to be better placed. You find people like Akoson for example who strongly beleive in African magic and claim to beleive in God at thesame time. These are two things which don't go together.When you see europeans fighting with moslems in the middle east and claiming that it is because of religion you think that either side actually cares about God?
They are just fighting for ideological domination because christianity just like islam are ideologies that have been tailored to give undue advantages to the whiteman and middle eastern people respectively.
If we want to be completely independent from the influence of these people (the white man and currently the chinese) then we have to build upon our so called Africn tradition and try to combine it with science. First we need to completely get rid of the kind of fear and terror that is characteristic of this black magic (we cannot go around locking up old women with a corpse for example).We can maintain those simple harmless rituals that normally takes place during cry die, born house,or weddings.But then when it comes to the public arena we must abandone this tradition and look up to science or logical reasoning.


tayong

Points of correction to all and sundry!

1.The bible and christianity aren't whiteman tailored nor a whiteman religion. God started dealing with Jews and Africans(Ethiopia and Egypt,Assyria(Libya)) before ever going to Europe ,Asia etc.Jews aren't even "whitemen" in the sense which you guys have cited.

2.Bible doesn't condone slavery in anyway'He who has a proof put it up.Paassges of scriptures that talk of slaves obeying their masters pertain to keeping law and order/submission and those passages go as far as stating that if the slaves desire freedom so beit.

3.Witchcraft isn't blackman science as my good friend said above. Whites , blacks ,indians,Jews etc practice witchcraft which is condemned by God.

4.Bible doesn't in anyway relegate women but men have done that out of egoistic male chuvinism. Blame cultures and not the bible.

5.Centuries have gone by and the bible remains the only book whose futuristic proclamationS come to fulfillment .No other book has performed this well! Therefore this isn't any meddle Eastern scholars' work but God's.

We need to stop looking for scapegoats for the ills that befelt the black race. We also need facelifts in our mindsets.Apportioning blame wont solve a ounce of problem but inflict more pains to already injured hearts.

We need healing words at this moments and not licking of wounds countrymen.
Cheers.
Tayong

Tita Mofaw

bible doesn't condone slavery?
Old Testament:
When a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately, the owner shall be punished. But if the slave survives a day or two, there is no punishment; for the slave is the owner's property. (Exod. 21:20-21)

New testament:
Slaves, accept the authority of your masters with all deference, not only those who are kind and gentle but also those who are harsh. For it is a credit to you if, being aware of God, you endure pain while suffering unjustly. If you endure when you are beaten for doing wrong, what credit is that? But if you endure when you do right and suffer for it, you have God's approval. (1Pet. 2:18-29)

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with fear and trembling, in singleness of heart, as you obey Christ; not only while being watched, and in order to please them, but as slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart. (Eph. 6:5-6)

Then goes the story of Ham which Ma Mary has already provided a link above which later on became interpreted as biblical justification to go to Africa and load black people on ships onto bondage.While in bondage the whiteman used the above passages and others from the bible to preach to them,urging them to accpet their slave role with humility because obeying your master was doing God's work.

And I don't see how the slave will even think of wanting to quit doing God's work by suggesting that he wants to quit bondage.That will mean disrespect to his master which according to the above passages is disrespect to God.

I hope the former slaves in the US who were loyal to their masters are now in Heaven. Since disobeying God is a sin, those slaves who bought their freedom using their legs or through mutiny must have disobeyed God and are surely today in hell. If that is the case the the christian God is surely a heartless and wicked monster.

Anywhere those of you who are so scared of going to hell one day should go out and start looking for a master to serve with the hope that it will give you a ticket to heaven.After all serving a master is doing God's work. If you have any trouble getting a master please contact me. i will be more than happy to own some few slaves myself.

Fon

Thanks Tayong, I enjoin Katakata to join the debate and safe the souls of those with little faith from the devil.I see the devil already smiling around.

Hi guys, the bible remains something of an enigma. Ask yourselves why the bible remains the only book that has not been revised.Concepts keep changing but the bible has stood its ground

Fon

Akoson,
please prepare hard because the whole issue is becoming very very challenging.

How could God have made everyone equal in his own image and went ahead again to categorize some as masters and others slaves? Could it not have been the other way round; no one will serve as a slave to the other?
I am also interested to know why God accepted some of his people to be slaves?
Tayong, take over

Watesih

Tita Mofaw,
Permit me come in here.Kindly put some of my worries to rest.

1. Ecclesiate in Africa was a ploy to include African belief systems,primitive rites into the other rites the church boasts of .Yes or no?
2. The whiteman boasts of many sects ,and some of our leaders have been transformed from beautiful people to half-wits because of these sects.How do you reconcile this image of dangerous entities,with the claim that African witchcraft is backward?
3.When there`s a difficult bridge to build,
the 'expertise' or do you want to call it the witchcraft of a whiteman is solicited.
He has to dive into the river at midnight to commune with Mamiwater.Building a bridge has to do with Science and logical reasoning,and a public affair,so why seek the benediction of Mamiwater?
4. Finally,how primitive,and shameful is African Tradition? What is primitivity,and what is it in it that will bare a stigma.
In their sects,they mostly use human blood.In our beliefs we mostly sacrifice goats,fowl,and human blood when it has to be deadly.Who is more primitive?

Fon

Tita Mofaw,
Answer this question before I declare my position and join the debate fully.The controversy above was just for us to brainstorm.
Which one is older; the act of slavery or the bible?
Any other person supporting Tita Morfaw can also answer the above question to level the ground for the debate
Man no run!!!

Tita Mofaw

I don't know if you guys are serious in your claims or you are just spicing the discussion with some comedy.

Turning to Watesih lemme go point by point:
1) I don't understand what you mean by Ecclesiate in Africa. What I do know for sure is that the whiteman came to subsaharan Africa with a bible that was already written and his mission was to blindfool us with this book.The writing of the bible did not take place in Africa and neither was it written by our kind. Otherwise Ham would not have been labelled the bad guy.
2)I did not say that occultism is confined to Africa. I even emphasised that religion-whatever type-christainity or occultism is still practiced by the whiteman today but then I pointed out that religion in the West has been relegated to the "private sphere". It means that if I tell you that "you go see-yam" and you die the next day, no court in America, or anywhere in Europe will accused me of witchcraft.Worst of all they would send your entire family to jail if they dared to lock me up with your corpse for just one second because they think I killed you with witchcraft.

I for one I practice yoga which involves some kind of rituals-like seating on the mat surrounded by ligted candles. But the philosophy behind yoga is not to get some kind of magical empowerment or abilities to do the unthinkable. It is barely an exercise which for me helps to relax my brain and maintain a pyschological and physical balance between my body and my brain (keeps the body in equilibrium).Nothing more and nothing less.Some people are able to archieve this by simply drinking a cold glass of water or taking a nap.But for an African eye a man in the middle of burning candles is surely invoking some kind of spirits to make him rich or bullet proof as somebody has already claimed or even to kill somebody.

3) the story about a bridge is completely baseless.I am not a construction engineer but I know the reason why we have very poor or no bridges in cameroon is surely not because we lack wictcraft (since we are the ones accusing old women)the reason is because we lack the technology.The lack of credibility in this witchcraft claims is because people would always say things are done in the night and that is why you cannot see. When next you see white people going to consult a mami water call the post to cover up the story and report to us.I used to hear those tales when i was a little kid and is surprise to come across it in a forum like this
4: my used of primitivity here is as a social science concept and to keep it simple I will say it is the negation of modernity (as used by the whiteman on those people or socieities they consider to be pre-modern). And which period are we really referring to as moderninty? The beginnng of the enlightenment in the late 17th century in Europe. This is the period when Europeans became critical about every belief that they inherited. They stated asking questions about why things were the way that they found them/inherited them. Before then everything was assumed to be natural and people just did things because they beleived it was supposed to be that way. That is how science got into the whole show and that was when religion-especially chrsitianity lost the centrality it occupied in Europe. what you see today is just a tip of the iceberg.

So primitivity refers to a life style that is uncritical and takes so many things for granted because people assume it is decreed by some supernatural forces-God or witchcraft and for that reason cannot be changed.This is a state of life which lives a society completely static and blocked from innovation.

for example, insteatd of looking for a logical reason to support your claim that witchcraft exist, you seat and fold your arms and keep mormuring that it is a kind of magic that you cannot see-only those who are in it can see it.This is completely bullshit and falls in the realm of a primitive thinking.

wordweaver

tita mofaw, the bible is not something to be interpreted literally. It was wrtitten by men who wrote according to the norms of their society at the time.Back in the day,they felt that it was ok to keep Egyptian slaves and that's why they tried to convince their slaves to stay faithful.This does not mean that it was the right thing to do. Take Abraham for example,he was a man of God but he had many wives and kept slaves.Opinions about the issue changed when Jesus came on earth and condemned such practices by preaching equality of all men before the lord.Previously, gentiles were considered as slaves and second classs citizens. Was it not Jesus who challenged the jews by telling them that the gentiles are equal with them? didn't he dine and eat with these people the jews considerd as unclean and sinners? Do not dare reduce christianity to some scanty passage you copied from the bible. Christianity is about the believe in God and not about some passages from the Bible.Christianity is about having God inspire you in your heart to love, respect and treat everyone with equality. It's not about some passages in the bible. Christianity is about having a conscience that tells you it is wrong to hurt your fellow man and not about flawed passages in the bible.

wordweaver

And as for rexon, you earlier said
"They might not believe anything, but they might believe all that is NJFN. Ha ha ha."
Why do you try so hard to turn all discussions into the political claptrap you like so much? Life is not all about politics.It's a balance of social, economic and political issues.So please, don't try to bring your political issues into this.I will advice you to just realx and not take everything too seriously. Do what your heart tells you but don't fight too hard to force your beliefs into everyone's throats with a shuffle.It dosen't work that way.

tayong

Tita Mofaw
I take you by the original debate . The passages you have cited abobe give no proof that such practice of slavery was between the whiteman and Blackman. The original debate dwelled on whiteman using the bible to justify his domination over blackman.

Secondly if you understood bible context you've seen that God's original people(Jews) were the ones that passage you quoted above is referring to not blacks from where the debate origianally ensued.

Thirdly "blackslave-whiteman master" was vehemently condemned by the missionaries who first came to Africa. Who then promoted it?White-man greed and African chiefs' "langa throat" . Humans exhanged for champagne. Great grand grand.....Tayong and great grand ......Tita greedy for whiteman whisky, "Oyibo" clothes, seeing his image on a mirror first time, eat cacomber, ginger and onions etc decided to sell their offspring for materials etc etc. Same greed continues today.Same "skapegoating" too!

Blame your ancentors not the bible Tita
Tayong

Danny Boy

Hi Mr. Mofaw, take heart you are not alone in this debate. You responded well to Tayong. If I may add, he seems to have come in mid-stream and has not bothered to read what has gone on previously.
In my earlier posting, I said that good book is about the history of the Jew. It is not the white man's creation, but he definitely used it to further his agendas.
The Afrikaans in South Africa will show you sections of the Bible that purport to justify their apartheid regime in this territory. Apartheid is just another name for slavery. Then you have the inquisitions. What were these for and who sactioned them? The Holy Roman Catholic church. Galeleo died in prison for stating the obvious. The earth was not the centre of the universe but the sun! This was anathema to the teachings of the church.
The bible says that the woman was created from man's rib. Why would man not treat the woman as a subservient?
As for the prophecies coming true, I can well remember the Jehovah Witnesses telling us that the world will end in 1975. I would rather believe in Nostradamus than in the prophecies of this lot. The Jew does not believe that Jesus Christ, the messiah, has come and goe yet!
As for the Bible standing the test of time, absolute codswallop. Mr.Fon, I am sure you have a copy known as the King James' Version. Why version, if this has not been revised. To add to your fun, have you heard of the "wicked bible"? Ask your parish priest or look it up. And for your information, there are still piles of scrolls to be translated. When that task is complete you will have another new version.
Watersih, could it be that the waters are calmer at night for any empirical measurements to be made? That is simple logic and the appliance of science!
As for you Fon, how old do you think man has been on this planet? The world was never created in 4004 BC. Slavery like prostitution are some of the oldest trades practised by man and are therefore much older than your bible.
It is a wonderful world.

Fon

Danny Boy,
King james version does not mean the Bible has been revised as is the case with other books e.g science books where concepts keep changing with new discoveries. I am afraid you don´t even know the meaning of "wicked bible" which you have referred me to it.

The quality and methods of printing in the seventeenth century were rather primitive in comparison to today. This lead to many printing errors in these early books, although they are not theological or transnational mistakes, they are still is worth a smile, and worthy of noting. King Charles I ordered 1,000 Bibles from an English printer named Robert Barker. Only after the Bibles were delivered did anyone notice a serious mistake. In One of the Ten Commandments [Exodus 20:14], a very small word was forgotten by the printers. The word "not". This changed the 7th commandment to say Thou shalt commit adultery!

The 1631 Edition of the King James Version,
"Thou shall commit adultery" [Exodus 20:14] and the Present edition of the King James Version, "Thou shall not commit adultery" [Exodus 20:14]

King Charles was not amused by the "Wicked Bible," as the infamous printing mistake was called. He ordered the Bibles recalled and destroyed, took away Barker's license to print Bibles and fined him 300 pounds [a lifetimes wages in those days]. Barker was out of business. Only 11 are left today.

Hope you understand the meaning and origin of the "wicked bible".Hence I don´t know your point about the "wicked bible" on topic under discussion. The changes in different versions of St.James were due to printing errors and not concepts. Therefore the Bible has stood the test of time.

Yes it is a common saying that slavery and prostitution are the oldest professions known by man; how do you come to the conclusion that slavery is older than the bible? "Slavery like prostitution are some of the oldest trades practised by man and are therefore much older than your bible."
In the above quotation, what is the relationship between slavery as one of the oldest trades practised by man and the age of the bible that has led to your conclusion " and therefore ..."

Let me tell you that it is not true that the bible was an instrument to justify slave trade between whites and blacks because it is an undisputable fact that before the white man ever had the means to reach Africa, the bible had long long been written; at the time when no white man ever knew that there was a continent like africa that he will trade on humans.

As I earlier said, the things of the bible remain an enigma.There are many things in the bible that we cannot question and come out with a head way like I earlier asked; why did God accept slavery given that all humans were made equal in his own image. It is only by faith that we can wordship God.

You and Tita Morfaw should not mislead those with little faith that the bible was a whitemans concept to legalise slave trade. Theology is a subject that has been widely researched and it has never been established and written anywhere that the bible was a thing to back slave trade as you claimed. Do you think that if the bible was built on falsehood, this would not have been already established?
Your frivolity is out of place on such a solemn issue.

tayong

Danny boy
Come good bros!To beginwith, good enough you rightly said Afrikans used sections that "purport" to justify aparthied. True man may attempt to thwart the bible to suit his whims and caprices but the truth prevails over lies and hate.Where is aparthied today? If it was of God it would've stood the test of time,but behold it crumbled like a pack of cards! Truth prevailed.It was of the devil not God.

As for Galileo stating the obvios get this right Danny boy. In the book of Isaiah the bible states categorically that earth is sperical in shape and goes further to conculde that the earth is the only life habitating unit(planet) thereby making allusion to Galileo's point. Im not Catholic .Howbeit dont mix human teachings with Biblical truths.

Voltaire the great French philosopher said 100years time the Bible would disappear from the face of the earth, ironically 100 years after his death his very centre for great minds is a bible production society!Check it out.

Well as for the Jews not believing in Jesus as the mesiah ,thats a long story but rest assured there's a different plan of the salvation of the Jews different from the Gentiles(you and me).

The scrolls you made mention of dont make part of the bible. The bible is one and unique. Those books are the apocryphers and not God inspired word.They came during the silence period between Malachi and Jesus' arrival and from philosophers who thought they too could tell God's mind, bible is unique.

As for the Bible standing the test of time, isn't about production of different versions but in the authenticity and fulfilment of its proclamations. Every jot of scripture comes to pass before our very eyes. Check them out!

About woman created from the man's rib,whats wrong with that? MR Danny boy whether you accept it or not they can't be two captains in the same boat else a shipwreck. God's demand for a woman obeying his husband and the man loving his wife is for order and tranquility to reign at home. As I said before the man's male egoism and chuvinism has taken advantage of this to run riot in the woman's world.It's not God's plan.

My dear countryman. Our woes are to blame on human wickedness not God.Call it slavery ,call it women maltreatment or whatever. Bible says God created everything good but man has used them to their own doom

Tayong

Klemenceau-Shalom

It is unfortunate that some people quote certain portions of the Holy Bible to justify their wrong conceptions of its teachings.
Tita Mofaw, Danny Boy and others who see the Bible as a tool fashioned to promote evil should understand that the Bible can never be read and understood by selecting a few portions of it. We can only understand the Bible through the power of the Holy Spirit and by not reading in isolation for the Bible begins from Genesis to Revelation. Again the word of God is not a science book that we should apply too much logic to understand it.
The devil takes advantage of your doubts and blocks your understanding of the spiritual standard of the Bible. Only God by the power of the Holy Spirit can help you understand the teachings of the Bible.
Remember that the devil quoted/quotes the Bible to suit his evil purpose. The devil is doing everything to divert our understanding of the word of God; that is why the Rosicrucian and other occultists use the Bible. The devil's aim is the give the impression that the Bible is an evil book. God forbid!! The Bible is and remains the unchangeable word of God.
You guys should read the Bible with an open mind and the Holy Spirit will surely grant you understanding of its teachings. When you guys go to the Bible just to search for portions to say the Bible is an instrument to promote slavery and so on; I can only compare your actions to a biased judge who sentence someone not because the person is guilty but because he is against the guy.
God is a father who listens to his children. You guys should sincerely ask God to grant you understanding as you read His word. If not, the devil will continue to block us from the truth.
Shalom
Klemenceau

Watesih

Tita Mofaw,
You argue with vehemence,i like it.But things that deal with spirituality have nothing to do with logic.These are some of the stumbling points i got from your rich debate:
1.You give the opinion that our primitivity is something to be asahmed of.I will say no,because the whiteman initially used the Bible as his own witchcraft to destroy our belief systems,but later discovered that these belief systems were peculiar to us.Thats why the Catholic church finally decided to allow churches in Africa to incorporate traditional rites during worship.If you take a retrospection a little earlier than the 17th c you refered to earlier,you discover that renowned writers dealt lengthily on the gothic tradition in their works.From Chaucer to Marlowe,
Shakespeare to Allan Poe.In their writings ,
they give us eerie details of the soul`s struggle between the forces of darkness ,and virtue.They protray how the primitive practice of witchcraft has never been far away from them.
2. You accepted that occultism is still practised by the whiteman today.This is not different from the witchcraft we practise.
The only difference is that theirs is structured into bloodsucking,money making adventures, whereas we are still very natural.We have our own parameters to know whether someone is a witch or wizard,and they too have guidelines for their sects.We may just want to force the wizard to sit near the corpse ,to get the confession from him,just like the whitemen who are masters of sects will want to go to the Wouri River at night and make some sacrifices.The white created the courts to settle their disputes,but we Africans have our family,traditional councils to settle these affairs.Every family member falls within a realm.In times of crises everybody must submit his or herself to scrutiny.There are agreed norms that nobody dares kick against.
When somebody threatens George Bush in public ,the whites have the right to prosecute him as they have been doing,but when somebody suddenly dies in a family in Africa,the family head,Village head summons everybody for interrogation.The gods may be consulted to know where the family,tribe has gone wrong.This shows that there are check and balances in every society.We Africans should not necessarily want it to take the form of the whiteman`s court because we are afraid not to be branded primitive.

Danny boy,
We have seen situations where somebody drowns in a lake,and the search for the corpse turns out to be a nightmare,until the traditional ruler comes to make sacrifices.A short while after these rites, the corpse will come afloat.So how can logic and your appliance of science work here?

Danny Boy

Mr.Fon, had you read between the lines, so to speak, I said, "to add to your fun..." before referring you to the Wicked Bible. Iam happy you did your research. The shame is you lifted what you have just posted from Wikipedia, without reading it. For if you did, you would have spotted this mistake "although they are not theological or transnational mistakes,they are still is worth a smile..". A reference too, to the origin of your source is commendable, else you coul be accused of plagiarism.
You seem to forget that you asked Tita mofaw above this question, "Which one is older, the act of slavery or the bible?" If you doubt me, go back to your first posting.
As for your faith in theological teachings, do you really want us to believe that the world was created in 4004BC? Maybe you missed this point, which explains why you fail to understand my summary use of "therefore".
It is a solemn debate, I accept, frivolous? No. My mentioning of the adulterer's bible above was simply to inject fun into the debate. It is funny, don't you think so? May be tomorrow you can amuse your friends. Come to think of it, Mr. Barker, did not actually go bust. That is another strand to this story you may care to check out.
It is a funny world.

Fon

Danny Boy,
You point on the source is noted. However it would have sounded mature of you if you did it in a polite way.
I don´t dispute that I asked Tita Morfaw, which is older; the act of slavery or the bible. In my last contribution, I have shown that the bible is far older than slavery especially between whites and African as I pointed out that there was the bible before the white man ever had the means to discover Africa.
I don´t know your point about 4004BC. From my scientific background I know there is a difference between creation of the universe and when life began.

However I am happy that you have come to the understanding that the bible has stood its ground and was never built on falsehood.

Danny Boy

Mr. Fon, Iam sorry for the offence caused. If my memory serves me right, a certain theologian,Archbishop James Ussher, had calculated, based on the historical accounts in the bible, that the earth was created in 4004BC. which makes man and all his artefacts about 6,011 years old today. Now that I know you are a scientist, you will agree with me that, that modern civilisation is more than 100,000 years old. In Geological terms the Holocene period. Human beings have never been a peaceful race. You will agree that civilisations fought each other, and those defeated suffered the ignomity of being turned in to slaves. This happened on the continents of Africa, Europe and the Americas. I do not believe in the "garden of Eden" hypothesis. Do you? If you do not like me, then you will understand my assertion that slavery is much older than the bible. This is the Scientific approach.
I am sorry not to have mentioned it, I am a Geologist. Ah ha! We are perhaps birds of the same feather but with differing takes on life.
As for the bible never been revised,i think you might need to do some research on that too. You will be surprised what you will find.

Ma Mary

Most of us (except the psychopaths) are born with an inbuilt moral compass in our hearts and minds. Consult it often and it will stay well developed.

What they have done to this unfortunate mami is cruel and evil unless they have concrete evidence that she actually poisoned her family.

No amount of bad African beliefs and Middle East Book Cults (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) can be used as a cover for what is so obvious. These warlike cults from the Middle East are the cause of so much war and destruction, because live and let live is not part of their belief (except perhaps Judaism). If you do not believe as they do, they permit their members to hate and kill you. Christianity got mellow during the age of enlightenment in Europe, with the rise of scientific thought.

Ma Mary

My finding is that >99% religious belief is not motivated by the noble in us, but by fear of bad luck or hell and the promise of reward in heaven. Nobility means we do things because they are the right thing to do or good for our fellow human being, regardless of cost or reward- whether that reward be eternal life in the clouds with angels blowing trumpets and the pearly gates with St Peter. Why does that sound like a dull disneyland? In some religions guys get 72 virgins. Why virgins, I wonder? To deflower them in heaven? Gentlemen, I assure you, virgins are generally not very interesting women. It is silent about what we girls get in heaven. I guess 72 well endowed studs.

I have chosen to reject all these fear mongering cults and still try to be as noble as I can. We will all come to an end, some peaceful, some traumatic, some tragic and we do not really have a choice on the matter. The only control we have is now. That is it. we can either be a slave or hold our head up. That is the only choice, each and every minute in the worst or the best possible circumstance.

Danny Boy

Mr. Watesih & Mr. Tayong, I thank you gentlemen for your postings above. I like the spirit with which this debate is conducted-friendly but incisive and above all educational. I have had to read a bit more on certain topics, in the course of which I have informed myself some more. I hope you Gentlemen are doing the same.
Getting back to our discussions, I am pleasantly amused by Watesih's example of the body in the lake which will only come to the surface after some libation from the village head. From a scientific stand-point, one can only say that the body had not been long enough in the water for the laws of physics to apply. It is common knowledge that in such circumstances of death, the bloated bodies will come to the surface at some point. The human body is a tube within a tube. Imagine inflating a bicycle tube, the more air you put in the lighter it becomes. The body coming to the surface after the ritual is but co-incidental. May be your village head knew all along, but is taking his superstitious subjects for a ride.
In reply to Mr. Tayong, the Dead Sea Scrolls are the oldest manuscripts from which we can authenticate the bible. only a fraction of these have been translated to date. When the scholars get around translating these, who knows, what you have always held as sacrosant or infallible might turn out to be just a medieval hoax! I keep an open mind on these things. After all, it is Voltaire who said Man created God. In our quest to understand where we came from, what it is we should be doing on this earth, and where we are going to, did the existence of God come into the equation.
Have a pleasant and I look forward to your postings.
Danny Boy.

tayong

Danny boy and MY own Ma Mary!

Good to read from you both. Ma Mary, anyone that worships God from a scary fear mongers' view doesn't understand biblical contexts. Biblical "fear of God" is cine quo nom to respect and adoration for the Almighty One not fear as if God has Weapons of Mass Destruction ready to rip off the head of the offender.Ma Mary , that moral compass you intimated above ,conscience so to speak, is God's inalienable reminder in mankind to differentiate between bad and evil. Before any crime is committed it pricks the criminal so seriously .Therefore no excuse for us all for not knowing good from evil.

As for my good old friend Danny boy ,no one can fight God and win. This very Voltaire of a man puffed up with philosophical pride boasted of many things against God but he's all been proven wrong. He said God is man's creation but on his dieing bed said...." I have fought against the existence of a God but now seems to a believer of that God at my last breathe..." so Sango, all those apocrypherial books are human wisdom not God's. Well as you said let's keep our fingers crossed and see what comes out from them.

Have a nice weekend Danny and my own very Ma Mary.Hahahaha.
Tayong

Ma Mary

Hello Tayong:
If you say so that you are not governed by fear of reward or punishment, you are an enlightened religionist, not so most of your co-religionists.

Watesih

Hahahaha! Dannyboy,
A good one there,the village chief knowing all along,and taking his subjects for a ride!Hahahah,the body coming to the surface is but coincidental.The coincidence only comes after the sacrifices.
You have give me a good day Sir! See ya soon!

Watesih

Dannyboy,Tita Mofaw,
Let me pull you out of your weekend bliss.28 girls in a school in Souza ,in the Littoral Provine have reportedly been falling into,and out of a trance incessantly despite medical attention.This is not very different from the case we had in the North in late 2004.A renowned Exocist who happened to be transiting Souza,came to their rescue to no avail.During his exocist sessions,more girls went into trances again.This is strage because all of them are girls,and the attack comes suddenly,and is manifested through sudden falls,and convulsions.The Police chief of Souza has said words are rife that there is an old woman who animating a sect somewhere in the City,and has found fertile grounds with the girl students in this Saint Herbert Denominational Institution.My question is ,how can this be explained scientifically,granted that other cases have been reported in the past two weeks in Dibombari,Nkongsamba,and Douala. The case of
Souza is peculiar ,because this crisis is said to have been going on for five years now? Are our hospitals incompetent,or is there a hand in darkness?

Danny Boy

My Dear Friend, Watesih, this is scary indeed. Had these manifestations been confined to this institution only, I would have suggested that these girls are being hypnotised by somebody. A few months ago,out of curiosity, I went to a religious convention.May be you have heard of the Benny Hinny Ministry.That night, there were about 30,000 people there and most of the congregation were women. I also observed that most of the people there suffered from some form of affliction, and had come hoping to be cured.
What I saw that night,my man, was hair-raising. This Benny Hinny guy literally hypnotised his congregation. After some chants this guy would shout "fire" and people would start dropping like flies. I must tell you I could not help laughing at this particular guy whose legs had become jelly. As he wobbled and swayed, I whispered to my friend, "timber", my friend dodged and this guy went crashing on his face. After a few minutes he tried to stand up, but his legs were still jelly. You needed to see him on all fours.
Hypnotism is a powerful tool used by most new-age churches to exploit the unsuspecting. I hope this is not the case. My Dear Friend I am not a psychologist, but with reference to what is happening in this school in Souza, I think these students are being hypnotised.
Do you Know of the website camnetwork.com? There were articles/postings there last week on Witch-doctors and the power of hypnotism. It is a good site to register with. I must go now. You have a wonderful Sunday too.
Danny Boy.

tayong

Danny Boy
Well in every society as well as sphere of life there're fakes as well as genuines. Benny Hinn hypnotist? No comment!

Im happy you attended the meeting and as serious a man as you are, take it that you went there to have a better knowledge of God's word , that was fine Danny,all other things that happened there i.e.distractions there didnt mean a thing to you ,fine too. Please attend again.Huh,did I sound evangelistic there? Well the taste of egusi is in the eating !

Happy weekend Danny
Tayong

katakata

WHAT'S GOING ON ?

EVERY DAY WE SIN EITHER BY ACTION OR BY THOUGHT...WHY? BECAUSE WE INHERITED THAT GENE FROM OUR FIRST PARENTS, ADAM AND EVE( ROMANS 5:12, 21)

YET WE ARE RATIONAL BEINGS. GOD GAVE US THE FREEDOM TO CHOOSE BETWEEN GOOD AND BAD. AND AS WE CAN SEE AROUND US , THE GREATER MAJORITY OF CREATION HAS DECIDED TO WILFULLY FALL INTO TEMPTATION, YET THEY WILL CEREMONIOUSLY REPEAT THE LORD'S PRAYER....AND LEAD US NOT INTO TEMPTATION (MATTHEW 69-11)ON A DAILY BASIS.


DONT BE DECEIVED..JUST LIKE MARLOWE'S LEGENDARY DR. FAUSTUS, ALL THOSE WHO BRAG ABOUT BELONGING TO THIS OR THAT OCCULTIC GROUP SHALL RECKON WITH LUCIFER AT PAYBACK TIME.

WE SHOULDNT BE SURPRISED EITHER THAT PEOPLE SHOULD TAKE THE STANCE THEY HAVE ON THE ISSUE OF THE BIBLE'S "LEGITIMIZING SLAVERY"

LET ME ASK THE QUESTION AGAIN:

"DOES THE BIBLE LEGITIMIZE SLAVERY?"

LETS TAKE A LOOK AT THE PRELIMINARIES BEFORE GOING INTO THE HEART OF THE MATTER.

1) GOD CREATED A PERFECT COUPLE WHO WERE TO POPULATE THE EARTH WITH PERFECT CHILDREN ENDOWED WITH EVERLASTING LIFE.

2) THIS PERFECT COUPLE WAS SWAYED INTO DISOBEDIENCE AND GOD FAITHFUL TO HIS WARNINGS (GENESIS 2:17) PASSED THE DEATH SENTENCE ON THE COUPLE AND THEIR OFFSPRINGS EVEN BEFORE THEY WERE BORN.

3) ADAM AND EVE BEGOT IMPERFECT CHILDREN, WITH IMPERFECT ATTITUDES AND BEFORE LONG THE FIRST ACT OF MANSLAUGHER WAS COMMITTED BY CAIN AGAINST HIS BROTHER ABEL.

4) THE REST OF THE BOOKS FROM GENESIS TO DEUTERONOMY RECOUNT A SUCCESSION OF EVIL DEEDS PERPETRATED BY MAN AGAINST MAN, SLAVERY INCLUDED.

5)THE POINT HERE IS THIS: MAN IN HIS EVIL ORIGINATED SLAVERY, AND THE INSPIRED BIBLE WRITER MOSES(1 TIMOTHY 3:16-17)REPORTED EVENTS AS THEY OCCURED IN THE STREAM OF TIME.

5) SLAVERY WAS A WAY OF LIFE AMONGST THE GODLESS NATIONS, AND GOD PUNISHED HIS OWN CHOSEN NATION "ISRAEL" BY SENDING THEM INTO SLAVERY AS PUNISHMENT FOR THEIR STUBBORNNESS.

6) GOD IN HIS LOVE SENT MOSES TO RELEASE THE ISRAELITES FROM THE BONDAGE OF SLAVERY IN EGYPT TO WHICH THEY WERE BEING HELD, BUT WHEN THEY ERRED HE DID NOT HESITATE TO SEND BABYLONIANS TO ENSLAVE THEM AND MAKE THEM SEE "WISDOM" ONCE MORE.


THE LIST COULD CONTINUE ON AND ON, BUT I MUST END IT AT SIX.

WHEN THE HUTUS AND TUTSIS SLAUGHTERED THEIR OWN CHRISTIAN BRETHREN: CATHOLICS KILLING CATHOLICS, ETC WAS IT BEING DONE TO THE GLORY OF GOD AND THE BIBLE???

THE ANSWER IS NO! NO! NO!

WHAT WE FIND IN THE EXAMPLE ABOVE IS JUST A TENDENCY OF THE EVIL IN MAN TO REPLICATE ITSELF TO THE DISHONOR OF GOD'S NAME AND WORD, THE BIBLE.

WHEN CHRISTIAN NATIONS GO TO WAR, DONT WE SEE PRIESTS AND BISHOPS FROM DIFFERENT CAMPS BLESSING GUNS AND TROOPS TO GO KILL THE SAME PEOPLE THEY ARE CALLED UPON TO TEACH LOVE AND PEACE?DOES THE BIBLE CONDONE THIS?

THE RESPONSE IS NO! NO! NO!(LUKE 10:27)

IF YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOUR'S DAUGHTER, YOU WONT VIOLATE HER ..INSTEAD YOU WOULD RESPECTFULLY ASK HER HAND IN MARRIAGE.

IF YOU LOVE YOUR NEIGBOUR, YOU WONT SCAM HIM AND DEPRIVE HIM OF HIS SAVINGS, THEREBY CAUSING HIS FAMILY TO STARVE.


WHATEVER HAPPENED DURING THE TRANS-ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE,FROM THE SHORES OF WEST AFRICA, TO THE GOREE ISLANDS IN SENEGAL WAS NOT SANCTIONED BY THE BIBLE. IT WAS SANCTIONED BY MAN'S GREED AND DISRESPECT FOR FELLOW HUMANS.


THE BIBLE MAKES NUMEROUS REFERENCE TO THE ADJECTIVE/NOUN SLAVE.

WHEN YOU READ THEM, DO WELL TO CONTEXTUALIZE THEM AND GET MEANING FROM IT.

WE ARE ALL SLAVES TO THE AUTHORITIES OF THIS WORLD, WHETHER AS CIVIL SERVANTS OR AS UNEMPLOYED CITIZENS.BUT THE STATE OWES ITS SLAVES THE RESPONSIBILITY OF FAIR TREATMENT.

WHEN YOU NEED SOMETHING VALUABLE , YOU SLAVE(ADJECTIVE) FOR IT. THUS AS A STUDENT YOU BECOME ENSLAVED TO A TEDIOUS STUDY SCHEDULE THAT RIDS YOU OF NUMEROUS HOURS OF SLEEP AND REST.

PAUL THE APOSTLE MADE THIS STATEMENT RECORDED AT 1 CORINTHIANS 9:25-27 ABOUT MAINTAINING A POSITIVE LIFESTYLE THAT IS TANTAMOUNT TO ENSLAVING HIS DESIRES AND PASSSIONS WITH A GREAT PRIZE TO BE ACHIEVED AS HIS MOTIVATION.

PEOPLE WITH THIS UNCONTROLLABLE TRAIT OF ADAMIC SIN WILL NO DOUBT SEEK TO WIN OVER MANY PERSONS TO THE NARROW BELIEF THAT GOD PROMOTES SLAVERY IN THE BIBLE.

AFTER READING THIS EXPOSEE WHICH IS JUST A COMMENTARY ON THE GENERAL FEEL OF THE ARGUMENTS ADVANCED SO FAR, I ENCOURAGE YOU ALL TO READ THIS LAST SCRIPTURE:

MATTHEW 7:13-15


MAKE A MATHEMATICAL NOTE OF THE COMMENTARIES ADVANCED HERE, AND FIND OUT IF YOU ARE NOT AMONGST THE MAJORITY BEING LED ASTRAY BY THE RAVENOUS WOLVES IN THIS BLOG.


YET , ALL IS NOT LOST IF YOU REVERT TO JOHN 3:16 AND FIND OUT WHY JESUS CAME TO EARTH....

HAVE A GREAT DAY

Danny Boy

My dear Friend Tayong, thanks for the suggestion. The proof is in the eating, but this egusi pudding is not for me. I see our friend katakata has weighed in powerfully in defence. What he fails to understand is that some of us will read the chapter, verse and line he has referred readers to, but those who do not want to open this book will not. It is like me asking him to go to Newton's Mathematica Principia or to Darwin's - On the origins of Species, for some scientific fact on a point of contention. If he does not believe in the scientific theories advanced, why should I expect him to open these books?
That is my problem with these guys. I tell them first that I do not belive in the bible, but they insist on referring me to this chapter and that verse! How is that going to change my mind? I will never read it.
That said, Mr. Tayong, may be you are an evangelist, I do not know. The truth is I am a christian, but a scientist foremost. I could take you back all the way to the Big Bang. Now should you ask me, what came before it? I will not be able to explain. That is when my faith sets in. I am not interested in Genesis i.e a man and a woman in a garden and the revelations after!! what do you expect? and how simple to explain the course of human history on this earth in such terms. I better leave it here before someone calls me frivolous and a crank.
Have a wonderful day.

tayong

Danny Boy.
Good to read from you again.Sounds interesting a debate . You, science incline you say, so I am too Danny Boy. But there're candid issues science can't even dabble into talk less of explaining, thats to say where science ends God begins. You know as much as I dont not up to 1% of creation has been discovered yet. Some scientist put the figure at 0.99% others say 1% all these confirm that science can't and will never explain all, God designed it so!

Let's take the evolutionists, or the second law of thermodynamicists or the Big Bang theorists or even the futurists. Evolutionists claim man developed from apes and stuff like that but when confronted on why such evulution seized they gave no answer. We woulod still be able to see apes today turning to humans! Does the Bible has an answer? Check it out ,serously it does Danny.

Let's take your Big Bang theory!The theory is based on the observations indicating the expansion of space in accord with the Robertson-Walker model of general relativity, as indicated by the Hubble redshift of distant galaxies taken together with the cosmological principle.
Roberts and others could no say what happened before that and none could explain while such a phenomenum wasn't gradual .Does the Bible has an aswer? Check it out Danny,seriously it does!Where science ends God begins!

Going now to the myth surrounding the Third law of thermodynamics. None, I mean none has been able to disprove the existence of God using that misconstrued but correct principle. Rather disagreement exists between these great minds as to the existence of a supreme being. My good old friend , I for one, with my satirical mind went off puching the existence of a God only to find my very answers in God and the Bible.

Danny ,though you dont read the Bible as you said, I would advice you to give it a try. Many science inclined minds do , believe me.
That Book is more than Newton's Mathematica Principia or Darwin's Writings of Natural Selections. It's a world on its own.
Give it a try Danny,You wont regret it!
Tayong

katakata

"YOU CAN TAKE A HORSE TO THE STREAM, BUT YOU CAN NEVER, NEVER FORCE IT TO DRINK"


TAYONG, I SALUTE YOU. GOD SEES YOUR EFFORTS YOU PUT IN TO DEFEND HIS WORD; ONE CANT FORCE ANYBODY TO ACCEPT WHAT THEY DONT BELIVE IN....

BE CONTENTED THAT YOU DID YOUR NEIGHBOUR A SERVICE WHICH HE POLITELY DECLINED..

LETS NOT BELABOUR THE POINT..


DARWIN IS DEAD AND GONE..YET THE EARTH ROTATES, AND APES HAVE NOT EVOLVED INTO HUMANS AND COME TO JOIN US AT HOME.


WE HAVE ZOOS WHERE ZOOLOGISTS KEENLY OBSERVE ANIMALS FOR ANY SIGN OF POSSIBLE MUTATION..YET THEY HAVE SEEN NONE...

EVOLUTION IS AN ACAEMIC DEBATE, WITHOUT ANY FOUNDATION. LET THOSE WHO PUT THEIR TRUST IN EARTHLING MAN AND HIS PHILOSOPHIES CONTINUE DOING SO....


LET THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN AN ALMIGHTY INVISIBLE GOD-CREATOR OF THE UNIVERSE CONTINUE DOING SO..

WHAT I KNOW, AND I EXPECT DANNY BOY WOULDNT BE UNFAIR TO REFUTE IS THAT WHENEVER SOMETHING SERIOUS COMES HIS WAY, HE DOESNT EXCLAIM :

"OH MY DARWIN!" NO! HE DOESNT

I HEAR HIM SAY :

"OH MY GOD!"

AND THIS GOES FOR EVERY SO-CALLED ATHEIST WHO PRETENTIOUSLY CALLS ON GOD WHEN IN DIRE STRAITS.MOST PEOPLE PRETEND THEY ARE COURAGEOUS , AND HIDE BEHIND WHEN THE REAL CHALLENGE COMES....

KEEP ON DECEIVING YOURSELF!

"IF THE CROWN FITS YOU, WEAR IT"

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