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Ma Mary

Good first move, not participating in Biya's government. Joining the struggle for the Southern Cameroons is still not part of NJFN and SDF agenda.

lionking

Mr NJFN you andthe SDF are already canvassing together with the regime which you are comdemn in daylight.Where you forced to lead your supports to the pools during the elections?You preach change clear program, can you make your plans clearly known to your followers?You want to rule a nation when you have not failed in managing the SDF,i wonder the future you can bring cameroonians if given a chance.

mk the southerner

"Fru Ndi argued that just one serious Parliamentarian can cause an earthquake".

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mk the southerner

"Fru Ndi argued that just one serious Parliamentarian can cause an earthquake".

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mk the southerner

"Fru Ndi argued that just one serious Parliamentarian can cause an earthquake".

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Jojo

Well Pa Ni John Fru Ndi the press confrence was well done on your part but we still need alot from you like getting the brian boxes of this party by your Ntarikon palace and to make use of the rightful people in likes of the Retired chief justice Nyo-wakai,Prof Ndive Kofelle Kale, Andrew Akonteh and many more names that have just gone to the cold cause of your meddling with low weights and people of no substance in the likes of Yoyo,Mbah Ndams and your SG the SDF deserves a virbrant SG, this people will never ever direct you to the right direction.
Mind you as this days go by we fine this our beloved party SDF sinking and not having the deserved forced it had cause you have taken on feasting with people of no reputaions and lack the sense of direction.
Pa NJFN its high time our past politicians made errors we dont want you to do same and to apologise to use as the Muna's Foncha and the Fonka Shang's did in the past.
They is just one thing remaining in your whole political carier cause you are on a tinny string now it will either cut or you make it worthy by making haste to work for the next coming presidential elections from now and making a good decision on who stand for it as presidential cadidate its all in your hands.

Mbahmi Mark-Henry

Ni John. I must tell you that I am really disappointed in you. The simple fact that you have refused to leave the seat as boss of the SDF shows that not only must there be something hidden that you are enjoying, but also that you do not practice the principle of democracy which you preach. Let me tell you something. Today, Cameroonians want Biya to go not because he is a bad person but because he has been there for too long. Biya has been a good president. He has instituted the possibility of Democracy, multi-partism, freedom of expression and opinion, and good diplomatic relations. Yet we want him to go because we need change. You have been there for too long. We are tired of you. You are not bringing anything new. The party is dying. You are a big hypocrite. You call for unity in the opposition but all you want is that the others should bring their votes to you. You showed us this in 2004. I just want you to know that if you really love Cameroon, you will stop dreaming to become the president on day because you would be 1000times worse than what you accuse Biya to be.
He at least keeps unity and peace in his party. You dismiss everybody who does not bow to your demands. Right now you have nobody who can give you good advise and you think you can still call the SDF a party. I pity you. I am not trying to insult you because you are a great cameroonian. In fact you are the founding father of Democracy. So atleast you can be remembered for that. But I think that whatever you are doing today isn't helping cameroonians. I beg you on my knees leave the party to a younger person. Cameroonians are loosing confidence-I am loosing confidence. Thank you

Tombele

Mbahmi Mark-Henry I really don't know what you are writing about. Biya is a good president then why do you want to change, keep the good thing, go back to Cameroon and enjoy the good regime. Are you in the US? Are you one of this "Johnny just come"? You want NJF to put a younger person, read what NJF is telling you, it is allegiance, standing steadfast in the face of this useless and brutal regime, look at how many traitors have tried to sell the SDF to the other thieves, if he was to allow the other traitors like Ngwasiri, Muna etc there will be only one party in Cameroon today. This Biya regime is not easy to take down because he is supported by outside influences. NJF is right this big useless elephant is being attacked every day and Cameroonians are seeing the devastation caused by cpdm except you, maybe you got a scholarship from them and still getting your salary in Cameroon, without NJF you will not list the good things you claim about this regime. I have not seen anybody who has NJF's charisma and braveness, others will bought overnight. Muna made a lot of noise formed his own party, where is he? He was paid to split the SDF vote, watch in the next coming months he will cross to get his garri. Wake up!!! Again as NJF has said, it is only a matter of time, you seem impatient, the ball is in the people's court, they can bring down this regime by massively taking to the streets.

simplice

" Let me tell you something. Today, Cameroonians want Biya to go not because he is a bad person but because he has been there for too long. Biya has been a good president. He has instituted the possibility of Democracy, multi-partism, freedom of expression and opinion, and good diplomatic relations" by Mhabmi Henry Mark(USA)
Mbahmi, tell me your age and how long you've been in the US and I'll tell you who you are. In the main, I leave Pa Ngembus to welcome your first paragraph on this forum.
Pa Ngembus; fait le toucher le fond de sa bétisse.

Mbahmi Mark-Henry

Dear Simplice and Tombele
Thanks for your comments. Let me tell you guys one sad truth. You have attaked my personality and motives without touching anything I said. Of what relevance is my location and how long I have spent there. You guys are examples of people who don't want to hear the truth. You spend your time defending what is not correct. It is in the same attitude that Biya thinks he's the only one who is capable of being President that NJF things he's the only one who can be chairman of SDF. Think about it. Was Nelson Mandela a bad president, was Bill Clinton one. You guys say I had a scholarship from the Cameroon gov't is this an accustaion or a comment? I don't and have never received any help from the Cameroon gov't although I have always deserved it. You guys spend your time defending NJF and let us see where all that leads. We are tired of this old men. Why do militants of the SDF always think NJF should not be criticized. An attack on him is always seen as credit to the regime. Let me make my stand point clear. I want Biya out and Ni out period. But I guess I don't have the power to do any, so lets just see the way thing unfold.

simplice

Mbahmi,
Thanks for your diplomatic enlightenment.Your opinion is quite welcoming.I'm sorry if I did offend you. But tell us,have you just graduated from teen age?. Or say, how old are you and for how long have you bee in the US?. Please just let us know as a syntax of introduction.(No mockery intended).
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Ted

Ah, the post is back with its sensational coverage and critics.

M Nje

What a shame. Mr. Chairman, you and your SDF will come to apologies to the people of Southern Cameroons for the falsehood, deception, and misinformation that the SDF continuous to spread to our people.

Now you are caught in a dead end with no outlet. You really believe the UN Human Right Commission will grant you victory in a foreign country; La Republique Du Cameroun. This is insanity. Be careful as you go to the UN Human Right Commission, because the people of Southern Cameroons can also bring the SDF before that same commission as they did to La Republique Du Cameroun.

"Fru Ndi argued that just one serious Parliamentarian can cause an earthquake".

Really, the SDF had 22 parliamentarians why did they not cause 22 earthquakes. Or is it that they were not "serious parliamentarians"

Our people are faced with serious life and death issues here. These are issues that have to do with the future generation of Southern Cameroonians for the rest of time. It is evil for any group of people or political party to take such serious issues as a means for personal financial gains. The occupation of Southern Cameroon by La Republique Du Cameroun is not a business opening for profitable political parties. It is indeed a big shame to take advantage of such vulnerable moments for personal financial. Taking part in La Republiques` politics is a business decision that has nothing to do with the issues facing the people today. But nature is taking its course. You cannot build a foundation based on falsehood. The SDF will come to realize that.

princekumba

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1. SUMMARY. Despite Cameroon's relative political
stability, the number of approved asylum claims
entered by Cameroonians in the U.S. remains high,
creating a long-term increase in post's workload as
aslyees file for their relatives to join them. Post
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1991, no Cameroonian asylum claims were approved, and
only 4 in FY 1992. Since then, there has been a
dramatic increase in the number of approved
Cameroonian asylum claims, with the number reaching
708 in FY 2002 and 823 in FY 2003. This makes
Cameroon the asylum leader among all African countries
and places it in the top five source countries
worldwide (keeping company with China, Haiti, and
Colombia). As noted in reftel, post knows of no
legitimate political reason why the number of approved
Cameroonian asylum claims should increase so
dramatically. The political situation in Cameroon has
1991 (on the

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not degenerated materially since
contrary, in fact). Cameroon has not been racked by
civil war, as have many other African countries,
including Ethiopia and Congo-DRC. What has changed
since 1991 is the state of Cameroon's economy, which
1989 and a
has suffered from a recession starting in
large devaluation of the local currency in 1994. The
present unemployment rate is unknown, but is estimated
to be 30-40 percent.

3. As noted in reftel, post has evidence that many of
these asylum claims are frivolous or fraudulent, made by economic migrants. Among mala fide Cameroonian
nonimmigrant visa applicants, making an asylum claim
is a well-known route to getting immigration status in the U.S. and permission to work. There appear to be rings of facilitators, both in Cameroon and the U.S.,
who charge Cameroonians high fees for coaching in
asylum claims and assistance in staying in the United
States with fake documents. Reports from DHS
inspectors at POE tell of numerous Cameroonian
travelers who are denied entry carrying suitcases full of fake police reports and government stamps,
indicating plans to manufacture evidence of persecution for their fellow asylum-seekers.

4. Fake medical reports attesting to abuse at the
hands of police and letters from political parties or local human rights NGOs attesting to an asylee
applicant's activities are easily obtained. The
consular section's fraud investigator has investigated scores of such documents at the request of Immigration
(yes, all) of them
Judges and DHS prosecutors, and all
have turned out to be false. Professional salaries
and standards for journalists are very low in
Cameroon, and asylum-seekers often pay unscrupulous
reporters to write and publish falsified accounts of their imprisonment and torture. These stories are
later introduced in asylum proceedings as independent evidence to support the asylum-seeker's story of
persecution. Also, post has seen cases of Cameroonian
political party officials giving suspect testimony via
telephone to Immigration Judges during asylum
proceedings to support the asylum claims of their

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associates.

5. When officers at Embassy Yaounde interview follow-
to-join spouses about their asylee husband or wife's
political activities, detention, or torture before
they fled to the U.S., the spouses often know nothing


about any political activities or persecution. when
asked about why their husbands or wives went to the
U.S., beneficiaries quite frequently admit that the
petitioners went to the U.S. "to work." Furthermore,
on several occasions, we have met Cameroonian asylees
in person when they came to Embassy Yaounde seeking
routine consular services. When pressed about their
immigration status in the U.S., they sheepishly admit
to being asylees. When asked about how they can
return to Cameroon if they fear persecution here, they
can offer no coherent explanation.

6. Beyond the immediate fraud concerns they present,
Cameroonian asylee cases have a long-term impact on
post's consular workload. When an asylum claim is
approved, the asylee can immediately file 1-730
petitions to bring family members to the U.S. as
derivatives in the Visas 92 process. For mala fide
Cameroonian visa applicants who intend to move their
families to the U.S., the Visas 92 process offers many
advantages. It is extremely quick compared to the
traditional immigrant visa process, as 1-730 petitions
are usually processed by BCIS in a matter of months
and Visas 92 beneficiaries do not have priority dates
-- they are eligible to emigrate as soon as the
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petition is approved. Moreover, filing an

the petitioner nothing and Visas
no processing fees at post.


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92

beneficiaries pay


7. In reftel, post requested that DHS provide
information about the number of Cameroonian asylum-
seekers and whether they held valid visas obtained at
Embassy Yaounde. Post has the answer to that
question, and it is discouraging. Before interviewing 1-730 beneficiaries, we check the NIV system record of the NIV issuance to the petitioner. While we are
primarily searching for information that might raise fraud concerns during the Visas 92 interviews,
checking the NIV system also tells us about
petitioners -- if they had valid NIVs and, if so, how
they got them.

8. Almost all of the petitioners were issued NIVs at
Embassy Yaounde, having persuaded a consular officer
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of their nonimmigrant intent. However, the number of
these that were issued with one entry, limited
validity, and annotations about purpose of travel and
itinerary is striking. These indicate that the
adjudicating officer had misgivings about the
applicant, but nevertheless issued the visa..
Moreover, a surprising number of these NIV approvals
came on the petitioner's second application -- one
consular officer had already rejected the applicant
under INA 214(b), then another consular officer,
apparently persuaded by the petitioner's story about
purpose of travel, issued.

9. Also striking is how many Visas 92 petitioners
entered the U.S. on F-1 visas. Post has previously
noted that many mala fide Cameroonian applicants
request F-is rather than B-2s, hoping that their
relative youth, lack of a job, and no prior travel
will count less against them if they are students.
Apparently many of these successful mala fide
applicants make asylum claims to remain in the U.S.

10. Judging by the evidence submitted by many Visas
92 beneficiaries as proof of their relationship with
petitioners, many of the NIV holders-turned-asylees
had no intention of returning to Cameroon. Having
reviewed many hundreds of Cameroonian family photos,
post has identified a new genre, in addition to
birthday and wedding photos: pictures taken at the
Yaounde and Douala airports showing the petitioner,
just before his or her departure, escorted by a large
group of friends and extended family, including the
beneficiaries. From these photos, it is quite clear
that they're not seeing the petitioner off on a
temporary visit to the U.S. Moreover, the existence


of the photos suggests that the beneficiaries knew
that they would one day be asked to produce evidence

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of their relationship with the petitioner -- they knew before they left Cameroon what they were going to do
in the U.S. and what it takes to bring family members over.


Fraud Begets Fraud, and Increased Workload: Problems
With Derivative Asylees (Visas 92)


11. Given the fraud environment in Cameroon and the
region, many of the "family members" claimed by
asylees in the 1-730 petitions they file with BCIS are
not, in fact, their family members as the INA or any
reasonable person would use that term. Post has
learned through hard experience that, for almost every
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must check relevant civil documents with the
government office that issued them. Many of them turn
out to be fake, despite the photographic evidence
beneficiaries submit. Post regularly sees cases in
which beneficiaries staged a wedding at a town hall
for the sole purpose of taking proof-of-relationship
photos. When contacted, mayors and civil status
registrars at these town halls tell us that the
certificates are fake and deny that the weddings ever
happened.

12. Even without undertaking document verification,
checking the NIV system record of the visa issuance to
the petitioner (which started the whole affair)
frequently raises fraud concerns. Notes left by the
adjudicating officer about the petitioner's family
situation are quite helpful, especially in cases where
derivative spouses or children appear as the Visas 92
beneficiaries of a petitioner who told us he was
single when he applied for his NIV. Post sometimes
discovers that the "petitioner" in proof-of-
relationship photos submitted by a Visas 92
beneficiary does not match the photo of the petitioner
that we have in the NIV system. Given that
Cameroonian marriage certificates usually have an
attached photo of the couple, checking issuance
records in the Consular Consolidated Database (CCD)
would be an easy method by which BCIS could check that
the person named on the marriage certificate is, in
fact, the petitioner.

13. While a high fraud rate is simply business as
usual in Cameroon and the region, Visas 92 cases seem
to be much more subject to fraud that other types of
immigrant visa cases processed by Embassy Yaounde,
perhaps due to the ease of filing I-730s. As a
result, Visas 92 cases consume a disproportionate
amount of post's anti-fraud resources and contribute
disproportionately to post workload. They constitute
by far the largest number of approved petitions that
post returns to BCIS for revocation. Drafting
revocation memoranda and replying to the inevitable
Congressional inquiries in these cases further taxes
post's resources.

14. Moreover, the high and growing number of
Cameroonian asylees breeds additional workload and
fraud in other consular functions as asylees attempt
to circumvent the Visas 92 process to bring relatives
over. We regularly refuse NIV applications from the
spouses of asylees who only admit to the relationship
when pressed, and post has seen cases where asylee
parents have tried to obtain NIVs for their children
by sending them to apply with other adult relatives.
Asylum cases also have long-term effects on post's ACS
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least six complicated and time-consuming child custody
cases in the past two years, each one involving an
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to Cameroon to be reared by relatives.

Lessons Learned

15. In light of the apparent ease in making an asylum
claim and getting 1-730 petitions approved, Embassy
Yaounde has almost completely discounted family ties
in evaluating NIV applications. If an applicant
really wants to stay in the U.S., family ties will not
bring him back, especially as the Visas 92 process
permits him to bring his family over relatively
quickly and inexpensively. Post's overall NIV refusal
rate for Cameroonians has increased from 35 percent in
FY 2001 to 60 percent in FY 2004. In addition, post
now scrutinizes every Visas 92 case with an eye
towards fraud, asking in most cases for document
verification or DNA testing.

16. Post wishes to point out the utility of checking
the Consular Consolidated Database (CCD) in
adjudicating both original asylum claims and 1-730
petitions- Many Visas 92 petitioners, according to
NIV system notes, had previously traveled to South
Africa, Europe, or even the U.S. In these cases, it
is quite clear that that the asylum claimant had
previous chances to make his claim, but did not.
Furthermore, NIV system notes replicated in the CCD
frequently have information about the petitioner's
family (such as marital status and number of children)
that might be helpful in adjudicating 1-730 petitions.


Comment


17. In reftel, post commented that each DHS decision
to grant asylum in the U.S. has a long-term impact on
our operations. According to DHS statistics,
Cameroonians do not enter the most asylum claims.
However, a relatively high proportion (50 percent) of
Cameroonian claims are approved, and with each
approval, whole families follow. Post wishes to
reiterate its observation that the number of approved
Cameroonian asylum claims is enormously
disproportionate to the actual political situation
here, especially when compared with the number of
approved claims from other countries in Africa and
worldwide. ICE inspectors at Dulles POE say that they
routinely pull Cameroonian travelers into secondary
inspection because of the high rate of fraud. Post

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advises other branches of DHS to view Cameroonian
asylum requests with such skepticism and welcomes
suggestions for bringing the fraud issue to the
attention of DHS asylum adjudicators and Immigration
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membership cards and birth certificates), it is'relatvely easy
for
unscrupulous claimants to produce ample "evidence" of persecution which would appear genuine to adjudicators not familiar with
country
conditions. This message seeks to outline the story behind the story so asylum (and other) adjudicators can make informed
decisions
about the stories and documents presented to them. End Summary.


r"_owCorruption and Media Freedom-
Facilitate Asylum Fraud


2. (U) Cameroon consistently ranks as one of the world's most
corrupt countries. As such, almost everything is for sale,
including membership cards in "outlawed" organizations, newspaper
articles, letters from non-licensed individuals claiming to be
medical authorities attesting to medical treatment as a result of
political persecution, fraudulent documents concerning the
"arrest"
of a political prisoner signed by actual police officials;
photographs of supposed political prisoners in jail cells with
actual police officers present, and attorneys and bailiffs
writing
affidavits claiming events that have never taken place such as
the
burning of houses by alleged government agents. The Embassy has
seen direct evidence of all these self-serving activities and
believes that the vast majority of asylum claims by Cameroonians
are
fraudulent-

3. (U) Cameroon boasts a dizzying array of newspapers which
print
just about anything they like. In addition to a generally free
press environment, the media is usually free of fact-checking and editorial control. Moreover, because advertising is virtually
non-existent, papers rely'on paid placements articles
favorable

UNCLASSIFIED
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Jun 05 07 12: 17p 702-614-0400 p.3


UNCLASSIFIED

to or critical of individuals or groups. Newspaper articles are not/not reliable to substantiate claims of persecution.
4. (U) While Cameroon has had problems with political repression
and human rights, these are not as widespread as one might infer
from media and NGO reporting on the subjects, which is often only
underpinned by one or two examples. The publication of the State
Department's annual Human Rights Report has provided ample
material
for malfeasant applicants to ."substantiate" bogus asylum claims,
with the stunning result that Cameroon continues to rank among
the
top sources of asylum claims, in league with China and Colombia,
while dramatically outstripping the Sudan, Venezuela, Pakistan
and.
dwarfing the figures from other countries with far worse human
rights records and much larger populations. (Ref. A)


SCNC: Fast Track to Asylum


5. (U) The most egregious misuse of material drawn from the
Human
Rights Report involves the Southern Cameroons National Council
(SCNC), an unregistered group that advocates secession, illegal
activity under Cameroonian law. We know that detailed reports of
political persecution, to include photographs, testimony and
press
articles placed for a fee, are fregtiently manufactured by
Cameroonians seeking asylum in the United States and elsewhere.
(Ref . A)

.:. s - RKMMMTF�

UNCLASSIFIED
3



Jun 05 07 12:17p


Creating a fraudulent
asylum claim

702-614-0400 p.4

UNCLASSIFIED


7. (U) Like other young democracies, Cameroon faces challenges

as
it becomes an increasingly open and democratic society. Problems
it
has that would substantiate asylum claims are certainly more the
exception than the rule, though unscrupulous applicants have
resurrected past conflicts, using them out of context for present day claims.

B. (U) In 2006, the Consular Section adjudicated 939 cases of
asylum, many containing doubtful claims of asylum given the
situation in Cameroon. This put Cameroon in the top ten
°sendina"
countries in the world - which is an amazing statistic
considering
the small population (about 17-16 million) and relatively limited
infringements on human rights evident in the co,mtry.

9. (U) During follow-to-join interviews, beneficiaries recount,
over and over, the same canned claims of persecution for
membership
in the SCNC. Such claims should be'viewed with extreme skepticism
and carefully reviewed, because most applicants are clearly
attempting to use one provision of U.S. law to violate others.

10. (U) The Embassy is aware that some NIV holders enter the
United
States with fraudulent claims already fully prepared; travelers
have
been stopped at the border with forms already completed, pictures
of
alleged injuries already in hand, and bogus press articles
(easily
placed for a small fee) already clipped out. Just down-the street
from the Embassy, visa fixers openly advertise that they offer -
for
a fee - advice on how to prepare U.S. asylum claims.

11. (U) applicants freely describe the alleged persecution in a very public area, and newspaper editorials and public perception strongly suggest that Cameroonians view economic hardship and a
dysfunctional government as the basis for an asylum claim.
Furthermore, discussions with applicants make it apparent that

UNCLASSIFIED
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L


Jun 05 07 12: 18p

they

702-614-0400 p.5

UNCLASSIFIED

are well aware of the desirability of circumventing immigration
laws
using the asylum procedure - a phenomenon that seems particularly widespread among NIV applicants who enter as "students." Even
one
Fulbright recipient freely admitted to an Embassy Officer that he and his wife had filed a false asylum petition.

12. (U) Beneficiaries present fraudulent documents to
demonstrate
child-parent relationships, marriages and dubious adoptions. Due
to
the rampant corruption in Cameroon, it is very easy to produce an adoption, marriage or birth certificate through attestation,
bribing
a government official, or using one of the highly skilled forgers
who operate openly on the streets. Such claims are bolstered by
entire packages of altered photographs, falsified letters and
other
bogus documents.

13. (U) A significant number of claims are sent for DNA testing
because the beneficiary cannot present evidence of a relationship
with the petitioner in the U.S. At times, during the interview,
beneficiaries claim their relatives left Cameroon for better
economic opportunities in the U.S., leading Consular Officers to
believe that asylum fraud has occurred. Beneficiaries who were
recommended for DNA testing have also admitted that other
children
presented were not biological children of the petitioner.

14. (U) While Consular Officers did not re-adjudicate asylee
cases,
it was apparent through the beneficiaries' interviews that the
petitioners in the U.S. greatly exaggerated their claims. This
deception runs even to stronger sounding cases, such as one
involving a senior SCNC official whose testimony in support of
his
asylum claim was contradicted by the account his wife gave during
an
NIV interview. So far in 2007, wehave recommended fifty cases
for
revocation, citing fraudulent marriages and fraudulent children_

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corruption that exist in the country than of political repression
or
other abuses that might prompt someone to seek refuge in the United
States. With every conceivable document readily available for
sale
membership cards and birth certificates), it is'relatvely easy
for
unscrupulous claimants to produce ample "evidence" of persecution which would appear genuine to adjudicators not familiar with
country
conditions. This message seeks to outline the story behind the story so asylum (and other) adjudicators can make informed
decisions
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2. (U) Cameroon consistently ranks as one of the world's most
corrupt countries. As such, almost everything is for sale,
including membership cards in "outlawed" organizations, newspaper
articles, letters from non-licensed individuals claiming to be
medical authorities attesting to medical treatment as a result of
political persecution, fraudulent documents concerning the
"arrest"
of a political prisoner signed by actual police officials;
photographs of supposed political prisoners in jail cells with
actual police officers present, and attorneys and bailiffs
writing
affidavits claiming events that have never taken place such as
the
burning of houses by alleged government agents. The Embassy has
seen direct evidence of all these self-serving activities and
believes that the vast majority of asylum claims by Cameroonians
are
fraudulent-

3. (U) Cameroon boasts a dizzying array of newspapers which
print
just about anything they like. In addition to a generally free
press environment, the media is usually free of fact-checking and editorial control. Moreover, because advertising is virtually
non-existent, papers rely'on paid placements articles
favorable

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to or critical of individuals or groups. Newspaper articles are not/not reliable to substantiate claims of persecution.
4. (U) While Cameroon has had problems with political repression
and human rights, these are not as widespread as one might infer
from media and NGO reporting on the subjects, which is often only
underpinned by one or two examples. The publication of the State
Department's annual Human Rights Report has provided ample
material
for malfeasant applicants to ."substantiate" bogus asylum claims,
with the stunning result that Cameroon continues to rank among
the
top sources of asylum claims, in league with China and Colombia,
while dramatically outstripping the Sudan, Venezuela, Pakistan
and.
dwarfing the figures from other countries with far worse human
rights records and much larger populations. (Ref. A)


SCNC: Fast Track to Asylum


5. (U) The most egregious misuse of material drawn from the
Human
Rights Report involves the Southern Cameroons National Council
(SCNC), an unregistered group that advocates secession, illegal
activity under Cameroonian law. We know that detailed reports of
political persecution, to include photographs, testimony and
press
articles placed for a fee, are fregtiently manufactured by
Cameroonians seeking asylum in the United States and elsewhere.
(Ref . A)

.:. s - RKMMMTF�

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Creating a fraudulent
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7. (U) Like other young democracies, Cameroon faces challenges

as
it becomes an increasingly open and democratic society. Problems
it
has that would substantiate asylum claims are certainly more the
exception than the rule, though unscrupulous applicants have
resurrected past conflicts, using them out of context for present day claims.

B. (U) In 2006, the Consular Section adjudicated 939 cases of
asylum, many containing doubtful claims of asylum given the
situation in Cameroon. This put Cameroon in the top ten
°sendina"
countries in the world - which is an amazing statistic
considering
the small population (about 17-16 million) and relatively limited
infringements on human rights evident in the co,mtry.

9. (U) During follow-to-join interviews, beneficiaries recount,
over and over, the same canned claims of persecution for
membership
in the SCNC. Such claims should be'viewed with extreme skepticism
and carefully reviewed, because most applicants are clearly
attempting to use one provision of U.S. law to violate others.

10. (U) The Embassy is aware that some NIV holders enter the
United
States with fraudulent claims already fully prepared; travelers
have
been stopped at the border with forms already completed, pictures
of
alleged injuries already in hand, and bogus press articles
(easily
placed for a small fee) already clipped out. Just down-the street
from the Embassy, visa fixers openly advertise that they offer -
for
a fee - advice on how to prepare U.S. asylum claims.

11. (U) applicants freely describe the alleged persecution in a very public area, and newspaper editorials and public perception strongly suggest that Cameroonians view economic hardship and a
dysfunctional government as the basis for an asylum claim.
Furthermore, discussions with applicants make it apparent that

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they

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UNCLASSIFIED

are well aware of the desirability of circumventing immigration
laws
using the asylum procedure - a phenomenon that seems particularly widespread among NIV applicants who enter as "students." Even
one
Fulbright recipient freely admitted to an Embassy Officer that he and his wife had filed a false asylum petition.

12. (U) Beneficiaries present fraudulent documents to
demonstrate
child-parent relationships, marriages and dubious adoptions. Due
to
the rampant corruption in Cameroon, it is very easy to produce an adoption, marriage or birth certificate through attestation,
bribing
a government official, or using one of the highly skilled forgers
who operate openly on the streets. Such claims are bolstered by
entire packages of altered photographs, falsified letters and
other
bogus documents.

13. (U) A significant number of claims are sent for DNA testing
because the beneficiary cannot present evidence of a relationship
with the petitioner in the U.S. At times, during the interview,
beneficiaries claim their relatives left Cameroon for better
economic opportunities in the U.S., leading Consular Officers to
believe that asylum fraud has occurred. Beneficiaries who were
recommended for DNA testing have also admitted that other
children
presented were not biological children of the petitioner.

14. (U) While Consular Officers did not re-adjudicate asylee
cases,
it was apparent through the beneficiaries' interviews that the
petitioners in the U.S. greatly exaggerated their claims. This
deception runs even to stronger sounding cases, such as one
involving a senior SCNC official whose testimony in support of
his
asylum claim was contradicted by the account his wife gave during
an
NIV interview. So far in 2007, wehave recommended fifty cases
for
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Fon

Mbahmi Mark-Henry, It is often said, even the ... have their own say.
It is interesting that you also know of Nelson Mandela. May I know more from you about Nelson Mandela. How long was he the chairman of ANC? To you, is there any difference between the period he served as leader of ANC and when he served as South African head of state?

Do you know the difference between one who is in power and one who is an opposition leader, struggling to accede to power? The fact that you are comparing Biya and Fru Ndi at the helm of power in terms of longivity is enough to allow you have your own say since even the ... have their own say.

rexon

Fon,

What do you have to say about your lord chairmans statement that just one single parliamentarian can cause an equake.

Cheers.

Fon

Rexon, I consider the phrase "your lord chairmans" provocative and there decline to answer you. However, if you can rephrase the question, I will respond.

kouakou

My fellow Cameroonians, I greet you. I understand we all have different political views, and we will definitely have criticisms and arguments, but it really is irrelevant arguing about some stuff. Why are you making it a big deal that Fru Ndi said 1 person caused an earthquake in parliament? He even gave the example of who he is talking about.
So he has proven that one person can do that, and it is rather stupid saying one person cant because you already know one who did. Except you think this person didnt do this by himself. there really is more stuff to criticize rather than facts backed by clear examples.

rexon

Fon,

Apologies if you felt provoked.

To rephrase, what can you say about your chairman's statement that just one single parliamentarian can cause an earthquake?

My interpretation is that he is indirectly finding and excuse to "Colour Mr Biya's democracy". What do you think?

Fon

Rexon,
I have made it clear in earlier postings that the SDF´s decision to go to parliament is a huge mistake. It gives legitimicy to Biya´s corrupt government.
My difference with you is that I don´t see how the SCNC will score a point if Biya´s Government is seen internationally as dictatorial.
Democracy in Cameroon and the struggle for self determination by Southern Cameroons are two parallel issues in the eyes of the international community. Let me repeat again-if the international community sees the Biya´s regime as dictatorial, it will pressurize the regime to undertake democratic reforms; the struggle for self determination by Southern Cameroons is a different issue which can still be persued even if Cameroon is democratic or not.

Ndi O

Fon,
Thanks for ur maturity. Ur last comment is great. The sdf could have their reasons of getting into the House of Representatives if one can hear their story. The fear is just that human kind is self centered these days. The way forward lies with Cameroonians and not their leaders. Anything can be done by anyone if he/she has the will. Nothing is impossible. That is the bitter truth. Let's wake up to realities.
Fon, can u do me a favor by sending to alford_51 @hotmail.com, the comments u once made here wrt the use of "semi colon"? Thank you.
Dear Commentators, i salute u all. All u say from every nook and cranny matters. U owe a responsibility to tell ur loved ones that, their future lies in their hands. They should love each other, be truthful, and wake up. In my opinion, i don't think blaming a leader is the way forward. The simple question is if we are determined as individuals to save the situation at stake.
Stay Blessed.

7512wilson

There has been many calls for Ni John Fru Ndi to resign as leader of SDF to allow a new blood or a new face to take charge. Many have gone as far as comparing Fru Ndi's Chairmanship of the SDF to Biya's presidency. First of all, it is foolish to draw comparisons between leading a political movement/party and leading a nation. The dynamics of a political party versus a Nation are very different and cannot in any way be compared to each other. A leader of an opposition Party such as SDF cannot appoint ministers, sign treaties, appoint Judges, sign decrees, appoint ambassadors and Generals. Those are the functions of the president of a Nation.
Fru Ndi is more than a Leader of a political Party. Fru Ndi is a freedom fighter, a visionary and a champion. He continues to gain the support of his base and at such, must stay loyal to his popular base. As long as Fru Ndi continues to have the support of his contingents and party loyals, he is bound to not let them down. Until there is overwhelming evidence that Fru Ndi is no longer needed or is no longer the popular choice, he most continue to lead the Party that he helped created and not led his followers down. It will be a betrayal for Fru Ndi to yield to outside calls to step down as party Chairman. Longevity as Party leader has nothing to do with being a President of a Nation. I have a few examples to prove my point.

1. Oliver Tambo: ANC President, 1967 to 1991
equals 24 years
2. Jomo Kenyatta:KANA President,1960 to 1978
equals 18 years
3. Nkrumah: CPP(The Convention People's Party) president, 1949 to 1966
equals 17 years
4. Julius Nyerere: Tanganyika National Union(TANU)to (Charma Cha Mapinduzi Party) Chairman, 1954 to 1990
equals 36 years.

I hope i just proved my point.
If some people still think Fru Ndi has been SDF chairman for too long, read between the lines and think again.
John Fru Ndi Sir, your people are still behind you and you must not betray them. Stay Strong.

Fon

7512wilson,
My compliment to you for expanding on my respond to the narrow minded Mbahmi Mark-Henry.Some will never get the point, that leading a political party and a nation are separate issues.

Fon

The Indomitable lions of Cameroon sufferred a 2-0 humulation today in a friendly with Japan. It should also be noted that non of Japan´s strikers took part in the game.
The search for a new coach of the lions continues; Jules Nyonga was in Japan with the team as interim coach.

Fon

correction: humiliation and not humulation.

Paa Ngembus

Fon says

"...
Some will never get the point, that leading a political party and a nation are separate issues.
..."

You are so right my man.

Just like some have difficulty understanding that:

DECOLONIZATION and SECESSION are separate issues.

FEDERATED STATE and COLONY are separate issues.

CITIZEN and ASSIMILEE are separate issues (one can be President, the other cannot).

LA Republique du Cameroun and The Cameroons are separate countries.

Etc., etc., etc.

Are you watching my lips?

Best regards.

Paa Ngembus
THE SOUTHERN CAMEROONS SHALL BE DECOLONIZED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

rexon

Wilson,

How many decades ago are you quoting like that? You SDFers are just too funny. Last time, one of your parliamentarians reminded us that senators stay for long. So he needs to stay for long. Lets just leave Biya there also since that is your take on the issue. Because, both of them have failed in leadership.

7512wilson

Rexon

It is too early to judge whether or not Fru Ndi has failed in leadership. Wait till SDF becomes the governing party, then you can judge with certainty whether or not Fru Ndi is a failure or a success.

M Nje

7512Wlison and Fon,
Are you kidding me. What is your definition of LEADERSHIP? Don`t give me a dictionary definition. Just your own perspectives about what leadership is.

Leadership requires a person to guide you from one place "A" to a place 'B" where he or she has been to. To do that, that leader must be VISIONARY and knows how to get to the promised land. He or she must be a strategic planner. Great leaders are strategic planners and VISIONARIES.

Leadership requires a vision and clear guidance how to get there.

What I have gathered about the S.D.F. is that it was created to take over power from the C.P.D.M. Whether that what the right struggle or not is for another debate. But the bottom line is that the promised land what to gain the Presidency of La Republique Du Cameroun. Ni John Fru Ndi as a leader is taking the responsibility that he has the vision and strategic plan to get there. He has been there in his mind and knows how to get there. After more than 17 years he has not delivered on that promise. That is a FAILURE of leadership. Don`t tell me the C.P.D.M has been rigging elections. As a leader you have the responsible to see that ahead and make adjustments that will help you reach the promised land. He has carried all of you to a dead end with no outlet. That is not leadership. It has nothing to do with his courage or determination. It has to do with a failure to deliver on the original goal.

Now he has become reactive instead of proactive. He waits for the C.P.D.M to make a move then he reacts. That is not leadership

Francis/Germany

Greetings to my fellow Cameroonians. I am very pleased by Ni John´s message here. He is unlike the Southern Cameroonians here who have been advocating for secession but have unfortunately never presented a plan of action. They have never said how they intend to divide C from the set of A, B and C whereas C is made up of c1 and c2 who are to 70 % against division and worse still are at logger heads. John Fru spoke very boldly this time around siting names and standing firm to his since 1990 world wide most successful system of Governance, Federal system of government. Ni John cannot change Cameroon on his own and neither can he count on the foreign countries for they love Biya´s regime because it enables them maintain our poor and corrupt standards and poor health so we could always be dependent on them. Just notice all those for the division in here, when some one brings up a very powerful write up like that of 7512wilson full of facts, they shy away and turn their focus on something else. What a pity. Is this the way we want to change Cameroon. Our destiny lies in our hands. Very sad that Biya has almost succeeded in making cameroonians rejoice because they got food to eat. What about modern technology, good health systems, Good sporting infrastructures, quality education? Why do degree holders have to suffer in the streets of America and Europe while lazy ones enjoy their hard work back at home? Let´s get up. Ni John Fru Ndi is just a political leader who has ameloriated the lifes of many hopeless Cameroonians. Join him in fighting for your rights. Despite all the sabotage he remains the number 1 political opposition leader in Cameroon.We have clearly seen how traitors like Bello Buba and the rest failed us. If he really was that bad , he wouldn´t have been at the helm of this party till date. Wake up fellow Cameroonians. Concerning the football match against Japan, i just feel that the poor performance is owed to many aspects. Long flights , no preparation, poor management and most importantly very wrong timing for all those boys have to play for their clubs this week end. Who wants to risk his carrear playing a friendly game for a country which doesn´t care about him? I wouldn´t. The J-League is at it´s 22nd day of play whereas most of our boys are still thinking of which club they would play for. In any case it was just a friendly game. Long live the UNITED replublic of Cameroon.

M Nje

All you have left is to sing praises to the Lord Chairman. There is nothing to do.

He has carried all of you, his BLIND FOLLOWERS, to a dead end. There is no way out. Now he is preaching about taking La Republique`s government to the UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva and to the African Charter of Human and People's Rights in Banjul to overturn the results of the presidential election in 1992. I guest the international courts is the new method the S.D.F. is going to use to gain the presidency. What is next? I guest he will have to address a written mail to God to come and personally help. What have you seen.

Ironically the people of Southern Cameroons have take La Republique to both UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva and to the African Charter of Human and People's Rights in Banjul.

When you defend a falsehood that is what you get. The S.D.F. message is a falsehood. Nothing good can come out of it. While your own chairman is quoted as saying the illegal Unification has failed, some of his own militants are still taking about UNITED republic of Cameroon. I guest you have not caught up with him. Keep on dreaming.

Paa Ngembus

Francois,

You definitely believe in Adolf Hitler who says if you repeat a lie to the people many times the people will start believing it.

Get out of Germany before Nazzi ideas swallow you my friend.

Here is what you state:

"...
the Southern Cameroonians here who have been advocating for secession but have unfortunately never presented a plan of action.
..."

I ask again. What is the meaning of "SECESSION" Filston?

Try another tactic.

We will never release our stategies to "ENEMIES IN THE HOUSE" like you ungrateful descendants of ragtag refugees of the UPC genocide in La Republique Francaise du Cameroun.

We will continue to surprise you and your masters all the time. You will never know our next move and you will never be able to anticipate anything.

Bye bye frangin ingrat.

Paa Ngembus
THE SOUTHERN CAMEROONS SHALL BE DECOLONIZED BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY

7512wilson

M Nje
How can one lead in a state of oppression?. How can one lead when his rallies are called off by recalcitrant D.O's and S.D.O's?, How can one lead under house arrest?, how can one lead when there is no level plane field?, how can one lead when democracy is hijacked by our own very government?, how can one lead when merit is nonexistent and fraud, rigging, lawlessness, human right abuse, police brutality and bribery is the order of the day.
Now tell me M.Nje, What do you mean when you said Fru has failed in leadership.
Ooh! thats right, you wanted Fru Ndi to go to war in order to show how good a leader he is. You guys of the SCNC must think and think really hard before you make certain claims because those claims will haunt you all later.
I will still take off my hat anytime for John Fru Ndi, because if not for him we will not be sharing ideas on this forum and debating freely as we do. Fru Ndi opened the eyes of Cameroonians, He defied all odds and show remarkable bravery to see into it that Cameroonians can have their voices heard.
It is true what they say "How quickly we forget".
I leave you all to your consciences.
God will deliver very soon.


Watesih

Hi The SON,
Thanks for your promptitude! I would like to extend goodwill greetings to Fon,Kgnanjo,Atanga, Ndi.O ,7512Wilson,Vito,
Ma Mary, Rexon,Nje,Pa Ngembus,Tayong,Danny boy,Muki,Big Joe,Sammy,all contributors,and the Post Management.

Klemenceau-Shalom

Greetings to all here. May God bless you all.

Shalom

Klemenceau.

M Nje

7512Wilsion,
you wrote:

"How can one lead in a state of oppression?. How can one lead when his rallies are called off by recalcitrant D.O's and S.D.O's?, How can one lead under house arrest?, how can one lead when there is no level plane field?, how can one lead when democracy is hijacked by our own very government?, how can one lead when merit is nonexistent and fraud, rigging, lawlessness, human right abuse, police brutality and bribery is the order of the day."

It is interesting to say how many of you in the S.D.F. think. These are normal obstacles that a leader in this case should see and make adjustments to reach the promise land. Did those things you mention come as a supprise to you or your leadership. If they did, then that just add to the point that your leaders lack the vision and strategic planning that I am talking about and that you as a militant is a BLIND FOLLOWER.

Again leadership requires a vision and a clear guidance to get there. Continue to deny simple facts. You will come to regret, just like your leaders will. You will come to understand you are chasing the wind.

Hi Watesih and Shalom. You are back. Were you really censor?

Fon

M Nje,
You are perfectly right. However, may I know why the SCNC leaders have not yet reached the promised land. Could it be that they lack vision and strategic planning as we do in the SDF? If so can we also conclude that those of you supporting the SCNC are blind followers?

M Nje

Fon,
Strategic planning requires you to evaluate your own progress and adjust your tactics as new information surfaces.

Let me give you two cases: one involve the SDF and another the Southern Cameroons struggle.

You many recall that during the All Anglophone Conference I and II it was generally agreed that Southern Cameroonians should return to the illegal two state federation they had. The ball was on the side of the citizen of East Cameroun to decide.

When it became clear that they (East Cameroonians) through Paul Biya were not willing to take that gesture from Southern Cameroons and following the discovering of other vital information about Southern Cameroons, that course of action what abandoned.

It became clear that the real fight is for the UN and UK to correct the injustice that was perpetuated on Southern Cameroonians and grant them their right to a State under international law. And that struggle has continue on that part till date. This is what I mean by "evaluate your own progress and adjust your tactics as year information surfaces." You don`t keep on doing the same thing over as the SDF does after every election and expect a different result.

Remember when we took La Republique to both the UN Commission on Human Rights in Geneva and to the African Charter of Human and People's Rights in Banjul many of you made a mockery of that. You laughed at how were are waiting for the courts to solve our problems. Now your Chairman is planning to take La Republique to the same places to overturn the results of the 1992 presidential elections. What can you say about that? I can assure you that if these two avenues (the UN human Right Commission and the Court in Banjul and many other avenues that Southern Cameroonians are perusing now) don`t produce desire progress, other avenues will be considered.

Contrast that with what the SDF has been doing. After the even in 1992, it became clear even to a blind person that:

1) No Southern Cameroonian can win a presidential election in La Republique because they are not citizens.

2) No other party can win the C.P.D.M. in any election in the La Republque for the foreseeable future.

With all this obvious evidence what did your leadership do. They have continue till date on the same path, from one election to another with the same out come. A strategic planner will till you than if you really want to win the presidency of La Republique, forget about the ballot box. look for another avenue or get out of politics. It will not work.

Finally you asked "However, may I know why the SCNC leaders have not yet reached the promised land. Could it be that they lack vision and strategic planning as we do in the SDF?"

I can tell you that:

-First we are on the right path because we are fighting the right struggle and have evidence to prove our case even in a court.

Secondly, we will not hesitate to change tactics if there is any indication that the current path will not yield desirable results.

I know you will say I am bias in favor of the Southern Cameroons case but that is how it is. If tomorrow for example the leadership of all the factions in the Southern Cameroons struggle come out to say we should follow a particular path, without providing any logical reason, I will be among the first to come out and question it. I don`t just support the current course of the struggle because I just want to. I look at how clear the vision is.

Contrast that with the SDF.

First the idea that a non citizen of La Republique can be president in that country has been proven in 1992 to be impossible. So you are on the wrong track.

Secondly inspite of all the evidence that has come out even after the recent elections your leadership lacks the vision or courage to make bull decision. The SDF will still go to parliament and wait for another election which will yield the same result and they will still go for another election and another and the circle just continuous. That is not leadership. Leadership requires you to adjust your tactics as new information surfaces

M Nje

5th paragraph line four reads:

This is what I mean by "evaluate your own progress and adjust your tactics as year not year information surfaces."

Correction
This is what I mean by "evaluate your own progress and adjust your tactics as NEW information surfaces."

Fon

M Nje,
Point of correction. Your analysis may have some points but it is misleading as it can be clearly discerned from it that you consider the SDF a Southern Cameroons´party doing politics in La republic. This is not the case.

"No Southern Cameroonian can win a presidential election in La Republique because they are not citizens." What if the SDF presents a candidate who is a Francophone, given that it is a national party?

mk the southerner

M Nje That was good very good.
Mr Fon U said " What if the SDF presents a candidate who is a Francophone, given that it is a national party?"

That candidate will win and this will prove the SCNC right. If u doubt me try it. Look France knows that u can never eat ur cake and have it. With a Francophone at the hem of the sdf, France will give her support. Do u know that if there was another option for the Southern Cameroons course when Albert Mukong, Vincent Feko, Dr Siga Assangha etc meat, sdf would never have existed? so tell me who owned the sdf Southern Cameroonians or La Rep.

mkthesoutherner@yahoo.co.uk

M Nje

Fon,
I made the statement "No Southern Cameroonian can win a presidential election in La Republique because they are not citizens." taking into consideration that the election was between Paul Biya and Ni John. Do you really think if it was between Paul Biya and an imaginary person called "Atangana Owona", the results will not have been different.

Secondly make no mistake. Without the support from Southern Cameroons the SDF will not be anyway. How many parliamentary seats or councils for example do they have out of Southern Cameroons? Most "Francophone" in La Republique see the SDF as an affair of Southern Cameroonians and some Bami.

Thirdly there is a very high level of mistrust in La Republique`s politics. If someone from the Center, South or East province for example was made chairman of the SDF. The SDF results will not be the same in Southern Cameroons. There are many who vote the SDF just because Fru Ndi is at the top. I don`t have any statitics to show but I strong believe in that. If tommorrow an imaginary person called "Ateba Atangana" is chairman of the SDF, you, Fon, may not be supporting the SDF. This may not mean that your support for the SDF is soley due to the presence of Ni John. It could be because you don`t trust people from the same area like my imaginary "Ateba Atangana." This I think is parly the reason the "opposition" in La Republique cannot agree on a single candidate. There is too much mistrust.

Fon

M Nje,
Again, I agree with some of the points you have advanced. However you contradicted yourself and other followers of the SCNC. Here you have acknowledged that the SDF is a force to reckon with in Southern Cameroons, yet your approach has been to traduce the SDF. Given that those you strongly need for the Southern Cameroons cause are those who stand firmly behind the SDF, do you think blackmailing the SDF is a better option to get the badly needed support for the Southern Cameroons Cause?

To attack the SDF is a huge mistake; my advice to you and cohort is to leave the SDF alone, go to the field and educate the people about the Southern Cameroons cause. The people will listen to you and the SDF and make a decision depending on the message presented to them. If you think you must use force to let the people abandon the SDF and join the SCNC, then you have failed.
I have nothing against the SCNC; however, when the target of those preaching about the SCNC here become the SDF, I become suspicious as it becomes clear to me that you guys have an ulterior motive.

Going to the Ateba Antangana issue that you have raised, I am ready to support any party irrespective of origin, that I am convinced it can put up a strong fight against the CPDM. In other words I am prepared to sacrifice everything to see the Biya´s regime a thing of the past.

louisman

I think by the end of the day we will still end up being Cameroonian, no matter where we live or come from, so why don't we forget about the unnecessary argument in the forum and concentrate on the bigger picture or issues affecting our country.
This shouldn't be a forum where, we have to compare, measure up our background, because none of us will ever have the same background. Not everyone in an open forum will ever have the same academic background to argue facts and figures, but it will make more sense if narrow our reasoning and get the other person's point.
To conclude, I think Cameroon as a country is not on the right track, simple things that a country need to operate we don't have them, (e.g. no simple statistics about any thing). We might be making a lot of noise about Cameroon, but at the world's stage, there is absolutely nothing we can/should be proud of; I know some of you guys will argue about football, Oh! Yes football indeed, but our leaders are messing around BIG TIME with the football national team (no coach).
So my advice to fellow Cameroonian in this forum; figures out how we can help put up something that we should be able to live with and be proud of as Cameroonian and stop the unnecessary argument.
Thanks

M Nje

Fon,
You should read my last comments again. I talked about the number of parliamentarians or councils the SDF has from Southern Cameroons not the number of supporters the have. There is a difference bewteen the two.

Take the last elections. It is estimated that between 30-40% of the population voted.

If that is true, then if the SDF won a particular parliamnetary seat or council, it means it had a majority out of the 30-40% voter. It is a majority of the number of people who voted not the entire population of that area. This means in a town of 1000 people if 300 voted, then the SDF had a majority out of the 300 people who voted not necessarily a mojority of the total population of the town. That majority can just be 100 people when you look at the number of political parties which take part in elections. The votes are spread out.

There are many people who do not vote at all because they don`t believe in the CPDM, the SDF or any other party in the process. Many have other reasons.

So you cannot conclude that because the SDF won a seat in Southern Cameroons, a majority of the people in that area support the SDF.

We are ready for a referandum supervised by the UN at any time on the Southern Cameroons issue if you want us to test our support. Let it happen now. You in the SDF and CPDM can come out and campaign in favor of maintaining things as they are while we campaign for a Full Southern Cameroons state. Let it happen nee and I can assure you the people will vote for total Independence.

Again we do not pick on the SDF just for fun. The SDF and other parties are preaching a falsehood to our people and we must come out to defend FACTS

Ma Mary

No, Louisman, we are not all "Cameroonian". We know you have been raised in the myth, as a child of the occupier but for your good, and our good, it is about time for you too to question those assumptions.

Fon

M Nje
"Let it happen nee and I can assure you the people will vote for total Independence"

I do not dispute and have never disputed that if there is a referandum, Southern Cameroonians will vote for independence. There is no Southern Cameroonian who marginalisation has not peeved him or her. However, the big question is, how do you get to the level of a referandum? As things stand based on the approach of SCNC leaders and the attitude of Southern Cameroonians, to reach a referandum is almost an impossibility.

"We are ready for a referandum supervised by the UN at any time on the Southern Cameroons issue if you want us to test our support"
This is only a dream that will never come true. If such a referadum was to be organised, I will not only vote for S. Cameroons´independence, but in addition go out to campaign in favour. But as things stand, as I have earlier mentioned, how do you plan to reach the level of a referandum? How many S. Cameroonians are ready to sacrifice and reach the level where the UN can intervene and may be force La republique to organise such a referandum? Can you quote one example the world over where the UN has intervened when there is peace, although, there are grievances?

If the SCNC must realise her goal, it must be ready for a war. Yet the price of a war is just too much;Only an insignificant number of southern Cameroonians are ready to fight a war. If you think Southern Cameroons independence will ever be declared by any court in this world, then you must be a day dreamer.

I support the SDF because it is a better alternative to redress the plight of suffering Cameroonians.

Did I hear you say, the SDF has just about 30% support in Southern Cameroons? Let take that your 30% is true; Is this 30% insignificant to you that you think it is not necessary to adopt an approach that may win their minds to join your struggle? Any attack on the SDF is an attack on the very Southern Cameroonians you claim to be fighting for.

M Nje

Fon,
I did not say the SDF has 30% support in Southern Cameroons. What I said is that between 30-40% of the total population is estimated to have voted in the last election. If that is true then where ever any party including the SDF won a seat or a council, they had a majority of votes out of the 30-40% of the voters. A victory in an area does not translate to majority support among the total population of that area. Rather it is majority among voters (30-40% of total population) who`s votes were counted.

UnitedStatesofAfrica

"We will continue to surprise you and your masters all the time. You will never know our next move and you will never be able to anticipate anything."-Paa NgemGOAT
Hahaha, what move has the SCNC ever made? I am impatiently waiting for the day the SCNC will make a bold move. I only hope they make their move in this lifetime, when I am still alive.
Have you guys noticed the absence of rexon, Legima Doh and Paa Ngembus? In the past, they were on this site everyday, insulting people and posting ten-page monologues. Shockingly, they are absent for awhile now.I wonder what happened, they are probably filing and renewing their immigration and asylum papers.Good luck with that.
CHEERS!!!!

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