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Monday, 26 February 2007

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rexon

There is no way the SDF can pretend not to be in the government of La Republique. They are in parliament and that is a government function (Legislature). If they want to argue that they are not in government, then they should resign their parliamentary positions. We all know that they cannot do this, as they are being paid to colour La Republique in the eyes of the international community as a multi-party democracy.

Shame on these bootlicker.

lære

I wonder if job creation is geared towards providing jobs only to those who belong or who pretend to belong the the ruling CPDM party.
What puts me in this wondering situation is the last paragraph of the above article; which reads "Forjindam, however, announced, amidst applause, that he would soon be employing several youths who are engineers and called on jobless YCPDM militants to submit their applications to their Section Presidents to reach him as soon as possible".

All Government spendings in Cameroon are financed by Cameroonians irrespective of their provinces of origin or your political affiliation.
We must be careful in what we say and do.

lære

I wonder if job creation is geared towards providing jobs only to those who belong or who pretend to belong the the ruling CPDM party.
What puts me in this wondering situation is the last paragraph of the above article; which reads "Forjindam, however, announced, amidst applause, that he would soon be employing several youths who are engineers and called on jobless YCPDM militants to submit their applications to their Section Presidents to reach him as soon as possible".

All Government spendings in Cameroon are financed by Cameroonians irrespective of their provinces of origin or political affiliation.
We must be careful in what we say and do.

AngloCameroonian

Any normal anglophone who parades as a CPDM militant know that they are doing so because of greed and selfishness. Truely they're aware that they are eating crumbs. And those who casts a vote for them are bringing curse to their families and prolonging the oppression of anglophones.
But how long will this continue? It is up to us the anglophones to wake up from slumber.
Ghost registration has started only in the anglophone provinces, why?
And only anglophones have been lured to perpetrate that. While doing that be preparing your apologies in two languages also.
Let us stop condemning the SDF and invest our ideas on how to bring the change we are craving for. If they have failed us. Let us not fail those behind us.
Join the AngloCameroonian Movement.

Danny Boy

When it comes to admissions into the School of Medicine in Buea, the government invokes the much heralded policy of regional balance! Is Mr. Achidi Achu living on a different planet or what? The North West deserves her fair share of ministerial appointments regardless of the SDF's political dominance in this province.
As for Ni JFN being paid a salary, one is right in asking, for what? He is not an employee of the state nor is he in somebody's employ. The SDF should cater for his every need. That is party politics as I understand it. As for his security, it is incumbent on the state to provide all leaders of political parties with bodyguards. If this has not been the case, then it is reckless of the government. Achidi Achu's comments are but spiteful utterances of a has-been-politician.

Watesih

Dannyboy,
My man,let me take the cue from you.I was musing over those same questions.I thought if the state had to refuse to pay the frontline Opposition leader in the country a salary,because he doesn`t carry out any services for the state,but maybe has to provide him with bodyguards,the question is why would you provide security for someone who doesn`t carry out any services for you? The other day Nancy Pelosi was not only making it laud and clear that she must be provided a plane,but she gave directives on how the plane must look like.She said she needed a bigger one with a bedroom.She`s a Democrat ,and leader of that party.Fru Ndi knows deep down that the state cannot provide him with these things,but he wants to teach these homosexuals in Yaounde politics.He wants them to know that they shouldn`t think he is not entitled to these things.Why is he entitled to them? As leader of the frontline opposition party,he has a moral voice on national issues,thats why they had to seek his expertise when finetuning Elecam.As to whether they follow his advice is another debate.By having the second largest group of Deputies in Parliament,a good chunk of Councils means he is involved in legislation.All these bodies generate a lot of income for the state,as a result of the coordinator( party leader`s )
activities.The salary,bodyguards that the state would provide him with is not even one one hundredth of the income he generates for the state.In Cameroon because it is Fru Ndi of course he has to be lampooned for ever thinking this way.
Achidi Achu has the right to think this way.He doesn`t generate any income for the state.Instead he uses state money to campaign for his party.He embezzles some of this money,and connect clean water for his cattle to drink in his farm,while Cameroonians drink muddy water around the country.We shouldn`t be surprised by Achidi Achu`s utterances,because he is trying to resurrect his failed policy of you wash my back i wash your own.Of course he knows Fru Ndi is the one that made this policy to meet its Waterloo.Fru Ndi has persistently defeated him in all elections,
and disgraced him in front of his master Biya.Biya has therefore rejected Achidi and his northwest ministers.From Achidi to Abety,John Nde, Njiyam,Nsahlai ,they have all passed through Fru Ndi`s guilotine,and have been vomited by BIya because of their inability.How can Biya continue to wash their backs when all of them cannot wreak havoc on Fru Ndi in anyway?
When Achidi Achu says Fru Ndi doesn`t deserve a salary ,because of post 1992 election violence,he is indirectly saying that he has to refund all the salary he has earned for having ordered out soldiers to shoot armless Cameroonians.Biya should not earn a salary for having ordered the killing of 6 SDF militants when the party was launched,and 9 people in Bepanda.Jacques Fame Ndongo should refund all the salary he earns for having ordered the killings of students in Buea last December.The only thing that is going to save Achidi Achu from shame, profusely provided him by Fru Ndi is death.As long as he lives ,he has to eat his tongue everyday trying to show his frustration for his failed party,policies,
and for the flogging he will always receive from Fru Ndi.Which security can they even provide for Fru Ndi? Have they not shot on him countless times,have they not put him under house arrest to show their frustration?

Mbu.B

Watesih,
let me also take the cue from you. First I must acknowledge the maturity in your arguments.
This is probably an old debate, but would it or would it not have been ok for the SDF to be sieging at the cabinet.
Their refusal to join the government is one of those decisions that have weakened the SDF.
I reason this way because,being represented at the NA makes little or no difference since they don't have the majority to overturn or influence anything.
They are minority at the NA and understandably would be minority at the cabinet. But the fact that you have about 10 SDF ministers will deepen their influence on national politics.
Like some have said, their participation in the NA has given more legitimacy to the Biya government.
I don't know how you look at it, but going to the NA is taking part in the government.So too is holding ministerial positions.
The question lingering in my mind is were they poorly adviced or what?
Again the fact that Biya had the power to sack would not really matter, because the SDF would have a fix number of portfolios to occupy. In a case where Biya goes against their accord, the SDF can then withdraw its entire ministers.
Going to the NA and refusing ministerial positions is dancing on one leg or putting one leg in and another out.Either they are in or they are out.
Lastly we get this whole idea on what a main opposition or its leader should get or is supposed to get from the government. I think Ni John is supposed to receive a salary like you have in western democracies, receive governments' protection. In this same vein, should it siege at the NA it is but normal they hold ministerial positions.
I will be glad to know your take on this issue.

abili liese

Mbu.B
Achidi Achu should really be so stupid to try to fool Cameroonians about what JFN said. He never ask government for a salary, he is just reminding Cameroonians that its equally his right as an opposition leader to certain government incentives.Though the Cameroonian government doesnot see it so.

I don't really think by refusing to join the government is a mistake by the SDF. Cameroonians seem to be so carried away with the wrong side of issues. It would definitely be widely viewed that the SDF has joined the Biya governmet if they accepted misterial posts.And the idea will not be conceiviable as occurs in western democracies.And the Biya government being what it is will sure want to sabotage those areas where the SDF will be responsible and make a mess of their capabilties there.I think its a wise step to stay away.

Moat democracies in the world have mixed parliaments and the SDF being in the NA doesn't mean they are part of Biya's government.

kehbohng

SIMON ACHIDI ACHU,AND ANYE SOLOMON,
CAN YOU PEOPLE STAY QUIET. YOU ARE THE OLD PEOPLE SPOILING THE NORTH WEST PROVINCE. RATHER THAN TAKING TIME TO RETROSPECT AND MAKE DISCOUVERY OF ALL THAT BAD THINGS YOU HAVE DONT TO THIS COUNTRY, YOU KEEP ON SERVING AS WEAPONS OF MASS DISINFORMATION. WHAT HAS CHANGE IN BALI KUMBAD THAT WAS FREE FROM SDF CONTROL BESIDE BEING A BREADING GROUND OF THE FAMOUS TYRANT.

Watesih

Mbu.M
Good points,and reservations there.If the SDF joins a government that is handpicked,and whose composition is done in France according to alliances,then it will cease to be an Opposition party.You can see what is happening to Bello Bouba,and Koddock.Biya gives then 1,2 percent according to his whims,and caprices.It is better for the SDF to have Deputies that are elected by the people,and who can debate ,and pass legislation,than start respecting quotas in alliances in the government.SDF Mps have been responsible for some of the best things that have happened in the country.The world now knows that some individuals swindled billions in Cameroon thanks to the SDF,that got the first swindler Mounchipou into jail,and others followed.When Biya ,and his men tried to impose Elecam in the National Assembly,the SDF rejected their ploy ,and walked out.It is better to fight them like this ,than to sit in a council of Ministers and listen to an absentee landlord impose ideas he does not even have a grasp of.Hardened criminals like Fun Charles Galabe Taylor of Balikumbat wouldn`t have met their Waterloo without the presence of the SDF in Parliament. Can you remember any good thing of this nature that the NUDP of Bello Bouba,and The UPC of KOddock have brought to Cameroonians as a result of their presence in government?Mbu.b i have nothing to teach you on the various branches of authority in a country.In Cameroon Biya tries hard to bundle them together ,but the SDF understands it well ,and has stood apart.The best thing the SDF has ever done as a political party has been not to join the government.You have certainly heard how Fru Ndi attacks his Deputies in public for having made a mess of the parliamentary grants,but Biya never does this.He instead turns around and asks for proofs,until the whole world came shouting into his ears that very soon his Ministers will even auction him off.You can see how all the Munas of the world who wanted the SDF to join power have become laughing stocks today.What would such people bring to the Cameroonian people as Ministers? You saw how Muna was given a post in Tanzania,but completely soiled the image of Cameroon there.FRu Ndi came right down and stood against Jua ,a Deputy during elections.This is the type of Democracy the SDF is preaching.Can Biya ever stand against any of his Deputies? They are in the NA,so they are part of the legislature,and that is why they have been resisting Biya`s antics.You will never compare somebody that is handpicked with the one that is elected by the people.

kehbohng

SIMON ACHIDI ACHU,AND ANYE SOLOMON,
CAN YOU PEOPLE STAY QUIET. YOU ARE THE OLD PEOPLE SPOILING THE NORTH WEST PROVINCE.
RATHER THAN TAKING TIME TO RETROSPECT AND MAKE DISCOUVERY OF ALL THAT BAD THINGS YOU HAVE DONT TO THIS COUNTRY, YOU KEEP ON SERVING AS WEAPONS OF MASS DISINFORMATION. WHAT HAS CHANGE IN BALI KUMBAD THAT WAS FREE FROM SDF CONTROL BESIDE BEING A BREADING GROUND OF THE FAMOUS TYRANT? WHILE THE REST OF THE NORTH WEST IS BREADING BALI KUMBAD IS BLEADING.
GOD FORBID THAT NORTH WEST WAS SAFE FROM FALLING IN THE HANDS OF CPDM,TYRANISM WOULD HAVE BEEN THE TALK OF THE DAY.
PEOPLE WHO CANNOT PROVIDE SIMPLE BREAKFAST FROM GENUING POLITICS. YOUR PREACHING OF THE POLITICS OF MASS DISINFORMATION HAS RENDERED THE ENTIRE NORTH WEST HOPELESS AND USELESS. FOR YOUR INTEREST SPEND THESE LAST DAYS OF YOURS TO MEDITATE ON ALL THE EVILS THAT YOU HAVE COMMITED AGAINST YOUR PEOPLE IN GENERAL AND TO SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS IN PARTICULAR AND REPENT BEFORE IT BECOMES TOO LATE.
MR POLITICS NA NJANGI YOU THROW STONES FORGETTING TO KNOW THAT YOU ARE LIVING IN A GLASS HOUSE? CAN YOU REMEMBER THE FINANCIAL SCANDALS IN THE MINISTRY OF JUSTICE WHILE YOU WERE AT THE HEM OR THAT OF THE NORTH WEST COOPERATIVE AND THE MIDENO COUPLE OF YEARS AGO? SO KINDLY REMEMBER THESE FEW AND KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHOT.
YOU ONLY TALK OF THE BREAKFAST AND TOOTH PAST MONEY SWINDLED BY THE SDF MAYORS. YOU SHOWED THEM. YOU DESERVED KONDENGUI PRISON FOR A RETIREMENT HOME.
AS FOR MASSA SAKIYO ALIAS JIRAF, THE BAMENDA PEOPLE HAVE BECOME SO INTELIGENT TO DISCOVER THE BAD FAITH OF THE "CHOP PEOPLE THEIR MONEY" PARTY'S POLITICS. WHY ARE YOU BEHAVING LIKE COCROACH IN THE MIST OF FOULS, THE LOW TURN OUT AT THE BAMENDA CONGRESS HALL MATCHES THE STATE OF MIND OF THE BAMENDA MAN. AS FOR WUM, NKAMBE, BOYO AND THE REST, IGNORANT WAS THE MAN IN CONTROL.
YOUR SELF CENTERED POLITICS IS CONSPICOUS, WHY CAN'T YOU TALK OF PROMISING TO PROVIDE JOBS TO YOUNG CAMEROONIANS AS THE NEED BE IN YOU CHANTIER NAVAL COMPANY, YOU TALK OF YOUNG MILITANTS OF CPDM IN THE NORTH WEST PROVINCE?
MIND YOUR POLITICS INGRADS

M Nje

"Nancy Pelosi was not only making it laud and clear that she must be provided a plane,but she gave directives on how the plane must look like.She said she needed a bigger one with a bedroom.She`s a Democrat ,and leader of that party"
Watesih

Watesih,
Nancy Pelosi requested for the benefits that are reserved for the House Speaker not for a party leader. She is the House Speaker, second in line to the presidency of the United States

To the best of my knowledge, she is not the leader of the democratic party. The party (Democratic party) has its Chairman, Howard Dean, who is paid by the Democratic National Committee DNC.

M Nje

Watesih,
The Democratic National Committee, DNC, like the Republican National Committee, RNC, runs the daily affairs of the Democratic Party. It raises funds for the party, takes care of the various organs of the party and many other party business. It is completely independent from the government even if a Democrat is President.

Example: if a democratic president like William Jefferson Clinton had to travel to address the DNC using Air force 1 while he was president, he has to reimburse the state for the trip. That is not considered state affair. So he cannot use a state aircraft for free.

“By having the second largest group of Deputies in Parliament, a good chunk of Councils means he is involved in legislation. All these bodies generate a lot of income for the state, as a result of the coordinator( party leader`s )
activities.The salary,bodyguards that the state would provide him with is not even one one hundredth of the income he generates for the state.”
Watesih


Watesih,
I think you got it totally wrong here. No party leader in any democracy should be place on state payroll at the expense of taxpayers for not rendering any services. That is corruption at its best. Ghost employment I should say. There is a fine line between a political party and a government.

Deputies, mayors, etc from any political party in any part of the world are considered state employees once they resume office. That office does not belong to their party. So a party chairman has no input into their output, because, that office does not belong to the party. There is nothing as “a result of the coordinator (party leader`s)
activities.” The Deputies or mayor are paid for their services. They are employees of the state from a political party. You may what to know that mayors in La Republique have a supervisory authority which is the SDO or the DO. Check it out. One will expect that you should be advocating for better management of public funds for you country: drawing a demarcation between a political party and the government. But you seem to be advocating for the same method that your opponent in the CPDM are employing.

Watesih

M Nje,
Good.You would want to ask yourself the question why the state provides funds for this same leader of the opposition during presidential elections whereas he does nothing for the state.Get this clear that in any country where democracy is practised,these are privileges that are reserved only to those who make special contributions to the state.The leaders of the two major parties in any country are directly responsible for the policy making of the land,and are therefore treated with a lot of respect.The state makes their working conditions comfortable because the destiny of the country is in their hands.You cannot dissociate the actions of the Deputies from their party leader.When they are waiting for the appointment of the Group Parliamentary Leader,only the Party leader decides who has to occupy the post,because he wants somebody that will deliver the goods.I will repeat that what the activities of the Leader of the Opposition brings to the state ,is not the same as what the activities of an ordinary party leader like Ekindi brings.
In Cameroon Traditional leaders are put on the state`s payroll,and are just said to be auxiliaries of the Administration.You would surely want their people to contribute money and pay them,since 90% of them are jobless,and you would also say their traditional setup has nothing to do with the Administration.But they have a special status,because they are moral voices in their various societies.How more of the leader of the Opposition Parties who does not only have a moral voice over a good chunk of the population,but is directly responsible in shaping the laws of the country.You should know that in the US,the secret service covers the security of people like Howard Dean,but Mbah Ndam cannever enjoy that type of treatment in Cameroon.
You are wrong when you say a party chairman has no input into the output of Deputies ,or Mayors because they are state employees,and the office does not belong to their party.
The party leader appoints his Group Parliamentary leader,coordinates,and has final word on the decisions his party takes at the NA or in Councils.

Mbu.B

M Nje,
I'm afraid we have serious differences. Though Watesih has helped to throw some light, I couldn't refrain from adding a few more lines.
I believe you should know about the Shadow Cabinet in Britain. What it stands for and the benefits that pertain to being the head of this body. That is just an example, the name and function in other democracies changes, but they have things in common . . . it's not the party in power and they enjoy benefits from their party organs as well as a great chunk from the government treasury.This is not corruption!
I really should shout out loud, it's not corruption and it wouldn't be corruption in Cameroon. The problem that we'll have in Cameroon is that people have a poor understanding of politics nationally and internationally.That is why you had this debate about Fru NDI receiving aid from the government in trying to rescue his late wife. In fact, your reasoning highlights this misunderstanding.
About 10 to 15 years ago, an opposition leader in Africa meant you have been imprisoned, put under house arrest, shot at and even maimed. An opposition leader presently is hardly the same and in the next decade would even change more.
Again, are you saying; no party leader should be placed on a payroll? If so, then you are selling after the market.
Gentleman, once you carry the title officially or unofficially as the main opposition leader, you render great service to your country.
You write;
". . . The salary,bodyguards that the state would provide him with is not even one one hundredth of the income he generates for the state.”
Question; How did you make that estimate?

Mbu.B

Mr.Original Mukete,
it's rather unfortunate for the so called intellectuals whom you seek to defend ... God does not give individuals everything.
My guess is, it's not upto Fru Ndi to place them in a position where they will be able to overcome adversary, but for them to fight and get there.
They should use this big book and device strategies that will put them at the driving seat and not put the blame on Fru Ndi. Or I'd rather say you put the blame on Fru Ndi.
Elections are coming again and we don't see the mobilization on the part of your intellectual politicians. Later you and your paymasters will cry for Fru Ndi's head.

Mukete, why do you still want to fool people Pr. Asonganyi, Ngwasiri and others are keeping some mysteriously devastating stories or secrets that they don't want to release.
These men have been at drawn daggers and are still at it, what ideal situation are they waiting to devulge the secrets?
If there are any secrets, then it shouldn't favour your Asonganyi and the rest.
Get back to work and next time, don't bring this cooked up and sour sauce that you have served more than twice.

Danny Boy

Mr. Mbu, I am afraid I will have to differ with you on a number of points. Ni John, has got no mandate! He is not an MP! His party should provide for his every need. In Britain, the leader of Her Majesty's Opposition is foremost an MP. He leads the Shadow Cabinet, whose primary function is to check any abuse of power by the ruling party. Parliament sits daily to scrutinise bills and debate on topical issues affecting the country. These MPs also run surgeries in their various constituencies. Even the PM has to visit his from time to time to listen to what his constituents' complains are. Theirs is a full time job and that is what they are paid for. Not benefits or previledges!
In the UK, a minister is an MP or a member of the House of Lords. This is of particular importance because no ordinary citizen is allowed into the debating chamber in Westminster! It is here that the Government is held to account on a daily basis!
As for funding parties at election time, it is but natural, given that this exercise is by the people and for the people. The money comes from the public purse, not from Biya!! He may hold the strings to this purse, but it is not his money inside.
As you rightly said, the problem with Cameroon is that people have a poor understanding of politics, nationally and internationally.

Mbu.B

Danny Boy,
actually you don't really differ with me. Whether it takes the form of benefits or privileges or betterstill a monthly pay. It goes with a reason. And the reason is simply because this or that is frontline opposition.
You wrote;
"His party should provide for his every need".
That is your wish or reasoning, it's not what happens.
The difference in every country makes the manner of chanelling these advantages differently. So you wouldn't expect Fru Ndi to be paid in exactly the same way as the Shadow cabinet minister in Britain.
When the government disburses money to rescue Fru Ndi's dying wife, under what banner do you place that? Ofcourse, benefits to the main opposition leader.

Are you also arguing, Fru Ndi should become a parliamentarian and our politics should achieve the same set up as in Britain before he can actually get the advantages?

Again the government does not only rely on the MPs debating. You remember many political leaders were called up for consultation on the creation of ELECAM. Whether the product suited expectation or not, just by meeting the PM, Ni John was working for Cameroon. By the way, would that be different from the PM in Britain consulting the leader of the Shadow Cabinet?

Danny Boy

Mr. Mbu,
in response to your last question, may I state catergorically that the PM of the UK does not consult leaders of the opposition on matters relating to how his government develops and implements policy. If any consultation is needed, it is with members of his cabinet!
At times of crisis, as in the run up to the Iraq war, he would call this leaders into his office, share with them the latest intelligence and inform them what his Government is going to do. The matter will be taken to the house, where he the PM will make a statement. If there is enough hostility from his side and those opposite, the matter will be debated and members asked to vote.
It is at such times that the government can be toppled, if the vote goes against them. As for the day to day running of the country, the ruling party seeks to implement it's manifesto as endorsed by the electorate at the last general elections. The main opposition can only bid their time, hoping that their shadow cabinet can punch sufficient holes into the Government, enough to render them unelectable next time.
As for Ni John standing for Parliament, I would say, what better way to stop all this idle chatter from his detractors? Had he been a Parliamentarian and leader of his party, we will not be talking of bread crumbs here and hand-outs from the State at such distressing times. Think about it my dear friend.
We need to advance our politics. The British system is not perfect, but it works.

M Nje

Watesih,
We may never agree on the issue of placing a party leader into the state payroll. My theory is that no person should be on any state payroll anyway in the world when they do not render any service to the state of taxpayers. Your party chairman may render political or personal advice to his mayors or MPs but that cannot be rewarded with a salary because it is unsolicited. He does that in the name of his party not the state. That coordination ( from a party leader) you talked about is made to ensure that his or her MPs or mayor should represent the aspirations of the party and maintain party discipline. Again all of that is to benefit his party. Go back and look at the things you said a party leader does. You will see that almost all of them are done to advance the position of his party.

I am advocating for a clear boundary between a political party, be it the ruling party, and the government. That should be and is the standard in most democracies.

Concerning Mr. Mbah Ndam if I not mistaking he is the Parliamentary Group leader for the SDF. If that is the case, then he should have full security from the state include a state car, a well staffed office, and many other amenities. That is how it should be done. If that is not done then it is wrong.

Mbu B.,
The following statement was from Watesih. He may have the answer to your question:

“.....The salary,bodyguards that the state would provide him with is not even one one hundredth of the income he generates for the state.”

Mbu B,
I think you got it wrong when you say

“When the government disburses money to rescue Fru Ndi's dying wife, under what banner do you place that? Ofcourse, benefits to the main opposition leader.”

That is a benefit that all citizens of La Republique are entitled to. It was not because it was the wife of the main opposition leader. Check it out.

Feli

Extremely matured debate going on here. Thank God the mass was not overwhelmed by the fabricator and impersonator.
Now coming to this issue of the main opposition leader, some have systematically reduced the debate to financial renumeration which is false. When Ni John Fru Ndi brought up the issue during a meeting in his residence, he was trying to portray how backward Cameroon's political scenery is. Indeed, the whole thing stems from in-depth confusion in the Cameroonian protocol system. In Cameroon, there is no provision for the treatment of opposition figures. Thus, when they are invited to or take part in official ceremonies, be it youth or national day, state burials,state visits of foreign dignitories etc, there is always confusion in protocol. This sets up a situation where the Chairman of the party arrives the occasion and waits for or recieves his councillors,mayors and parliamentarians although they are inferior to him/her in hierarchy.
In other neighbouring African countries, the situation is very different. 2 years ago, when Ni John Fru Ndi travelled to Nigeria on a private mission to bury a young business colleague, the Federal government of Nigeria provided him (in his capacity as the leader of Cameroon's opposition) police escort and security from Cross River state through Ebonyi to Benin-city . During that tenure, his protocol and security were supervised by the state from Abuja and paid for by Nigerian tax-payers. This is because Nigeria in certain aspects has an advanced political system and has provisions for a rigid protocol system. The SDF Chairman has witnessed this in several other African countries including Mali, Ivory Coast, Tunisia and Ghana. So why is it that in his own country, he must be shabily treated?
So the debate is more of systems than of individuals or financial benefits.

Mbu.B

Danny Boy,
thanks for the lecture on how the British system works.
Your last part interests me a lot. Being a parliamentarian wouldn't make him any richer. If Ni John asks or was to ask for benefits from the government, he does so rightfully as a matter of policy and not because he wants something better than crumbs as you call it.
No matter how you put it, detractors will always have something to say.
Again, I really don't see how we differ.


M Nje,
man, if your typing showed you were quoting Watesih, I guess it should have been different. But now,I know.

Then I was thinking, the easiest would be to say A or B has it wrong. You would be taken seriously if you gave something to look up to as explanation. For that, I don't see anything. You don't counteract for the purpose of just counteracting.Let me know where or how to 'check it out'.
This simple question; do you know how many Cameroonians die each day not being able to pay ten, twenty or fifty thousands in hospitals? Do you know doctors refuse to operate patients if they don't make deposits?
Why then, do you think the government stepped onto this? Certainly not because it was the main opposition leaders wife, right?

Fon

"Yet, Achidi Achu wondered how a violence-prone leader could justifiably claim that he needs a salary from the State and, by implication, from President Biya.Earlier, Achidi Achu had said for 16 years the SDF party had succeeded in holding the Northwest Province - except Balikumbat - hostage"
Out of frustration and desparation, Achidi Achu will always ridicule himself in public especially when Fru Ndi´s name is concern. So according to Achidi Achu, Paul Biya and the state are synonymous? shame to him.
The Northwest except Balikumbat is held hostage by he SDF; what is in Balikumbat that makes a difference?
Who does not know why Achidi Achu keeps making these utterances. He has always cried openly that he was deposed because of the SDF. The demagogue forgets that it is because of the SDF that he became PM in the first place.

Danny Boy

Mr. Fon, Iam sorry to have missed your posting under an earlier debate. I have been wondering what the joke on "fitchuck" would have sounded like. Please do me the favour and send this to my address at anjeh_50@hotmail.co.uk.
I like your observations above. It is indeed thanks to the SDF that this mediocre politician came to be made PM.
It is not Friday yet and I am feeling this tired! Must leave you guys to continue with the debate.
Mr. Mbu, thanks for the acknowledgements. We are on the same side.

Fon

Danny Boy;
The men who drink the dregs of "fitchuck" perform well and there is always a high probability to score twins.Hahahaha

Amos

Wow... Its amazing how we from the northwest still act like babies everyday. I dont know if the people I would call out here ever come on this web page or if they read the papers, but I have to speak it out here....
First Achidi Achu..
How on earth in God's name can you feel comfortable to sit and think Fru Ndi is against peace.. okay, let me give a little background information about myself.. I am just a regular cameroonian kid from NW.. still 18 years old, but smart enough to understand how ignorant and irreasonable these people are. Even though I criticize all the cameroonian politicians including Fru Ndi, I still give Fru Ndi credit because he has kept Cameroon from the outbreak of any kind of war.. God bless you for that Fru Ndi. Now everyone from the NW knows that after Fru Ndi lost in 1992, all the boys in bamenda were ready to fight for him. Then 2004 again, all these "gari boys" were just waiting for Fru Ndi to give just a hint for revolt, and they would be ready. But all that did not happen. Achidi Achu, tell me how many times you can safely walk out of ur hut in Santa without being scared of your own fellow people? yes, we all know you are really scared, and the president sits there playing you and your brothers like toys around. What I never understand is why you top dogs of CPDM always act like you lost your manhood. You get disgraced all the time, yet you cant stay in your santa hut and enjoy your retirement.

Zack Forjindam...
Its so sad you happen to be my uncle, so you are like my dad, and if a child notices the dad doesnt reason, the dad really has to go to church. I respect you as a very educated person, but at the same time.. come on, why would you want the next cameroonian generation to share in the blood money you promise them just so that you please your president, and safe your position? The bible itself says "If anyone causes these young ones to sin, he should have a stone tied around his neck and cast in the ocean". Yes, I beleive you dont see that ever happening to you, but know God is looking down on Cameroon. Change is coming. God bless you, and hey, please have some prestige. Are you not ashame of the fact that these kids dont have jobs? where is your concience? yet you would give the jobs only if they vote for your party huh? wow.

And to all the young cameroonians out there, let me tell you this. I dont care if you are from northwest, southwest, center, littoral, far north, francophone, anglophone, whatever. It still boils down to one thing; the youths of cameroon need those opportunities. We need to make the future cameroon what the anthem calls it "cradle of our fathers, land of promise, land of glory", "berceau de nos ancestres, chere patrie, terre cherie".. yes. Please dont let these politicians corrupt you. What I want to see is for the young cameroonian generation to open their eyes and stop thinking they are babies. If we get out there, start a movement for the youths, we would bring change whenever it comes. One main thing would be making sure our next president is not a 65 year old grand father, but a youth like us, so that we would not get jobs because we vote for Forjindam's CPDM, but we would get jobs because we are Cameroonian citizens. Yes, if we do this, mark my words, we would bring back this land of glory Ahidjo started building. Please youths, stop thinking you are still babies, read all these stuff going on now, follow the news, see how our parents are messing up like sheep in the desert, then we would together see how we would make our influence heard. A little hint for you:
-70% of the Cameroonian population is between 18-35 years old
This 70% is pretty much not involved in politics and doesnt vote. Therefore only 30% of the population votes, and this percentage is divided amongst many parties. This means that if we as youths come up in a united front, and bring our problems as young cameroonians together, and see how we can solve them, we would make a great impact even in the next presidential election. yes, I know you are thinking it would be rigged as usual, but that cannot be successful even if the rigging party has all the 30%.. Think again about this.
God Bless Our Home Cameroon.

M Nje

“if your typing showed you were quoting Watesih, I guess it should have been different. But now,I know”
Mbu B

Mr. Mbu B
Go back to my comment on Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 02:14PM. Your will see that the sentence in question is the last in a three sentence paragraph. The entire paragraph is presented in double quotations and Watesih is written beneath. That should indicate to you that the entire paragraph is from Watesih. How do you read? Read in-between the lines.

Can you provide me a correct alternation that you think should have been used to present that paragraph more that how I did on Tuesday, 27 February 2007 at 02:14PM. Otherwise, I suggest you read well before you comment.


There is a council on medical evacuation in La Republique Francaise Du Cameroun that is responsible for approving the evacuation of any citizen who is recommended to it. It is the law of La Republique Francaise Du Cameroun. That is a fact. If you need information check with the ministry of public health or any health law. You should get details about it. It may not be common knowledge to may citizens of La Republique but it is there.

Ma Mary

Every country has its rules on matters like this, and they differ from country to country. It has to be based on rules, not a matter of politics or being indebted to anyone, definitely not because of the political humbug coming out of Achidi Achu.

My real question is why are these children of Southern Cameroons wasting their time? It will not matter in the end, because la Republique is not rule governed. People in la republique show their mettle by showing how far they can except themselves from rules once they are made.

When Southern Cameroonians are locking their horns like this, it is a desired result: divide and rule. The Riccardios and Forkams quietly observe shaking their hands with satisfaction. When there is a story of blatant election fraud, also a desired result. Just assert yourself as a Southern Cameroonian, and they crowd you like a bunch of hungry piranha. When the piranhas gather, it is always a good sign that you are doing the right thing.

Mbu.B

M Nje,
did you know Hon. Ngwasiri needed evacuation for proper medical care? Thank God his case turned better. Where was the medical council?
The law of Cameroon is what is applied and not what is written, so please forgive your 'paper medical council.'

This is the part I couldn't catch below.

“By having the second largest group of Deputies in Parliament, a good chunk of Councils means he is involved in legislation. All these bodies generate a lot of income for the state, as a result of the coordinator( party leader`s )
activities.The salary,bodyguards that the state would provide him with is not even one one hundredth of the income he generates for the state.”
Watesih

Watesih was written above and below and then below another Watesih. Sometimes you simply indicate you are quoting somebody, I mean not only with the quotation marks.
Moreover, I have gone through and realized Watesih actually wrote that and I understand the sense in his writing which does not contradict anything I wrote to counteract your argument.
If you have to quote another person again and you place it that way, I'll continue to misunderstand. But I guess others will be smarter to grasp it immediately.

Watesih

M. Mbu,
No qualms,i`m the one who made the statement you erroneously associated N Nje with.What i meant was that the salary the state would provide for an Opposition Leader is even incommensurate to the income he generates for the state as a result of his political activities.What we are saying is that there are ,and will always be citizens who make special contributions to the state ,and the way the state handles them is always given a master`s touch.As Ma Mary opined above,this recognition varies from Country to country,but the end result is the same.When President Biya gave Roger Milla 100 million,gave him the leeway to travel through any Travel Agency in the country without paying long before he was made Ambassador at the Unity Palace,this was exactly the special treatment that is reserved for people who make special contributions.N Nje ,how many Cameroonians will be given money worth a sickbed in a Swiss Hospital because the Council on medical evacuation stipulates such a clause?
This council may stipulate this but the magnitude,and degree of effectiveness is completely different.Its just like telling us that if Late Gustave Essaka had applied something of this nature,they would have even listened to him.You read it here ,as i did last time when the government invited Political leaders to discuss Elecam.When most of them arrived,their arrival did not raise any eyebrows,but when Fru Ndi arrived,
state protocal treated it as a red-letter event.This is what political clout is all about.This is what being a leadeer of the opposition is all about.People recognize your services,and subsequently treat you like a Ceasar.

Kavava

Hon.Fon Angwfor's argument against reorganistion of the CPDM in Northwest province is wrong and an abuse to the youth.It raises the question of how sustainable CPDM politics is. The are thousands of competent cameroonians who could usher better politics for the party espercially among the Youth. So Mr. Fon know that your grand children are also entilted to that same office you have held hostage for so long.

DaDiceman

Sociopathic mukete, aka mukete, aka original mukete, aka fon lawrence, you are back with your mad man's ramblings. You are obviously still not reading the instructions on your medications. Are you on day release from the psychiatric ward, or do they have internet access in the mental hospital in which you are confined?

Tita Mofaw

Achidi Achu is one the most ungrateful creatures still walking the face of the earth.Seems his greed has forced him to narrow the scope of his dirty philosophy of "scratch ma back ah scratch ya own"

His beef with Ni John is because he thinks the success of the party in the NW is the reason why he is no longer PM. Typical example of a stupid anglophone politician. Pa is grateful to Paul Biya instead of Ni John. Who on earth doesn't know that Achidi Achu replaced Sardou Ayattou because of the acitivities of the SDF. Why was A. Achu not made PM long before the heat from the North West threatened to set the country ablaze? Popo had no reason to include a village chief like Achidi Achu who has about 20 women and more than 200 children.These are the people causing trouble in that country.Achidi Achu should bow down infront of Ni John and pay his gratitudes to him.Who in his right senses would ever have supported an old fashioned man like Achu to take up such a responble position?

What can he do beside sending trucks of corn and sweet potatoes to feed the batallion of children that he is raising all over Cameroon.He is disgusting and should hide his face under a viel. He is a complete disgrace.He should go express his stupidity and ungratefulness to the likes of Tamfu.

DaDiceman

Mukete (aka original mukete, aka fon lawrence) no one need call you a madman for the world to know you are a sociopath....the proof is all there in your "contributions" to this forum.

Fon

Tita Mofaw,
You have just said exactly what I said about Achidi Achu in other words. Either it is frustration or this man must be the most stupid politician that I have ever come across.
Out of desparation, he even went further to say that the SDF has held the NW except Balikumbat hostage for 16years. This period icludes when he was PM (thanks to the SDF). AS a PM, what did he do to rescue the NW which he claims has been held hostage by the SDF?
He went further to shamelessly aver that Paul Biya is the state. What pricks me more is the general believe from these CPDM buffons that what ever Biya does to them is a favour. They have no political conviction of their own. They believe that once they are appointed they must serve just the interest of the one who appointed them.

Like Musonge and at present Inoni, what did Achidi Achu do to address the plight of Anglophones during his tenure as a PM? It is during Achidi´s rule that the name united republic of Cameroon was replaced by Republic du Cameroun.
His voice is not supposed to be heard again today anywhere especially within the ranks of Anglophones

Fritzane Kiki HK


Thank you Rexon and Original Mukete,
It is high time and enough for these SDF money-mongers and hunger-striken Ntarikon messengers,who stand for politicians to open up and follow their friends to the CPDM than to be fooling around ministries begging for crumps.They have failed ever since and if they need to be taking salaries from the La Republique they should come out clear fulfil those 'conditions';they know them well they are all time friends.

Look at these bunch of SDF mayors who stand for a political change yet are there doing thesame corrutptive activities even more than their predicessors.I am afraid those lies and betraying rallies will not work this time since the 'Chairman' has been disproved and his followers and sympathisers are now gaining consciousness from slumber.It will be a shame to see those sympathisers pretend to see for themselves the corruption and embezzlement rocking from within and without the SDF.Who says 'Suffer Don Finish' when 'Suffer Don Flourish'.Now they are now to receive the missing salaries for years now ...ohh!! Shame on them all....

At one time I asked them to choose to either join the SCNC or openly declear their willingness to cooperate with the CPDM,than hidding behind the curtain of the SDF while eating from thesame plate with their CPDM counterparts,in their covers.It has been uncovered ever since but now Bi Mvondo wants to make it legal by 'asking Fru to fulfil certain conditions'.hahahahahah!!! Guess what 'conditions' they mean??? 'Joining the CPDM!!!', in the 'one-party-multi-party-regime' of La Republique.Lol .... 'It never rains but it pours'

Fritzane Kiki
Hong Kong

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