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TAGRO

The Post must be joking, playing a trick on people, or must have lost their marbles!

red flag

THE POST JUST LIKE THE MOUTH PIECE OF THE ANNEXATIONISR CAMEROUNESE GOVT, HAVE LOST ITS PARTIALITY AND SENSE OF BEEING.
WHO DOES THE POST WORK FOR?IF NOT THE OPPRESSEDAND ENSLAVED 7M PEOPLE OF SOUTHERN CAMEROONS. THOSE JOURNALIST CRACKING JOKES ON THIS MEDIA ABOUT BSC
SHOULD START PACKING TO LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN, ONCE OUR INDEPENDENCE IS ACHIEVED

LadyMelisse

Were the opinions of these individuals sought before these appointments were made and published? As one whose name is in the list, I would have preferred being given the option of accepting or declining the honor.

Donbon

Are senators elected or appointed?
To avoid mistakes of banana republics, shouldn't we wait until we have control of a national territorial to elect bona fide senators. Things should be done correctly. There is no doubt that the list of senators consist of distinguished personalities, but at this point they should be called a committee of committed Southern nationalists instead of senators. All the sacrifice to form a country would be nil if something as little this can't be put into perspective. I believe southern Cameroonians are reclaiming their national territorial because they want to do better and feel better about their circumstances. Little things therefore matter

princekumba

I HAVE BEEN READING THROUGH THE LISTS OF OUR NEW GOVERNMENT BUT DIDNT SEE THE LIKES OF Paa Ngembus,MA MARY,M NJE ETC.SO CAN SOMEBODY TELL ME IF THEY DID FUTURE, AFTER THEIR LONG INSULTIVE PROPAGANDA.IF NOT,THEN TO WHICH ZONE DO THEY NOW BELONG?DO THEY FEEL BETRAYED?

Shalom

Joke or no joke, I believe from looking at the list that this is the best thing that can happen to the "Course" at this end of year.
I exhort all forumists to reflect well before jumping to condemn this.

1) If we have to wait for elections after liberating our territory before putting any structures in place, then our fight will remain a dream. This is a provisionary government and senatorial council ON WHOSE SHOULDERS WE WANT TO LAY THE RESPONSIBILITY of taking us throgh the last stages of the struggle; and when the ripe moment comes, elections will be organized and these people will be replaced if need be. I, as an advocate of structural organization already saluted the ongoing grassroots reorganization taking place all over the territory of Southern Cameroons.

2) The fact that this government brings together every front line fighter in this struggle spells greater and better things to come. Some of us were already getting discouraged as the pulling and tearing continued with the wrangling at the top of the struggle. Who to line up with, whose strategy is best etc were issues that kept some people from outrightly manifesting support for the "Course". Now we are pretty sure that when all of these people will meet together as a matter of duty to the homeland, they will be under obligation to chart a common strategy that will align everybody so that we all move in the same direction. If you condemn this move, I am tempted to believe that you are one of those who have a special interest in having the struggle splintered so that the divide and rule policy of La Republique keeps delaying our move.

3) If some people like Lady Melisse disagree with their appointment, they have their perfect right to turn it down and some one else will be appointed. Not fully informed about the preludes to the formation of this government, I strongly believe that at this stage of the fight, one would be naive to expect everything to be procedurally "normal" or "perfect". Certainly for strategic reasons, many things MUST and SHOULD be done in-camera and the general public be given only the main results. Definitely in normal circumstances, consultation is good and even needed before high level appointments like this. But are we in a "normal" situation?

I heartily congratulate all those who were appointed to this government and wish them well as they take up duties. Please remember the eyes of all 8 million Southern Cameroonians as well as all history books are open to register your successes or failures during your tenure of office.

FORWARD EVER, BACKWARD NEVER- SOUTHERN CAMEROONS.

rexon

Lets throw our support behind the new government. They are representative of the aspirations of the Southern Cameroonian people as most of them are elderly statespeople who have worked hard to improve our political conciousness. These are the true leaders who can speak on behalf of the Southern Cameroonian people.

joseph

Cameroon post should serve as a source of authentic information for its readers. Please learn to varify before you puiblish. You just published a rubbish. My name is among the appointees. I have never served or wish to serve in a body like the so call BSCLF. I was shock to find my name among the list of appiontees. It immediately made me consider the group as fake in all its aspects. Only a fake group will appiont non-members. When all your appiontees will fireback at you, then you will notice the importance of such an appiontment. God Bless Cameroon

joseph

Cameroon post should serve as a source of authentic information for its readers. Please learn to varify before you puiblish. You just published a rubbish. My name is among the appointees. I have never served or wish to serve in a body like the so call BSCLF. I was shock to find my name among the list of appiontees. It immediately made me consider the group as fake in all its aspects. Only a fake group will appiont non-members. When all your appiontees will fireback at you, then you will notice the importance of such an appiontment. God Bless Cameroon

TAGRO

POSTNEWSLINERS, permit to post the observation from a Southern Cameroons forum. I share the sentiments of the author in its entirety. TAGRO
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This so-called restoration government is an initiative by agents of France and la Republique du Cameroun to ridicule the individuals named in this scheme, to ridicule the Southern Cameroons struggle as a whole, and to detract and distract from multiple efforts that are being quietly waged by the various movements and indviduals of late.

Their goal will not end at ridiculing some of the brave and determined individuals mentioned in this very French-inspired Camerounese joke, but to give pretext to harrass and even cause physical harm including death upon them.

This is a signal of desperation from France and her puppet colonial state, la Republique du Cameroun. And for The Post to play along with this scheme shows them as collaborators in this deadly game being unravelled by France and la Republique du Cameroun. Did The Post contact Messrs Anyangwe, Mondoa etc. to fact-check before publishing this story?


Ma Mary

Princekumba, kindly accept my apologies if I insulted you in the past year. I love you and all Southern Cameroonians, my dear Prince. As you can clearly see, Ma Mary does not feature and that is OK. I do not do what I do because of posts. This story took me by surprise too, but whatever the case, some people have been thinking hard about uniting the cause and have named some very good people. It looks like someone leaked a working document prematurely to the press?

You are right, as far as the post goes, I am just a propagandist or teacher. Take which term suits you. One book man in Europe who has not quite come to terms with our predicament calls me a polemicist. That is so sweet. He makes me sound learned like Christopher Hitchens or Thomas Paine. Some young people think I should take my fat old self and pick a weapon. That is so unimaginative. Thinking, ideas are of much longer term value.

Anywho Merry Christmas my friend.

mpey

What an interesting article. while this may seem like a big step towards "supposed independence" of former s cameroon, my question is under what guidelines were the people whose names we read on this list selected? was the "president" voted for by "his people" or was he appointed? Shouldn't there be an election for the people to vote for their leaders? if you ask me, this is the same practice as what is being done in "cameroun" now that you are supposed to be seperating yourselves from. VERY INTERESTING. You claim you want change but are already doing the same things you complain about. This "government" was not choosen by the people so what is democratic about your "organization".

DaDiceman

Joseph, commiserations for being a victim of semi-literate gutter journalism. I used to be an active contributor on this forum but stopped recently, because The PostNewsLine.com is truly a disgrace to the profession of journalism, the English language and moral decency. This so-called news item confirms all that.

If this is what passes for English Cameroon journalism, then may God help us. I can't wait for the first libel case against this online trash. The sooner it happens the better. I hope when that first libel case comes, it bankrupts this nefarious enterprise. The internet is truly a cesspit in the wrong hands.

fearless

I have a major problem with the newly formed government of Southern Cameroons.What paremeter was used for the appointment of these cabinet?If the cabinet exist really.then once more there is BAIAS .And this will go a long way to fuel the division that exist between South west and North west.How many members of the new government come from south west?and how many from north west?well it seems to me if Idependence is restored in southern cameroons with the Bias nature of its cabinet,then we should be expecting the South Westerners to ask for their own independence.Reasons why we do not want a union with La Republique is because of Ewondo domination.And if one Region of the Southern Cameroons has to grossly dominate the other,then am afraid it will lack support from south west.Thus something must be done before the Hand of the Monkey turns into a Human hand.I fear for Southern Cameroons.

fearless

I have a major problem with the newly formed government of Southern Cameroons.What paremeter was used for the appointment of these cabinet?If the cabinet exist really.then once more there is BAIAS .And this will go a long way to fuel the division that exist between South west and North west.How many members of the new government come from south west?and how many from north west?well it seems to me if Idependence is restored in southern cameroons with the Bias nature of its cabinet,then we should be expecting the South Westerners to ask for their own independence.Reasons why we do not want a union with La Republique is because of Ewondo domination.And if one Region of the Southern Cameroons has to grossly dominate the other,then am afraid it will lack support from south west.Thus something must be done before the Hand of the Monkey turns into a Human hand.I fear for Southern Cameroons.

GalabeElvisNtungwen

I hope all the factions in the struggle can come under the umbrella of the new BSCLF. Those who love La Republique so much that our uniqueness must to their judgment constitute an eternal sacrifice on the altar of unity can well move across the banks of the Mungo. 47 yrs of so-called unity has not come up with a Cameroonian tongue. For those who do not know, Prof. Anyangwe was the chair of the 1993 Constitutional Draft Commission set to come up with a Constitution to reflect changed socio-political circumstances. The proposed Federation by the Commission forced the exploitative Biya regime to disregard the proposals and dissolve the Commission. Biya and his brother Owona Joseph came up with their constitution in Jan 1996 which is in use. Prof. Anyangwe is the leading counsel in the case at Banjul, the Gambia against La Republique. For this regime to compel a learned professor of Law and expert on Constitutional Law to go on exile merely b/c he is anglophone can tell u to what extent our best can't fit in a francophone set up. We should organise ourselves for the post Biya era because our destiny lies in our hands. Let our people look up to these elites of theirs. Those who feel they were not consulted can decline this call for responsility. Interim or original constituent authorities are not produced by the ballot box. George Washington's War was self-sacrifice for his country. Everybody canot be involved in this. When the interim organisation is in place and freedom gained, the masses shall exercise pure franchise after so long a time. This means we should wait for orders from our anglophone interim gov't, not francophone exploiters who do not represent us. Lets be united, I beg of you all for this while we chase this enemy-'brother' from the east

londoner

Well I believe every initiative deserves to be taken seriously, provided its genuine.

You cannot criticise the initiative on the basis that the leaders were not elected. If the Southern Cameroons is indeed under "occupation", then how can they freely chose their leaders.

When Hitler captured France and installed the puppet Vichy regime, De Gaulle fled to London where he set up a government-in-exile. Was he voted by the French people?

Are some of these named officials actually living in Cameroon? If so, I think thats irresponsibly opening them to the vengeance of La Republique

In search of Justice

Reaction from the National Secretary General SCYL on the so-called National Liberation Government

I was informed yesterday by the Southern Cameroons ambassador to Germany on the publication of a list of names in which mine appears as a senator. This morning I read from the national chairman of the SCYL on the same purported list. I read about the list for the first time on the Federal Democratic Republic website a few hours ago. I am for the SCYL and our people making the following reaction:

1. I have been in close touch with Professor Carlson Anyangwe in the last weeks on different issues concerning the liberation of our land. On non of these exchanges was there any discussion about the formation of a government

2. I have made it abundantly clear in the last years (from the formation of the Provisional Administration to the Interim Government), that I, Cho Lucas Ayaba will not take part in any
Government for reasons which my comrades are well briefed on

3. The SCYL as a movement will not accept the formation of any representative body that speaks on behalf of our people without due consultation

4. The SCYL will reject any initiative that does not have as sole aim, the arming of our people in the defense of our land from the heinous occupation of the Southern Cameroons

5. No SCYL member will take part in any government as long as we have not been able to liberate an iota of our land from the brutal annexationist and any member who will go contrary to this will be fired from the movement

6. The formation of any government without due consultation with members of the SCYL even when the perpetrators have the possibility to contact directly the leadership of the SCYL, makes it an act of cowardice, provocation and insult and shear stupidity, for people who don’t talk on important issues like arming our people for the defense of our land, can not seat together as senators, nor members of any government

7. The SCYL even after a third party contact of General Pierre Semengue on a venue to meet and negotiate on their own terms on how to stop our drive for independence to a logical conclusion was out rightly rejected by the leadership of the movement on the grounds that the Southern Cameroons is a big prison yard for every true activists and “prisoners do not enter into negotiations.,,

8. The SCYL is warning any individual or groups of individuals who think that the Southern Cameroons Cause is now an issue of grandstanding to know that we have the capacity to go to jail and to law our bodies on the alter of sacrifice for the freedom of our beloved homeland and we will not be provoked to shift the battle otherwise

9. The SCYL wants to assure our people that we continue to work relentlessly in consultation with individuals and groups who share in our vision of a free Southern Cameroons using every means possible


10. Considering the barbarism with which LRC prosecutes the occupation, from butchering unarmed students in Buea, killing of students in Kumba, arbitrary arrest and detention of our people and the economic plunder of our land, social deprivation and resettlement of Francophones from Buea to Bamenda, the SCYL still proclaims its intention to end this occupation through an arm struggle.

I call on our members and people at large to reject any attempt either by the occupier to lay terms for the occupation or from its agents to temporize our resolve to fight our way to Buea. This is the only way we will gain our freedom and no amount of diplomacy, propaganda will change this course of action.

Done in The Hague, The Netherlands

Ayaba Cho Lucas

National Secretary General SCYL

Akoson

From SJ, Moderator of the Federal Democratic Republic of Southern Cameroons FORUM.


This so-called restoration government is an initiative by agents of France and la Republique du Cameroun to ridicule the individuals named in this scheme, to ridicule the Southern Cameroons struggle as a whole, and to detract and distract from multiple efforts that are being quietly waged by the various movements and indviduals of late.

Their goal will not end at ridiculing some of the brave and determined individuals mentioned in this very French-inspired Camerounese joke, but to give pretext to harrass and even cause physical harm including death upon them.

This is a signal of desperation from France and her puppet colonial state, la Republique du Cameroun. And for The Post to play along with this scheme shows them as collaborators in this deadly game being unravelled by France and la Republique du Cameroun. Did The Post contact Messrs Anyangwe, Mondoa etc. to fact-check before publishing this story?

The Son

LePatriot

Congratulations to the self proclaimed President, New Ministers, Senators, Kings and Queens of the Southern Cameroon Banana Republic.
I believe since you guys have been made Ministers and Senators, you can begin to work for the advancement of the your created republic.
investments, roads, schools, hospitals communication networks, jobs etc... need to be put in place.
Please advice where should a citizen of your new republic go to get a passport? Are they all intitled to a diplomatic passport since it appears almost most of your citizens are members of your high office. Maybe Mme MaMary, Mr Ngembus, Rexon, Reg Flag etc... may at least need an ordinary passport.
Akoson, you never stop to amaze me accusing France to have created a separatist movement.
Africans will never stop to accuse others for their self inflicted wounds.
Keep crying and pointing fingers to others, it will never help us.
Cameroon is one qnd indivisible.

Vive la Republique du Cameroun!
May God bless a united and strong Republic of Cameroon!

LePatriote


tayong

Ayaba and SJ
These reactions by your surrogates are totally naive and ergomaniac in my view.Something is fishy with you guys of the SCNC. While objection to non consulation with appointees is understandable , brandishing meeeting conveners as agents of La Republique is totally repugnant.

In essence if those the article carries as having convened the meeting are AGENTS of La Republique as you claim , then the SCNC should shut its doors for NOTHING exists as SCNC anymore.

Demands for concerted actions and a common front have been made over the years and now a mere attempt towards such is being met with stiff resistance? I repeat the SCNC whatever it is, should "shut off" if all of them are AGENTS OF La Republique as we have been told.

Hope no one takes my comment out of context, Tayong is not and may never be on that list. Ma Mary, I continue to have great admiration for you as time goes on.

Kumbaboy

Joseph,

There is no "Joseph" on the list of officials.

What are you talking about?

Watesih

SANTA`S END-OF-YEAR GOVERNMENT

A government is a group of selected few entrusted with the responsibility of controlling a country or state.But the newly formed government of would be Southern Cameroons State ,or is it British Southern Cameroons doesn`t have a state to control.
Anyway this is what my first reading of the situation has given:
ON THE POSITIVE SIDE
1.It is a laudable venture to have such a government ,because in politics as well as in freedom fighting presence matters.
2.Every freedom fighting basically hinges on consciousness of the cause.The broad base nature of this so called government might have been intended to bring in every one into the fold.
3.The momentum should always come from the diaspora,and this seems to be the case.
4. It seems the initiators of this action want to give a new direction to their efforts,that is why they have been inclusive enough,bringing in all the elderly freedom fighters from some of the factions,and trying to drag in some sons and daughters of substance of this region.
5.what matters most is not whether a faction was represented in the government but that all other factions should now try to be on the same wave length .
ON THE NEGATIVE SIDE
1.For a long time now ,the problem has not been that the movement cannot have many leaders,but that the public they pretend to fight for knows little about their activities,and this will remain so if the fight is not taken to the field.
2.The size of the government is overwhelming
It should rather be small and swift.The leaders of the five or six factions of the Southern Cameroons cause would have been enough to direct operations.What matters is not the ministries we have but the field leaders,couriers present in the field.
3.A freedom movement would surely need somebody to direct military operations,to handle finances,to handle public relations,
and would have nothing to do with senators.
Senators work on constitutional matters,and other legal activities in an established state.
4. If the problem of the Southern Cameroons cause has been lack of sensitization ,and commitment,then experts in Communication would not be said to be Ministers of fanciful ministries like that of tele communications.They should rather be used as public relations officers to keep explaining the goals of the movement to the people who know little about it.
5.A hundred Ministers,and Senators give the impression to our wellwishers that we love bureaucracy.This because there have been many other freedom movements with a following in the diaspora,but they have always streamlined everything.
6. Assumption can be made of the fact that all these people are brought in to make the movement known to many,but you don`t just count on somebody to be your public face without informing him.This betrays the idea that the whole thing is broadbased.
Finally,it will not be good to be too hard on the initiators of this action when it comes to handpicking people.The assumption is that you handpick those who have the guts to fight for the moment.Hope they accept the fire,and eat it!

mk the southerner

PRESS RELEASE

BAMENDA HIGH COURT DECLARES SOUTHERN CAMEROONS A HISTORICAL REALITY.

Justice Nchu Julius Cheo in his ruling,( copy attached) on the case against ten leaders of the SCNC arbitrarily arrested at a Press Conference on January 20, 2007 and detained for some two months at the Bamenda Central Prison, declared them discharged and acquitted for lack of evidence.

In his historic ruling, he:
1. declares Southern Cameroons is a historical reality.
2. recognises Southern Cameroonians, who gathered to listen to Nfor Ngala Nfor report to them on his three months diplomatic offensives, as a people, that is a political and legal entity, certainly with collective interests and rights to defend.
3. notes that the charge of secession can only hold when the territorial integrity of a country is infringed upon. And the country the learned Judge was representing and whose interest he had to defend, is la Republique du Cameroun. He declares la Republique's territorial integrity, whatsoever, suffered no infringement by the action of the accused.
4. affirms and upholds the meaning of secession as defined in BLACK's Dictionary, that is, " a process or act of withdrawing especially from a political association."

The SCNC and all Southern Cameroonians fully agree with the learned Judge and salute his courage. We however note that there was room for him to have gone further considering the facts before his court and the disrespectful manner with which the francophone proconsuls and gendarmes (men in arms) treated his court.

As point of fact, while the proconsuls and gendarmes charged us for secession, which they could not prove, we Southern Cameroonians unequivocally state we are restoring our statehood as it existed before annexation and colonial occupation by la Republique du Cameroun. Southern Cameroons has never been and is not an integral part of la Republique du Cameroun.

Talking of a political association as the learned Judge refers to in his judgment, it is important we point out that a political association should not only be seen in the context of history of presence of colonial occupation forces and may be claim of physical being, there must be a legal instrument recognised and upheld by the partners and international law. That is why annexation and colonial occupation maintained by the force of arms, declared illegal by international law, can never be accepted as a political association in law. This is why Kuwait never became an integral part of Iraq, though declared a province of by force of arms.

While the learned Judge might have been contented with dismissing the case for lack of evidence, it is relevant we point out that the Southern Cameroons struggle led by the SCNC, a Nonviolent Movement, is to restore a nation-state that existed both in history and law with its well defined international boundaries.

The onus therefore is for la Republique du Cameroun to prove beyond any reasonable doubt by which instrument of international law it has come to exercise sovereignty over Southern Cameroons. Understanding the limitations of the Bamenda High Court, it must be understood that conflict of annexation and colonial occupation are beyond the competence of a municipal court. They are matters of international law and international tribunals and mediation.

To all Southern Cameroonians, their friends world wide and all lovers and defenders of freedom, justice, democracy, equality, the inherent right to national self- determination of all nations and peoples, while thanking you for your support, may I assure you that we have only won a battle. As I said at the Conference of the Nonviolent Transnational Radical Party (TRP) and ALDE this Dec. 07, at the European Parliament, Brussels, having won this battle with your support, with you by our side we will win the great war against gross injustice and colonial occupation by the restoration of the statehood and sovereign independence of Southern Cameroons. The freedom of the Southern Cameroons, a former UN Trust territory under UK Administration, is umbilically linked with the strive for human freedom, world peace based on justice through the promotion of democracy.

DONE IN THE HAGUE THIS DECEMBER 18, 2007.

FOR THE SOUTHERN CAMEROONIAN PEOPLE.


NFOR, NGALA NFOR
National Vice Chairman, and
Chair, Foreign Affairs Commission


Cc:

- H.E U. N. Secretary General, Ban Ki Moon,
- H. E. Rt. Hon. Gorden Brown, UK Prime Minister
- H. E. George W. Bush, President of USA
- H. E. Umaru Mussa Yar’Adua, President of Nigeria
- H. E. Thabo Mbeki, President of South Africa
- H. E. John Kufour, President of Ghana, and Chairman of AU
- H. E. Nelson Mandela, former President of South Africa
- H. E. Alpha Oumar Konare, AU Commission Chairman
- H.E. Hans-Gert Pottering, President of European Parliament
- H. E. Don Mackinnon, Commonwealth Secretary General
- Arch Bishop Desmond Tutu, South Africa
- President of ICJ, The Hague
- Marino Budaschin, General Secretary, UNPO, The Hague
- High Commissioner of Human Rights
- All Diplomatic Missions, Yaounde,la Republique du Cameroun
- Secretary General ACHPR, Banjul
- Special Rapp. on Extrajudicial, Summary or Arbitrary Executions, UNHRC
- Special Rapp. on the Right to Freedom of Opinion and Expression, UNHRC
- Special Rapp. on Torture, UNHRC
- Human Rights Organisations national and international
- Press, national and international


CitizenSpokesman

BSCLF RESTORATION GOVERNMENT: EVIDENCE OF NW DOMINATION OVER SW.

(1) The Presidency:

Of the 8 positions, we have 6 North West appointees and just 2 from the South West.

(2) Senators:

Of the 23, we have 17 North westerners, and 6 South westerners.

(3) Honourable Ministers:

Of the 19 positions, we have 11 North West appointees and just 8 from the South West.

(4) Deputy Ministers:

Of the 18 positions, we have 13 North West appointees and just 5 from the South West.

Fellow Cameroonians, if anyone cannot clearly see this as overt evidence of North West DOMINATION over the South West, then please permit me to describe him as a simpleton. For if Anglophones are complaining about Francophones' domination over them, then only a person who is deficient in judgment will not recognize this as NW domination of SW...a perfect ground for mutual distrust, disunity and disintegration which is the bedrock for SEPARATE INDEPENDENCE for NW, and, SW Provinces respectively if future division of Cameroon ever occurs.

tayong

CitizenSpokesman

I respond to you because you have raised some issues of legitimate concerns. I haven't taken time to go through that list to refute or confirm your allegations but albeit, my take on the so called govt is this: This is simply a " moral militia" group bringing all the factions under a common plateform.

I hope you would not expect Njeuma or Musonge to be named as members at this juncture simply to fulfill regional balance. In short you can give yourself any position in that govt as long as show you can shoulder the reponsibility that go with it.

You see people trying to backtrack because its not the kind of appointment that goes with milk and honey.Its takes more than bravado to be in this kind of govt.This isnt to say SC from south west arent brave but to say hold your calm. If you can withstand the heat then get into the kitchen. Cheers countryman

simplice

Good comments. We've heard Ma Mary and Rexon who condon the recent gov't. REG Flag however has a different perspective. What about Paa Ngembus, Mr Nje and Mk the Southerner?. Mk the Southerner just published some impersonal information herein but hasn't duely commented on the matter at hand. Please let afore SCNC advocates on this forum have their say. Let them expose their stance to this forum.

katakata

Tayong,
I greet your wisdom.
Infact I was just going to respond to the reaction from Citizenspokesman when I saw your crisp matter of fact explanation.

While my opinion on this matter is that we maintain vigilance and not get deceived one way or the other, it is also important that we keep regional biaises away from our everyday struggle to break free from the oppressor.

One thing I know is that in every union, there is a strong and less strong person. some couples will agree with me that while the husband might be physically strong( which is rare in some cases) the wife is also very strong psychically.


When we start looking at the numbers that make up a Provisionary "government" , then I wonder if we shall actually entertain each other in the actual event.

I have heard many contributors say here that politics is a game of numbers, and if there is no fraud, I dont see why we should hate the majority for winning.


Just an anecdote: what will CitizenSpokesman say if the figures were reversed, just to please him, and then in the event of a real alection in which he takes part, the south western region emerges even stronger? will he feel sad about this outcome? No Instead he should feel proud of his grassland brothers who decided to put their weight behind his coastal brother.

So lets be wary of entertaining suspicions when nothing has yet really happened.

Lets chose to work together for the ideals we believe in no matter who of the SWs Or NWs is ruling..Let them rule well and we shall content ourselves with that.

Nice weekend .

KATAKATA

Danny Boy

Kumba Boy,
look carefully and you should see a Pa Joseph Kwenti on that list.
My only observation is, "Is this the rabble that would rule us, should secession be achieved?" God help us!
Some of them can not even get themselves out of a plastic bag, let alone tie ----!!!
Gone to the dogs, have we?
Thank heavens this is only somebody's pipe dream. Evidence of substance abuse or whoever is plain loco!
Must be the silly season too.

Merry Christmas to all forumates.

Shalom

Honestly I am not surprised by some reactions to this endeavour considering those who have posted them.

Take SCYL Sec. Gen for example. An intransigent group that thinks you either go their way or you don't go at all. Blindly advocating for armed conflict for all these years and achieving nothing. In the modern world quiet diplomacy achieves more than brutal force even when it is used by the mightiest of nations (take US in Iraq). Why do we need to start a fight that will bring untold mayhem to the same populations you are professing to liberate when you do not have to, and when other life-sparing alternatives exist that are producing greater results. I see in this intransigence the small groups that want to maintain splintering of the fight because they stand to gain from this status quo.

For us a majority of common Southern Cameroonian citizens, we want to see clear leadership to follow. How do you expect me to align with you in an armed struggle without a strategic leadership? I am not naive.

Talking about the very highly tribal/regional rebuttals, I greatly appreciate that way of analysing situations. But I would have liked my dear Citizenspokesman to make a list of all front line Southern Cameroons freedom fighters and see what proportion of the whole is my fellow Southwesterners before commenting. Somehow, I belief that we of the southwest province are not as risk-taking as the Grasslanders. I think historical facts can support this. We prefer to stand by and observe and play a docile role, if at all, waiting for opportunities to jump on appointments be they from Yaounde or Bamenda. Why can we not also take the lead role and dictate. While many hardline politicians from the NW are joining the freedom fight, ours are struggling to position themselves within the CPDM for positions. How I wish I could have a better forum to raise consciousness within my folks from Buea to Akwaya, from Bakassi to Kupe Muanengumba, that it is time we get up and take initiative and not wait to play second-place roles. I hope I am not offending my brothers from the NW but sometimes it feels good to feel attached to one's land of nativity-that too is patriotism.

I still appeal to all of us whatever our differences to support this initiative. The methodology might not have been the best but is this not what we have been waiting for? No one will ever take our fight serious if we cannot for a start speak from the same platform even if we will splinter later on when much has been achieved. Those who are complaining because they were included might have been the first to cry foul if their names as frontliners were omitted. What a paradox.

rexon

Danny Boy,

Can you give us the benchmark through which you have evaluated these people and conclude that they would be incapable of managing the affairs of our nation? Lula Da Silva, Jay-Z are example of leaders who have built succesful careers without any formal education. Sorry, some of these people are wharton educated.

Kumbaboy

Thank you Tayong. We of the so-called SW tend to react with emotions and less of reason. H.E. Anyangwe's team has a mandate to educate the people. This is not a milk and honey cabinet of LRC but a team of willing burden carriers. The "chicken-hearted" run away at this point.

I invite my fellow SW'ner Mr. CitizenSpokesman to understand that our counties are not a united entity anyway. This NW/SW split doctrine of the late E.T Egbe must end. Our people need development and strong leaders with vision.

It is fair to say most developments in the SW concentrate in Fako yet we of Meme and our cousins of Ndian never talk of Fako domination. Our brothers in Manyu have seen Mamfe transform from a burstling city into a dusty shanty town. Akwaya is virtually cut off. Yet the Manyu never talk of Fako domination in the SW. Divide and rule tactics are doomed.

May the Almighty God grease the elbows of HE President Ayangwe with wisdom. The first task is to win the battle of decolonisation.

tayong

Danny Boy
I beg to differ and take great exception to your comments above.I see your position to be that of elitism than simple rationale. Great world leaders are not known for their intellectual agility and bona fides. John Major whom you know better than I do,ruled mighty Britain with class, what was he up to?

Lets not go far.As devout supporter of the SDF, you know more of Mr Fru Ndi than I do ,its daunting to see you throw such stones!This group you qualify as rabble stake their necks on the line on hourly basis for freedom sake.

You and I rather qualify for that adjective "rabble" because we're simply internet noise makers but Pa "el et co" who have been tortured by forces of lawlessness deserve some repect from you Danny.Im my view I think all Southern Cameroonians irrespective of your political leanings should support this govt.

GalabeElvisNtungwen

Something is wrong somewhere with this interim gov't thing. But if it is the work of La Republique, I am glad they can identify those true representatives of anglophones, not the hand-picked ones serving them in Yde. We have as much true leaders in the 'NW' as in the 'SW'. We have gone through so much oppression to be quarreling over our in-house squabbles. The francophone fanned NW/SW divide can be resolved after chasing the common enemy. India and Pakistan did not quarrel while chasing the British

Paul

To express ourselves freely is British Southern Cameroonian democracy at work. I feel this is a much needed move in our struggle. How do you expect a country to recognize our country without a Government or Structure? Sometimes, I see that, we are our own big problem. Not forgetting too the fact that some commenting here are either supporters of LRC or supporters of the status quo, we must realize that, there are some disgruntled persons perpetuating this because they were either left out, or do not know exactly how things are going. Not everyone needs to know, because you cannot tell who will leak things out. Anyone who is in this struggle genuinely should be ready anytime anywhere when called up consultation or no consultation, for now. This Mr. Joseph, I see with many postings does not even feature on the list. This could be just another swollen headed person who thinks, he knows it all, and must be at the center of everything. It is possible.
Let us not allow people use their IGNORANCE as a strength against serious moves they do not know.
From the release, I see that BSCLF is the authoritative group that has endorsed this government for a specific strategic purpose. Do we really want all our strategies to be discussed openly before action? This is foolhardy. People have been in this for years making money out of asylum and affidavits. Do you think, they will be happy to lose this source of money at our expense?
What I see is that BSCLF wants to restore the country and makes it possible for other countries to recognise an administrative structure. Once we attain that goal, we can then conduct representative elections etc. trying to consult everyone will leak out good strategies. Let us give this ad ministration support and time to produce results. What I admire with this announcement is the fact that they have settled on a name that does not favour any group and has deep historical roots. That is wisdom and fairness. I also see representatives from all groups. That is fairness, a good start from the way I see it. The problem may even be those who rushed first to complain like the Joseph etc. Empty noise making for years has taken us nowhere. Interim Government had been formed before and the very people decapitated themselves in deceit. Are you sure these are not the very people like JOSEPH? In this struggle, anything can happen. We have heard Asylum and affidavit racketeering more than anything else. I write to strongly support the restoration Government and the tactic followed by BSCLF to create it, apart from itself. A selfish or self centered power hungry group will declare itself government, but this is not the case here. Let us wait, there may be good surprises in the air, if we give it time to mature. Congratulations BSCLF for setting up the Restoration Government. Please, give us INDEPENDENCE.

Paul

simplice

"This Mr. Joseph, I see with many postings does not even feature on the list. This could be just another swollen headed person who thinks, he knows it all, and must be at the center of everything." by Mr Paul

Mr Paul, put on your lenses on, scroll up and you'll catch sight of Pa Joseph Nkwenti as the 21st Senator. After this clarification, apologise to the forum for prematurely calling respectable DannyBoy names.
The forum is still yearning to know, the stance of Paa Ngembus, Mk the Southerner and Mr Nje.

Heh, USAfrica, where are you. We miss your comments.

wise etchu

SHALOM,TAYONG,KUMBABOY,
Your reactions to the postings of fellow forumates from the south west about their domination in this BSCLF Gov't,clearly shows that you people are not objective in our collective problem.Whether those of the South West play second roles or what,does not cancel the fact that they are our country men.Let it be made known that,numbers is playing a big role in appointment in the Government.We are not happy with this by the Biya regime.We ask ourselves,how many of our people from the northwest,or the south west are ministers of La Republique?Francophones argue that it is ok,while us from southern cameroons argue that appointments should be done on equal basis.It shouldn't be a matter of activeness or what.There are people who are not active in a particular time but capable.Also remember that Musonge was not that of an active politician or one who plays a brave role in politics before he was made prime minister.Our fellows of the south west are only expressing this.
Let it be made abundantly clear that,that,Musonge or Njeuma,are not the only southwesterners.They are only people from a particular region in the South west,and because they have been men in La Republique's gov't,does not give them the authority over the south west people.
One of you also said,they play dormant roles eyeing positions in the gov't,while their fellow grasslanders fight hard for liberation.Remember that,it is from the northwest that mr.Achidi Achu was called to serve the Biya regime,and the Santa people are amongst the first to call on President Biya of La Republique to amend the constitution,so he could continue to hold firm the presidency till death do him part.That doesn't make others call us people of the oppressive regime.
What i think is that,when we are confronted with burning issues and others post in their views,we should try to be objective while reacting.
Your fellow Southern Cameroonian,
ETCHU

CountryFowl

A little to think and reflect upon. [ Apologies for the lengthiness of the text, somethings need a little clarity..!]

A government, an establishment , an institution or an organized group declaring authority to govern or acquiring power unto itself, without the consent of the Entities / People it is purporting to represent or act on their behalf is no government at all. There can not be any rational or logical justification for this. It's genesis is already flawed, because it already has within itself, the roots of exclusivity.

Why ?

The reason is simple, there is no Consent. In the reality of everyday life, one will require a notary, several documents, witnesses et cetera to have Powers of Administration to be able to administrate another's estates, in the case of death or
Insanity or other instances of Incapacitation and with absolute proof that an individual is incapable of governing their existence.

Governing without consent, explains all the past and present predicaments in Africa and elsewhere, vis governments and it's people. Illegitimate in it's origin and illegal in every sense of the word, many governments and would be government bodies will always require the use force to exist and function because in most cases, there is often no consent from it's people. Historically, what was hoisted on the African and what the African inherited and is perpetuating today was never meant to function as a just social structure for the African. So mirroring the imagery of this perverted system without careful and precise analysis will eventually not work.

Fundamentally for any such organized entities, groups, institutions and governments to function properly and succeed, there must be present the elements of " Participation, Proactive Action, Consent and Affirmation " from the people, without which there will always exist a predominance of dictatorial control, coercion, compulsion, manipulation and the usurpation of the people's rights, freedom and peace. All of which will in the short and long run only produce a discordant resonance between the people and it's purported leaders. Such a system starts with a dysfunctional signature with no apparent correlation in it's intentions and the eventual functionality and relevance of its existence to the people it is seeking to represent.

The etymological root of the word Governance, comes from old french, governer. It's original meaning is;
" archaic sway; control ".

The word governance is used everyday, it is synonymous to order, goodness, security, well-being, peace, truthfulness et cetera, within the collective psyche of society and within the individual's consciousness, but it is also a word which few including politicians, aspiring leaders et cetera care to investigate, analyze and evaluate it's implicit meaning.

In itself, the word governance does not camouflage it's implicit meaning. Simply put it is already the assumption that, the "OTHER", which one is seeking to govern is incapable of independent function and an intelligent existence without the interference, control, direction and dictation et cetera from a "Master ". These constructed structures or systems of biological, economic, social, religious, psycho-physical orders, originally came from the early feudal systems in Europe. It has evolved subtlety and metamorphosed into the present day hierarchal hybrid systems of governance which we have all over the world. It may provide a temporal and seemingly peaceful order and structure for society to function, but fundamentally it is always seething underneath with discontentment and dissatisfaction. It can never provide some of the rudimentary primal needs of man, that is Freedom, Truth, Peace, Equality and Justice.

That we are copying, imitating and emulating these systems and way of life without careful analysis nor critical questioning, already answers the question, as to the reasons behind the failure and non-functional status of the Democratic Ideology in the old world countries. [ Africa, Latin America, Parts of Asia ].

[Democracy, origin: late 16th cent.: from French démocratie, via late Latin from Greek dēmokratia, from dēmos ‘the people’ + -kratia ‘power, rule. ]

Would the alternative African tribal way of existence have succeeded, the answer to the question is a no. It was also a dictatorial system with little or no consent from it's people. In this instance, the options for the African, is to experiment and seek out new ideas, social structures and economic systems that will suit his/her historicity, experience and environment.


" Ethical, Moral, Religious and Spiritual ", considerations and reflection must always precede all decisions on matters related to the Destiny of a people or an individual. It involves the issue of existence in the context of Life and Death. These fundamental elements can not be discarded nor temporarily put aside in favor of, " the cravings of sensationalism ", " the thirsting for power ", the searching for personal fulfillment and realization of dreams, exotic fantasy and delusions at the expense of a Just Cause.

Some psychological laws of existence do not permit nor allow that a society, or an individual abrogate the process of self governance unto another. When this happens as it inevitably does in the reality of human societies, the results are
absolute retrogression, retardation, regeneration, decay and putridity of life. They are hard facts, but a reality of which the evidence are plentiful in every realm of existence. Not only does it destroy a people's initiative and incentives, it fundamentally renders impotent the people's power of Critical, Analytical and Original thinking. The people's capacity to have original thoughts to confront and dissolve totally everyday problems and issues as they are arising.

In other words, all leaders or would be leaders, those interested in putting order in society or restructuring society as a prerequisite must always start with a careful and honest evaluation of their individual " Motives and Intents ", must have a great and abundant capacity for Self criticism, plenty of doubting as to the veracity and tenacity of their ideas. For the simple reason that, there is absolutely no human entity that can think accurately for another no matter how good the intentions are. Thinking together, finding a common solution together, participatory processes, education, intelligence and compassion are all processes that will certainly bring successful results.


ContryFowl


Mburlih

It is clear from the tremendous reaction to this document here on the forum that the aspirations Southern Cameroonians to the restoration of their Statehood is alive and as keen as ever. If some one had thrown this document out to test their reaction as a gauge of their continued adherence to the concept of Independence they can now rest assured that the adherence is unbendable.

Having said that, I think many opinions have been expressed hear on the forum alluding to the lack of credibility to this document both in form and content. The only way for the Post to satisfy doubting Thomases, like myself, is to publish the signed full text of the press release. After all a press release is by definition a public document. In the mean time the question should be asked as to whether the press release for such an important international event was exclusively made to the Post?

My doubts are based on the conviction that grouped together the leaders of the main fronts for the independence of Southern Cameroons have the intellectual capacities to produce a more operative restoration structure than this.

7512wilson

Greetings to all. I am glade to join you all in this debate/forum after a period of absence. I have always felt that the Southern Cameroons struggle to gain her independence is a legitimate struggle but there is a fundamental lack in leadership, integrity and trust among the ranks of the Southern Cameroon leadership. Publishing names of Individuals without consulting them is a very serious mishap with far reaching implications. This is not funny at all. I have great respect for Professor Carlson Anyangwe but i am completely baffled as to why He will stoop this low. Just to clarify, my name is not on the list but i have been in contact with some people whose names are on the list and needless to say they are completely shucked and feel used and violated. This game has to stop. More to come.

rexon

Wilson,

Just to clarify, there are three issues that one can decipher from this. 1:Names of purported leaders have been published, 2:At this point in time, no one knows whether the list is genuine or not, or even its origin, 3:some of us believe that no matter the origin of the list, we need an effective leadership that unites the different factions and this seems like a step forward.

DaDiceman

Rexon, does YOUR need for leadership supercede every other moral principle?

Does YOUR need supercede the need for the privacy of individuals who do not want their names published on the internet for a leadership role they have not been consulted on?

Does YOUR need supercede the human rights of individuals not to be coerced into a political grouping they have not signed up to?

Paul

LET US BE CONSTRUCTIVE

It is very important for anyone to voice out his or her opinion with regards to anything. But if someone tries to appeal to the cheap baseless and uninspiring slogan of North/West Divide is calling for the celebration of naivety and mediocrity on the grounds of South-west-sheep and North West Wolfs. Can anyone imagine that in the Branch where I attend meetings in the South West only few indigenes attend meetings as compared to the Come-no-goes who attend the meetings? Even if all the names were to come from the “South West” there would not be enough activist to fill the spaces except that we have

On the other hand once any posting or claim is based on a lie, the credibility of such an individual is hurt and cannot be relied on.

Starting from the Presidency, Everything is clear that those who build up this Gift of the Year Government did their work, maybe not to perfection, but to near perfection.

Out of the eight Offices at the Presidency, there are three Persons of South West Descent.

For the Senators, we have the following names
1, Chief Ayamba
2, Njoh Litumbe
3, Sona Isaac
4, Aloycius Mbu
5, James Sabum
6, Henry Fosung
7, Mrs. Luma
8, Misodi Christopher
9, Melisa Nabangi

For the Honorable Ministers
1, Ebune Ngundue
2, Weslie Tiku
3, George Ekontang
4, Thomas Moture
5, Andrew Edimo
6, Victoria Ndando
7, Moses Tabe
8, charles mbide
9, Frederick ebong
10, Ebeza Akwanga

For the Deputies

1, Jimmy Jakai
2, Jonas Tiku
3, Emmanuel Nkea
4, Ntemfac Ofege
5, Jonas Tiku
6, Peter Njang
7, Nasako Besingi
8, Valentine Mbepson
9, Charles Taku
10, Dioh Winifred Bonana

This writer has only gone through all these stages for the rest to check with their consciences. Should we lie to convince people to buy our ideas? All the empty talks have not gotten us anywhere. If we are really serious then this is the time for us to put all aside and support these people to take the course to another level. Even if we know more than we think that they Know, it is befitting for us to come together to assist them do this thing for us. It is completely wrong for us to think that the course for our liberation must only come from some special people with special names. Let us drop this issue of Names and turn to Pragmatism. These old names have not succeeded to get us anywhere. This New birth may take us where we need to get to. But we must give them the chance to do it. If we can drop on our knees and appeal to reason, then we would be able to get somewhere. We are ripe for Freedom. But it seems as if some of the groups that have only leant how to talk and have no plans but what they say with they mouths are yet to understand what is going and so would want to keep us on the same spot forever.

Please Sit up and accept that it is we that counts and not me as you do. Be truthful and shame the devil. This is one of the best attempts that were ever made by any group. Please don’t just criticize it because it is not done your way. Be Constructive and everyone would support you.

Culled From Posting to Nationalgroup by:
Ntung Nwie

7512wilson

Rexon

When something is wrong it is wrong and there is no ifs and buts. It is completely wrong and illegal to publish names of People as being part of a leadership of an organization without first consulting with them. Like i earlier said, there are far reaching implications for such a cowardice action. People futures, jobs, political hopes and aspirations are at stake here. If the leadership of the Southern Cameroon movement are truly responsible for this act, then i am afraid for the course of the Southern Cameroon movement for independent.

Fon

The SCYL must be joking. It will be interesting to know how far they have gone with their acquisition of arms and how many have so far been trained militarily. The rebuttal is unguided.

Etchu,
Read the quotation below from Shalom again
"But I would have liked my dear Citizenspokesman to make a list of all front line Southern Cameroons freedom fighters and see what proportion of the whole is my fellow Southwesterners before commenting"

I would like you and Citizenspokesman to make a better analysis by listing some frontline members of the SCNC from the SW that you think have been sidelined in this interim Governmet.
I am very sure the greatest problem Prof. Anyanwe and co had was to have enough person to fill the posts; persons who are ready to keep the flame of the struggle burning.
If you have some names from the SW to propose as person who are already to take the fight to the next level, I am sure the Anyangwe´s will be so happy to include them in the interim Government.

Cheer and merry chrismas to all.

Fon

The SCYL must be joking. It will be interesting to know how far they have gone with their acquisition of arms and how many have so far been trained militarily. The rebuttal is unguided.

Etchu,
Read the quotation below from Shalom again
"But I would have liked my dear Citizenspokesman to make a list of all front line Southern Cameroons freedom fighters and see what proportion of the whole is my fellow Southwesterners before commenting"

I would like you and Citizenspokesman to make a better analysis by listing some frontline members of the SCNC from the SW that you think have been sidelined in this interim Governmet.
I am very sure the greatest problem Prof. Anyanwe and co had was to have enough person to fill the posts; persons who are ready to keep the flame of the struggle burning.
If you have some names from the SW to propose as person who are already to take the fight to the next level, I am sure the Anyangwe´s will be so happy to include them in the interim Government.

Cheer and merry chrismas to all.

rexon

Dadiceman,

I have not said they should publish anyones name without first consulting them. Maybe u are saying so.

Cheers.

casara

People
What a list.
I wish,that these people listed come together and give us what we are looking for.

And, i also wish,that, this is for real not a joke.

Any one who thinks, his or her, job,political aspirations are at stake,because his or her name was included in the list is not a true Southern cameroonian.

Poeple, let me make this clear to u'all.That there's nothing like,north west and south west Southern cameroons.We only have a one southern cameroons. So forget about the North west and south west story.That comes up only when you talk of La Republique.Please, go back and read the real history of the Southern Cameroons.
Let's stop talking about bias and stuff like that,Please.

Ma Mary

Some very insightful contributions have been coming in here, and they should be taken into consideration by this leadership.

Contrifowl, I hope you are not merely a spectator commenting on the sidelines, but are ready to put in your ideas for real. There is certainly the very real element of people not being consulted about serving, but most of these people have already taken oaths to do what it takes to free the Southern Cameroons, so as long as the call is genuine, they will step up and take responsibility.

I would like to think that this is a rough first impression and things will subsequently be honed down and fine tuned.

- This is a unity govt designed to bring together the factions of the struggle. In this particular case, unity, at least for the time being might be a more important consideration than the lean and mean structure that Watesih alludes to, and which I also favor.

- A Southern Cameroon Civil Service is exactly that, a service for the citizens. It is not a place in which the people service some puffy, undeserving elites. That is the Camerounese model which we must reject in toto. We therefore call on this govt to do away with hifallutin titles like "Minister General blah blah blah". Get rid of the Title Minister completely. In Africa, that title has come to mean the same thing as "shameless corrupt pig". I don't know about you, but when I hear that word, I want to vomit. . There are more modest titles like "Labor Secretary" that describe the same job.

- Another point raised by Contrifowl is very important and that relates to the matter of consent to be governed, participation in governance and accountability. I would like to think that this is a transitory structure, designed to accomplish a certain goal and then to give way to representative government. It is impractical to conduct open Southern Cameroons business in our occupied country, so corners would have to be cut and rules bent so that we may get to the point where we have the freedom to create the climate for proper representative government. In case people have forgotten, this is an offshoot of the mandate that came out of the two AAC conferences as well as the signature referendum that were all undertaken under significant risk to the participants. There is a strong democratic undercurrent in Southern Cameroons tradition and history and I do not think this particular aberration has undermined it.

People are just doing what they need to do under inhospitable conditions. We now wait with baited breath for what happens next. As many people here have stated, this is what they have been waiting for.

Paul

CONGRATULATIONS BSCLF

I am excited with the wisdom and thought that went into producing a Restoration Government that has representatives from each group. I congratulate BSCLF for the job and call on all serious people to support this government. So many people have asked that question " Who is your leader, what is the government structure". This release answers the question. Also, with a government, it is easier for the BSCLF or even the SCYL to engage and not be termed terrorist. They will have a legitimate mouthpiece, a government structure with a leader, to speak on their behalf. BSCLF rightly pointed out in their preamble of the release that only the President or his Delegated Representative(s) can speak on BSCLF behalf. This, I think is what they foresaw. We needed this two or three years ago. I see the BSCLF as the military of the Restoration Government. This is a fluent idealogy.

I think consultation, though good, could have leaked out the effort or put in place the wrong people. Since, all those who are listed are supporters of the struggle, they should understand that to protect the cause is very paramount. No one on the list is a non-supporter. Any non-supporter would have been consulted by any means. But inside the house of supporters, let us protect our thing. Crying foul or hanging on Consultation is not too appropriate for now. Is like one was really never a supporter in the first place. It is even funnier if a person who is not on the list shouts about consultation. This does not sit well with commitment, though.

About NW/SW composition. I think given the level of participation, BSCLF has done a superb job composing the government. We shall easily solve the balance equation through our CONSTITUTION. That is what, I think, the SENATE, as the legislative branch will work on, and was conceived to work on. All these questions cannot be answered by the BSCLF, else it will be DICTATING.

We need to support this government and rally around to make it work. We can easily be recognized even without a fight, if this government goes operational as a GOVERNMENT.

Fear and scare tactics will hurt us. Let us not focus on who did it, why, why not me, why not include this or that. There are alot more positions that everyone who participated can occupy. We should not expect BSCLF to fill all. The President and government can fill some as we go. We should not hurry to condemn then look for reasons for why we condemned, instead of doing the reverse. Let us give this RESTORATION GOVERNMENT, the chance to focus on what we want--our Independence. They should also seek International papers to release the government to internationalize it.

I have read all reactions at Campost Weblog etc. Some were not well thought through. Emotional charges will not help us. This group BSCLF are thinking heads and I congratulate them for the initiative. we can use this as baseline and improve. Give us independence Restoration Government. I support you and know many others in my group who do.

Concerned Patriot

John Nebafor

Paul


GO BEFORE RESTORATION GOVERNMENT! OYA

John

Wise and Humble

We seem to have become totally striken by the type of Fobia that it would take us a very long time to get freed of. Our situation is like some who needs to have his farm Cleared. As such he needs two things. A cutlass and a File. While he is searching for money to buy the two Items, by some luck some rushes in and gives him a Blunt Cutlass. To everyone, in a good thinking position, he should be rejoicing that at least one of his problems have been solved now that he only has to search for money with which to buy only a file with which tsharpen the blunt cutlass.

For over the Years we have wondered round the world like a brood of loose, and helpless sheep without a shepard. Without a Sound Leadership, we would only groove around and shall never get anywhere. If we did not know, then we have to know that for over the years, we have had those before whom we present our case laugh at us not only because of our Dividedness, but also because we have never had a structure that is leading us. We have never had anyone to whom to turn. All we have had has been hundreds of small people feeling like Kings amongst the few followers they might have managed to convince. Some have only succeeded to sing their own dirges with their very mouths because no one is willing to follow them. All these names have kept us Enslaved and Subjugated.

This Government is like that God-sent Cutlass. Yet rather than turn to it and go for the File so that we head straight to the farm, we have resorted to our regular shit of accusations and counter accusatiopns.

This is a call by the people of Southern Cameroons to all those Listed in the Government. As free as we are, everyone is free to say NO or YES. If that person thinks that only him, or her could do what he is being called to do, then he may be shocked that another willing person would take it and do it even better. Anyone who feels that he or she is too important and his or her life anywhere is better than being a servant to the people of Southern Cameroons should say it now or join in any way to help this Government. From the Top to the Buttom, everyone in this Government must have done something that makes those who selected him, or her know that the person would be able to work for our country.

To those people out of the territory should know that our people are suffering. We need someone to lead us. To tell us what to expect, and what to do. we are ready to do anything that it take for us to attain our Independence. There is no better time than the time that the right thing is done. Anyone who says that he or she was not consulted should be left aside and those who are willing to lead us.

Why do we act the way we do? why do we think that what was not done must have been left undone only because someone thought ill? Why don't we consider that those who made this selection could not have gone through all the Formality of Consultations in fear that the whole thingt would be leaked before its Publication? Being where we are is like state of Emergency. How could a people in such a state also do things in a formal manner? We are tired of all this talking. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR LEADERS. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR PRESIDENT. WE ARE HUNGRY FOR BUEA. LET THOSE AMERICA PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT IN AMERICA LIKE THJEM> WE WANT TO MAKE OUR AMERICA IN OUR COUNTRY SOUTHERN CAMEROONS. THERE IS TOTAL JOY EVERYWHERE IN SOUTHERN CAMEROONS BECAUSE OF THIS gOVERNMENT. THEY ARE OUR CHOICE AND WE WANT TO STAND BEHIOND THEM. PLEASE ARE WE SAFE?????

Wise and Humble

We seem to have become totally striken by the type of Fobia that it would take us a very long time to get freed of. Our situation is like some who needs to have his farm Cleared. As such he needs two things. A cutlass and a File. While he is searching for money to buy the two Items, by some luck some rushes in and gives him a Blunt Cutlass. To everyone, in a good thinking position, he should be rejoicing that at least one of his problems have been solved now that he only has to search for money with which to buy only a file with which tsharpen the blunt cutlass.

For over the Years we have wondered round the world like a brood of loose, and helpless sheep without a shepard. Without a Sound Leadership, we would only groove around and shall never get anywhere. If we did not know, then we have to know that for over the years, we have had those before whom we present our case laugh at us not only because of our Dividedness, but also because we have never had a structure that is leading us. We have never had anyone to whom to turn. All we have had has been hundreds of small people feeling like Kings amongst the few followers they might have managed to convince. Some have only succeeded to sing their own dirges with their very mouths because no one is willing to follow them. All these names have kept us Enslaved and Subjugated.

This Government is like that God-sent Cutlass. Yet rather than turn to it and go for the File so that we head straight to the farm, we have resorted to our regular shit of accusations and counter accusatiopns.

This is a call by the people of Southern Cameroons to all those Listed in the Government. As free as we are, everyone is free to say NO or YES. If that person thinks that only him, or her could do what he is being called to do, then he may be shocked that another willing person would take it and do it even better. Anyone who feels that he or she is too important and his or her life anywhere is better than being a servant to the people of Southern Cameroons should say it now or join in any way to help this Government. From the Top to the Buttom, everyone in this Government must have done something that makes those who selected him, or her know that the person would be able to work for our country.

To those people out of the territory should know that our people are suffering. We need someone to lead us. To tell us what to expect, and what to do. we are ready to do anything that it take for us to attain our Independence. There is no better time than the time that the right thing is done. Anyone who says that he or she was not consulted should be left aside and those who are willing to lead us.

Why do we act the way we do? why do we think that what was not done must have been left undone only because someone thought ill? Why don't we consider that those who made this selection could not have gone through all the Formality of Consultations in fear that the whole thingt would be leaked before its Publication? Being where we are is like state of Emergency. How could a people in such a state also do things in a formal manner? We are tired of all this talking. WE WANT TO KNOW WHAT TO DO. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR LEADERS. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM OUR PRESIDENT. WE ARE HUNGRY FOR BUEA. LET THOSE AMERICA PEOPLE KNOW THAT WE ARE NOT IN AMERICA LIKE THJEM> WE WANT TO MAKE OUR AMERICA IN OUR COUNTRY SOUTHERN CAMEROONS. THERE IS TOTAL JOY EVERYWHERE IN SOUTHERN CAMEROONS BECAUSE OF THIS gOVERNMENT. THEY ARE OUR CHOICE AND WE WANT TO STAND BEHIOND THEM. PLEASE ARE WE SAFE?????

Danny Boy

Mr. Rexon and Mr. Tayong,
A merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.

When you tuck into your turkey tomorrow, think about this, " Do you want a Presidential system of Government or the Parliamentary type?"

In your reflections, you might come to understand why I call this lot, "somebody's rabble"! There is already dissention amongst their ranks!
In summary gentlemen, look at the Anglophone world and tell me how many Presidents there are. These freedom fighters seem to have inherited quite a lot from the " Camerounese" and the French he/she despises!
Do I want to belong? No thanks.

Blessed be Cameroon.

Paul

Yes Danny boy:
Some Anglophone Countries With Presidential System:

Nigeria- Presidential System
South Africa- Presidential System
Ghana- Presidential System
Zimbabwe- Presidential System
Kenya- Presidential System.

The list goes on around the World.

Thank you, BSCLF.

Long Live the Restoration Government
longLive British Southern Cameroons

rexon

Danny Boy,

We know you are not with us and that is not a problem as far as i am concerned. But i will only have a problem with you if you attempt to deprive me of my right under international law for an independent statehood. We surely do not need your lectures because we understand where we are going to and our leaders have better advisers. If the SCNC needs constitutional and legal advise, they would consult our friends in Europe, EU parliament, Swedish and other Scandinavian goTvernments, etc that supports us wholeheartedly and not any tom dick and harry that have been brainwashed with the politics of falsehood of La Republique Francaise du Cameroun.

That said, alot of people hate our freedom because of greed. This type of freedom we are fighting for is not the type involving bribes from La Republique. Why should u then support it?

Cheers.

Ma Mary

Danny Boy-
Happy spectating.
I wish you a Merry Christmas, and also this condensed version of a nice Christmas story:

A town is threatened with flooding, and the police evacuate folk in the floodplain. One guy refuses to leave, saying, "I trust that God will save me." As the waters rise, a fire engine, motorboat and helicopter all try to pluck the doofus from the flood. Finally he is washed away. When he finds himself before the throne of God, he is indignant. "Why didn't you save me from the flood?" he demands of the Almighty. God replies, "What do you think the cop, fire engine, boat and helicopter were all about?"

Sir, you are quibbling over minutiae. As the proverb of uncertain Nigerian origins says: "Belly full make potato get kanda." The problem with our situation is that we no belly full, so why are we concerned about kanda.

tayong

Danny boy,merry christmas and happy holiday

Here you "Do I want to belong? No thanks", Danny you make me smile sometimes.You dont want to belong yet you take to the rostrum to lecture constitutional law. Anyway its understandable why you wouldnt want to belong, nobody wants to step out of his pew."No throw sand for my garri, abi?"

Well the Anglophone consciousness has achieved tons with naysayers at the background, they always said" No Thanks" but years later they used other people hands to beat their chests. Even Njeuma today takes credit for the creation of UB same as Yembe brags about GCE Board.

Well Danny happy holidays once more!


tayong

Hear...

Paul

Very interesting debate. This is truly freedom of expression in a democracy such as that of the future British Southern Cameroons. Knowing that we all accept the need for a clear unified leadership, and the BSCLF has tried to do that except for consultation, which, could have been a LEAKAGE protective measure, let us hold our calm until the BSCLF speaks again or President speaks. I believe no one would have liked a LEAK. If you do not like a leak, then consultation becomes less important at this time, if unconditional Independence is really our goal.

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year 2008

Paul

Danny Boy

Hi Folks,
this is my third attempt to post a message to the forum. Ma Mary, thanks and a prosperous New Year to you too. Mr. Rexon and Mr. Tayong, thanks equally and a wonderful and fruitful 2008.
As for Pa or Mr. Paul, I do not envy your wonderful list of countries with Presidents. That was the trap and you fell into it. Presidential systems are innately corrupt and dictatorial. Why swap one for the other? Such an illustrous list indeed--G -7!!
Will tell you about an alternative later when the system is not playing up.
Thanks and once again have a wonderful festive season.

Wise and Humble

The wind has now blown and the crun of the Chiken is being exposed. When a group like the SCYL, that for over the Years has suffered the wight of Dictatorship from TWO uncompromising Half Baked and Politically uninformed and uneducated Quacks fails to see that it has reduced the issues of the Liberation of Southern Cameroons to the Childish trumps of Word, it is thus sowing the seeds of it Ultimate Annihilation.

The word Annihilation is even an Over-used sign of Politeness as the SCYL, has completly lost any member that it might have had to these two Shouting boys, Akwanga and Ayaba. The voice that sounded from France only came to tell the SCYL to think a second time. Belonging to any group is simply a matter of choice and not force.

The more the SCYL, think that it can threaten its members and force them to belong the less members it would hold. Writing threatening letters like the one that was written to SCYL France shows what a Dictorship this two-Man Movement has suffered.

If the SCYL is complaining not to have been consulted before being Listed in the Restoration Government, what consultation did it make before publishing the Press Release Disaasocieted itself from the Restoration Government simply Because it did not up-hold the Polictical Farce of having Its What-it-be-Called as President? In fact, when serious things start happening, people like the SCYL Leadership would surely nat want them to be as they cannot meet with the needs of the task. We are a Country and not a Village. We are a Morden Nation that needs people with Substance and willingness to rule it and not just any Dig and dump Quack. If anyone were only interested in our Independence and not in making himself a name, then that person would not jump up and reject such a clearly CONSENSUS Group, specially and labourously put together simply because it did not come from an Inexixtent SCYL. We are back here in Southern Cameroons and till now we have never seen a member of the SCYL anywhere. What a shame????

Ntung Nwie
Answering the Unasked

Freedomland

"As for Pa or Mr. Paul, I do not envy your wonderful list of countries with Presidents. That was the trap and you fell into it. Presidential systems are innately corrupt and dictatorial."
Danny Boy

Danny Boy,
It is wise sometimes to not try to make such a brought generalisation about Presidential Systems of governance. To make generalisations like "Presidential systems are innately corrupt and dictatorial" shows your lack of understanding about the governance structure of a nation-state.

There are two elements that together make up the governance structure of a country.

I) Political Representation. This can be either:

a) Presidential
b) Parliamentory
c) a combination of both.

The second element of governance is

II) Institutional Arrangement.

This determines the formal structure of political decentralisation.

It can either be
1) A Unitary System
2) A Federal System
3) A cofederation

A combination of one element from (I) and another from (II) make up the governance structure. If you have a presidential system of political representative and a federal system of arrangement of institutions, as in the USA, there are checks and balances. Hence, it is wrong for you to suggest that "Presidential systems are innately corrupt and dictatorial."

You seem tin my view, to wrongly assume that all Presidential systems have a UNITARY structure of political decentralisation when you make such statments. That is not true. There are presdidential systems with a federal stucture of political arrangement.

In a federal system of government, the power of elected officials is defined in the CONSTITUTION hence the president`s powers are limited to what is in the constitution.

On the other hand, in a UNITARY system, the power of individuals in the government is determined by the present who can add or reduce it at any time. That is where the issue of corruption arises, when elected officials for example derive their power from the president instead of from the constitution as in a federal setting.

Take this example, if you have a parliamentory system of government and a UNITARY institutional arrangement of political decentralisation, there is bound to be corruption.

The bottomline is that the issue of curruption does not, in most part, depend on whether it is a parliamentory of presidential system of political representation. It dependents on the second element; whether it is a FEDERAL, UNITARY, or a COFEDERATION.

Freedomland

correction: Last but 2 paragraphs

On the other hand, in a UNITARY system, the power of individuals in the government is determined by the PRESIDENT (not the "presnet") who can add or reduce it at any time.


Shalom

Good debate!!!
I believe that in the next couple of days, we will hear from H.E. Anyangwe announcing the first quick steps of his government and then those loud mouths will need to be quiet for a while.
Motion Restoration Government. We are behind you. Please tell us exactly what you expect us to be doing right now.

Abakwalion

This seem to be the beginning of another dictatorship.
First of all is every inhabitant or native/descendant of the NW and SW Provinces behind this idea? I myself have never been asked if i would like to be a "southern cameroonian".Has there ever been a referendum or some sought of opinion pool to see if all the descendants of the "southern cameroons" are behind this issue? Me personally i will and want to remain a bamenda boy in a United Cameroon and maybe one day united central african republic.
So make wuna no bring genocide for pays.
BSCLF

simplice

Mr Freedomland, that was a good piece.

Wilson, welcome.

Paul

Abakwalion:

Yes, there was a referendum on the issue. The 1995 Signature Referendum conducted in the Southern Cameroons. This gives the mandate for the cause. Listen Abakwalion, the best thing that has happened to our cause as mandated by the ACC II of 1994, is the formation of this broadbased Restoration Government. At the end of the day, through patience and careful analysis, all British Southern Cameroonians, should support this initiative. I am also waiting to hear from the President. I do not need any consultation to serve a cause I believe in so well at all.

Paul

Shalom

Abakwalion indeed!!!
Who do you think you can fool on this forum?
By their fruits you shall know them.
I hope every forumist is beginning to develop the capacity to quickly identify and expose all hired hoodlums of LR coming on this forum as impostors.
"So make wuna no bring genocide for pays."
What happened in Buea, Ndu, and recently in Kumba, what do you call that? Did we bring it? Do you think we will be naive and wait for the assassins to kill us every time in peaceful manifestations?
Now we have a government that will give us directive as to what to do; and nothing keeps anyone from choosing where to belong, even crossing over to LR.It is your full right. But do not think that everybody wants to be a slave just because you want to protect your interests with LR.

ebai-smith

WELL JUST TO SAY THE DUST HAVE NOT YET SETTLED AND WE ARE ALMOST FED UP WITH DIRTS IN OUR EYES WHAT WILL THEN HAPPEN IF THE FEAST IS OVER?

Ma Mary

Abakwalion, Resident Alien? How does that sound?

TAGRO

Abakwalion, La Republique du Cameroun, as a matter of policy, posts their HIV positive armed forces in the Southern Cameroons. No other than John Fru Ndi - himself - is on videotape saying this! That is genocide by any definition. It is therefore no coindence that the highest rate of HIV in that construct called Cameroon is in our land-the Southern Cameroons.

Abakwalion and your French genocidal sponsors, this in essence is the definition of genocide:

"A genocide is a conspiracy aimed at the total destruction of a group and thus requires a concerted plan of action. The instigators and initiators of a genocide are cool-minded theorists first and barbarians only second. The specificity of genocide does not arise from the extent of the killings, nor their savagery or resulting infamy, but solely from the intention: the destruction of a group."

The Southern Cameroons and its people have been targeted for destruction by France masquerading as La Republique du Cameroun. From the day when De Gaulle called us a "gift to France from the Queen of England" to Biya's latest declaration in France that he intends to make his country a "haven for the French language."

France and la Republique du Cameroun, Abakwalion, began by destroying the infrastructure: Powercam and Yoke, National Produce Marketing Board, Santa Coffee, Cameroon Bank etc. They sabotaged and then took over and withheld terms of financing and credits from our business titans like Nangah, Fomenky Bros and others.

France and la Republique du Cameroun, Abakwalion, destroyed the prosperous trade town of Mamfe and its once dynamic River Port commerce. Today the take helicopters to Ekok to collect monies they use for their armed forces to kill our children, if not with bullets, then with the virus that causes AIDS.

France and la Republique du Cameroun, Abakwalion, began re-naming our towns like Victoria, while you have Avenues Charles de Gaulle all over there in la Republique du Cameroun, and statutes honoring French men who came and butchered Africans for colonial sport.

Of course they destroyed our government, killed its most vocal PM Jua, and dismembered our country to their so-called provinces and then some; they imposed Black Camerounese French Africans trained in a fascist laboratory called ENAM to supervise dsiruption of local ways of live, plunder their resources, and bring death with their French language and babaric customs. They as known as Sous Prefets, Prefets and Governeurs, and they are the foot soldiers of France's quiet genocide in my homeland:

"A genocide is a conspiracy aimed at the total destruction of a group and thus requires a concerted plan of action. The instigators and initiators of a genocide are cool-minded theorists first and barbarians only second. The specificity of genocide does not arise from the extent of the killings, nor their savagery or resulting infamy, but solely from the intention: the destruction of a group."

When children are repeatedly raped and killed in Buea, Ndu, Kumba, Bamenda in public, and no one is ever held accountable, where are you with you smelly, rotten, dirty mouth about bringing "genocide to pays."

Abakwalion and your French sponsors,we will teach you, we will instruct you, we will impose on you and your sponsors, whether you like it or not, the good sense of simple reasoned morality and ethics.

I do not care about the process of this so-called government, but I will not let an immoral, vapid coward like you that sits quiet when fascists and genocidal maniacs ravage our land and kill its children to invoke the spectre of genocide on its being.

Reservations aside, I WILL DEFEND AND SUPPORT this government if at the end of the day, it comes from our people who are tired of the slow-motion genocide against them.

Come again Abakwalion.

Danny Boy

Mr. Freedomland,
just read your expose again and can not reconcile this with what obtains here in the UK, nor in Cuba, China and N. Korea.
Rather than engage you in some useless debate, may I say, I admire your enthusiasm and wish you well on your quixotic journey.
Good luck.

felix

Ma Mary I had thought that this time you have learn to be mature enough only to hear you throw racist insult to Abakwalion as, Resident Alien? How does that sound?.That has always been your defence mechanism "getting too mean"
Ahaha, the implication of this newly formed paper government may have consequences as from 2011.
There is a deal here with the government.Anybody can learn and use the Musharraf method(I am not talking about the Death of Bhutto's)but I am talking about a senario where the country will be put into a State of emgency and the constitution manipulated.I had already heard Some CPDM person talking about Biya being the only president who had garanteen security in that part of Africa.So this is an insecure peice granted on a platta of Gold to biya come 2011.
The truth about it is that as much as SCNC and the other fractions are dying out this same paper government will be lured by the CPDM government to die on paper just as it was created.
What about asylum seeking?.As time and methods changes is this a new fomula for survival?.

vito

Felix shut up!!

vito

I'd hand my wallet to the president and his deputy if only they tell me more about it and flush out the dimwits refusing responsibility and honor but who would later come back in brighter days to claim 'founding fatherhood'

vito

A very prosperous 2008 to all you all.God's richest blessings.Thanks

vito

That was 'to you all' and thank you webmaster for finally allowing me post something.A fine year to you.Cheers.

Ma Mary

"Resident Alien" is not a racist insult, but the official appellation of a person who takes residence in a country where he is not a citizen. I am merely saying that no one will force people to take Southern Cameroonian citizenship in a free Southern Cameroons. If you choose to remain a Camerounese and obey Southern Cameroons law, you would be a resident alien in Southern Cameroons. Do I have to spell it out? Fun is, I think most of you who oppose our progress here are not really Southern Cameroonians, but Camerounese fearful of losing the occupation and its benefits.

You are wasting your time.

7512wilson

I am not for or against SCNC but the controversies surrounding the so call Southern Cameroon movement or the SCNC are numerous and not surprisingly so. What is the SCNC? What is her objective, who is a Southern Cameroonian and who is not? What is being an Anglophone got to do with the SCNC? And so on and so forth. There are many questions to be answered and things to be decided. First of all, what does the Northwestener has in common with the Southwestener and what is the common ground for their seeking a Nation of their own. There are even more questions to be asked and the more questions there is, the more confuse and complex the struggle.
Historically and culturally, Northwesteners are mostly Tikars who are closely related to the Bamoums and Bamilikes of the Western Province of Cameroon. Even the dialects of many tribes in the Northwest province are similar to those of tribes in the Western Province. The Bali Chambers for example, who later settled in the Northwest Province still have close cultural ties with some tribes in the Western province. As a matter of fact, the Bali-Bawocks speak the same dialect with the Bamilikes.
On the other hand, the Bakweri people have strong historical and cultural ties with the Doualas of the Littoral Province. There are even similarities in the dialects amongst some Bakweri tribes in the Southwest and some villages in the Littoral province. They are all Bantus and share the same ancestral heritage and origins.
So what does the Northwestener and Southwestener has in common other than the fact that they are Anglophones or English speaking? The answer to that is anyone’s guess. However, another question is, who is an Anglophone Cameroonian and who is a Francophone Cameroonian. Tricky question! Let me give an Example. My mother is from Dchang, My father is Douala, I was born in Wum in Menchum Division, I went to primary school in Wum, secondary school in CPC Bali, went to University of Buea two years, travelled to the United States, got a bachelors Degree from University of Maryland and came back to Cameroon. So who am I?, A francophone or an Anglophone?. 30% of Cameroonians consider themselves Anglophones. About 35% to 40% of the population in the Western Province of Cameroon has leanings towards the anglophone culture. About 25% to 30% of the populations of the Littoral province have anglophone leanings.
So why are we fooling ourselves?. "We" so call "Southern Cameroonians" need to be sure what we are getting into or are we really different from the rest of Cameroon?. Who are we?. We must answer that in order to know what we want. The late Lucky Dube once said “If you don’t know where you are from, you definitely don’t know where you are going”. Southern Cameroonians have many problems but breaking away to create their own nation will only add to the many problems they already have. We must decide who we are first.

TAGRO

7512wilson, thanks for making me laugh so hard. How desperate and anxious you are.

It will be your choice to be a citizen of a free Southern Cameroons. Your parents were wise to settle there. That much can not be said of you. Maybe your parents escaped the genocide of the French to settle in Wum, and your reward to us is to maintain us under that same genocidal system that created and maintained the Ahidjo and Biya juntas and that has been implanted in our land?

Let's forget about this little inconvenience called langauge: French (that Biya wants to create a haven for) and English.

Now, you said:
"First of all, what does the Northwestener has in common with the Southwestener and what is the common ground for their seeking a Nation of their own"

Tell us what a Tipouri or Farnortherner has in common a Eastern province person and what is the common ground for them being in one country, la Republique Francaise du Cameroun? Or better yet, what does a Black Americans and white Americans, just to mane this two groups, have in common for them to be citizens of their own Nation called the USA?

7512wilson, do you know the meaning of citizenship?

You said:
"Bakweri people have strong historical and cultural ties with the Doualas of the Littoral Province. There are even similarities in the dialects amongst some Bakweri tribes in the Southwest and some villages in the Littoral province."

The same can be said of any peoples astriding international borders in the world. Ndian Division, for example, and Nigerians at the border. Eastern province of la Republique du Cameroun and the Central African Republic. Manyu and Momo. France and Italy etc. etc.

7512wilson, do you know the meaning of citizenship?

You said:
"My mother is from Dchang, My father is Douala, I was born in Wum in Menchum Division, I went to primary school in Wum, secondary school in CPC Bali, went to University of Buea two years, travelled to the United States, got a bachelors Degree from University of Maryland and came back to Cameroon. So who am I?"

Have you heard of Barack Obama? Born in Hawaii, spent some of his youth in Indonesia, his father was from Kenya. And he may become the next president of the USA. So who is Barack Obama?

7512wilson, are you now prepared to take a lesson on the meaning of citizenship?

You said:
"About 25% to 30% of the populations of the Littoral province have anglophone leanings."

How about 100% of Cross River state is 100% anglophone (not your so-called
"anglophone leanings"). Maybe we should be with Nigeria for that reason because all of Nigeria is 100% anglophone.

7512wilson, your lesson on citizenship is over. For extra-credit, please read a little bit about the laws the govern nations.

And please do not embarass CPC Bali here with your aromatic ignorance so strong, I am smelling it right here at my keyboard.


7512wilson

TAGRO
With due respect to your opinion which is rightly yours, i will refrain from using strong words. I live in a civilize society where everyone’s opinion counts. As I earlier said, I am not for or against the SCNC or Southern Cameroon movement. I just think that there are many unanswered questions that must be clearly addressed with regards to self determination and allegiance. What is the determining factor of being a Southern Cameroonian and where is the line drawn?. Secondly, who are the Southern Cameroonians fighting against and how are they different from the purported "Southern Cameroonians". These are very fundamental questions and need answers. Lastly, what body decides who is a Southern Cameroonian and who is not? If we cannot answer this questions, and lets take it that someday "Southern Cameroon" gains her Independence: What will prevent the Southwest province from decrying the Graffi dominance in the newly created "Southern Cameroon" Nation and decide to fight for her own independence.
So Tagro, do you see where i am coming from. I am a critical thinker. I just don't jump into something without thinking about the ramifications.

Tagro

You said something about Barack Obama wanting to be President of The United States despite foreign leanings to Kenya and Indonesia. Well, i am glad you said he wants to be President of the United States and not president Hawaii or Kenya.

As i earlier said, my opinion is only mine and anyone is free to counteract my views or opinion to made the debate more interesting and more of a learning experience.

Tagro, if you have the liberty to call me ignorant then i guess i will use the same liberty to call you Naive and judgmental which ever comes first.
Haven't said that, I still remain A PROUD BOBAN

Thank you

casara

7512wilson,
You seam not to have learnt any thing from this news paper,The post.
What the hell are you talking about?
Where the hell are you coming from?
Stay where you are and forget about this forum.Cos' you have proved that for the number of years you've been in this site,nothing,i repeat,nothing has gotten into that you milky brain.
Get the hell out of this forum and i wish you don't post anything any more.Cos' i don't think you will be able to teach any body any thing.Please go go go go go.
This is a forum where we either learn or teach.But you haven't learned any thing and you are not,and have not been able to teach us.Please leave you are loud sounding nothing.

7512wilson

Casara
The truth hurts but sadly enough, the truth has to be spoken. Everything i wrote above are facts about the dynamics and complexities surrounding the Southern Cameroon movement. It will be better to address this issues now before you go fighting and killing yourselves thinking that you are killing the enemy. The issue is about self determination.

Casara,

Among the things i have learned on this forum is the bullying, threatening and name calling attitude of the SCNC supporters. It clearly shows your level of maturity and sadly enough, it poses more questions to the SCNC struggle than answers.
I am a realist and will continue to contribute on this forum as long as the forum exist. If anyone has a problem with that, then feel free to go to hell.
Thank you.

Ambu Bag

I want to thank The Post for the info.We can debate all we want but i think this is the most reasonble governmemt we can have.For the guy screaming that he was not consulted before his appoinment,he should know that this is a liberation movement and sometimes those decisions might not be perfect so do not scream just opt out.Oliver

simplice

Gentlemen of the core. I just wish to let you know that,during the recent crisis, Wilson is the only forumite who offered to help financially in fighting the regime in place. Casara and Tagro, what did you offer?. What are you offering?.As far as I'm concerned, I know Wilson is the forumnite herein who has matched his words with action.
N.B. This comment is in no respect related to the arguement above.
We shall better judge what anyone says herein through the spectrum of what he can do for cause he's propounding.

Shalom

Mr Wilson,
1) A southern Cameroonian is one who had the privilge, I repeat the privilege, to have been born in the confines of the territory as defined in the Anglo-German treaty under the auspices of the UNO handing that territory over to British Trust. There should be no confusion about it. If you were born there whether you like it or not you are a southern Cameroonian and must follow what the majority of the population of that territory stands for until the day you think you want to move to the land of your ancestors in Dschang.
2) A southern Cameroonian secondly is one who was born elsewhere but who so loves the culture and way of life of the people of this territory that he prefers to migrate and settle in it. In this case as in the former, you must abide by the will of the majority in the territory. If you find that you cannot, do not try to change it. Feel free to move back to your people and say as the prodigal son that you made a mistake.
But, Wilson, do not think that your activities and stupid questions will dissolve the will of the people of this territory. If an intruder comes to your mother's house attacking, good wisdom prescribes that all the children of your mother set aside their differences and fight off the intruder. When he is gone, then you can look at your differences and see how they can be settled. It is stupid, Wilson, to think that since you disagree with your brother, it is no use fighting to send out the intruder since even after that you will continue to fight among yourselves. Such an attitude is called betrayal and the rightful thing for your brothers to do is to throw you out of the house for fear that you will ally with the enemy and become an enemy from within. So Casara is right to cry aloud that you don't belong. You are an ally to the enemy.

7512wilson

Shalom
I am glad to read from you. You have just helped in making the issue more complex than it already was. What makes you think a Southwestener is more of a brother to a Northwestener than a Bamilike or someone from Littoral. You don't know who you are, do you?. Go and look for your lost cousins somewhere south of the Mongo or in Bamilike land and stop kidding yourself. You seem lost and confused and hate the truth. I am trying to help you here OK. For your information, a Graffi man and a Southwestener are not from the same mother. Never ever mix that up again. Go do some more studies about your history or talk to you Grandfather if God is till guarding Him.
"A monkey and a gorilla may claim oneness, but a monkey is a monkey and a gorilla a gorilla" (Chinua Achebe).

Thank you.

7512wilson

Shalom
I am glad to read from you. You have just helped in making the issue more complex than it already was. What makes you think a Southwestener is more of a brother to a Northwestener than a Bamilike or someone from Littoral. You don't know who you are, do you?. Go and look for your lost cousins somewhere south of the Mongo or in Bamilike land and stop kidding yourself. You seem lost and confused and hate the truth. I am trying to help you here OK. For your information, a Graffi man and a Southwestener are not from the same mother. Never ever mix that up again. Go do some more studies about your history or talk to your Grandfather if God is till guarding Him.
"A monkey and a gorilla may claim oneness, but a monkey is a monkey and a gorilla a gorilla" (Chinua Achebe).

Thank you.

TataIbue

Oh My God!! This is the Joke of the year, thx SCNC or whatever it's called now. Your organization has been fighting everything about La Republic, only to become a mini them!! Hurray!!! No wonder this is the most unpopular movement in Cameroon!!

Shalom

Dear Wilson,
Please try to read some history. This same people you claim have nothing in common use to move together as a body to the Lagos house of Assembly. They sat side by side in the House of Assembly in Buea, They sat togethr in the House of Chiefs, They went to the plebiscite in 1961 as one people, they were in Foumban as one people and when Ema Basil asked them to go he did not distinguish. They owned Powercam, Tiko and Victoria Ports, They owned the Marketing Board all as one people. They had a Government of their own not as North-West and South-West Government. They were one until you French Butlickers came with the politics of divide and rule which we are rejecting intoto today.
Wilson, I do not need to go looking for Cousins in the Littoral or Bamilike Land. I was born in Southern Cameroons and You cannot force me out to take the nationality of another country. I love Southern Cameroons and I am proud of my country. If you were so proud of your country, you would easily know that you should go AND DEFEND THE INTERESTS OF YOUR COUNTRY AND NOT TO COME MEDDLING IN THE AFFAIRS OF ANOTHER COUNTRY.
We are ready to accommodate anyone in this country but there is and will be no room for anti-patriotic activities. Either you accept the Nationality with all its implications or you cross over to your fatherland.
Hope you have been educated enough to one day say you learned this from SOUTHERN CAMEROONS.
Goodbye and say Hi to all CENER agents when you meet with them tonight.

Shalom

Tatalbue,
I am happy you said the most unpopular movement in Camerooun (La Republique du Cameroon). It does not have to be otherwise. How else do you expect Obiang Nguema's politcal movement to be popular in Cameroon. CPDM normally should be popular in Cameroon.
SCNC is a movement of Southern Cameroons and not LRC. Go conduct your opinion pools in Southern Cameroons and tell me another movement of the Southern Cameroons which is more popular.

7512wilson

Shalom
Good try that last time but you still don't get it. They lied to you. I mean the "white man" lied to you all claiming to be Southern Cameroon fighters. The white man came and split families up and left, and now we are following the exact steps of the white man.
I will tell you a story. I few weeks ago, there was a trial in Rwanda of a Hutu genocide Aid who is reported to have killed more than 600 Tutsis. However, during the course of the trial, the prosecuting lawyer after thorough investigations suddenly provided evidence pointing to the fact that the defendant was indeed a Tutsi and not a Hutu as he had thought all throughout his life. The defendant collapsed in court after finding out that he was in fact a Tutsi and not a Hutu. But it was too late. The said defendant had aided in killing well over 600 Tutsi only to find out that they where his own very blood.
Now back to you.
The white man has succeeded in large part to give the impression that Northwest and Southwest are suppose to be brothers simply because they were under the British protectorate. Big lie. Unfortunately many people are falling for that. The white man came and split families apart for their selfish aims and now "A Gorilla thinks he is a Monkey simply because they speak the white mans language (English)".
The SCNC or Southern Cameroon Movement is a remnant evidence of the divide and rule system that the white man brought to Africa and sadly enough, we are all falling for it.
It is a pity.

casara

7512wilson,
Boy i am sure you are one of the most un informed BOBANS.Are you really a BOBAN?
Man,your ideas make me laugh.You have been in this forum for a while now,i espect you give us back what you have gathered here in this forum.Or do you want to tell me that what you are talking about here are your foundings?
Boy go back and read the HIstory of the Southern Cameroons.Stop deceiving yourself.

Simplice,Grow up man.Remember you are very insignificant.There's nothing i can learn from you.If you want to know how much,and how i am struggling to remove La Republique out of The southern cameroons,join the Scnc or be a part of one of the groups,fellow.Don't seat at the fence,Bro.

7512wilson

Casara
You can either stay ignorant and subsequently die ignorant. "But make yu no talk se yu no be know". You probably know deep down in your guts that what i said about the Southern Cameroon is true but you are still in denial or in shock to find out the truth. Well, now you know the truth. Its your call.
We have one enemy and he lives in Etoudi. SCNC and all should stop fooling themselves and come together to get rid of the Coward in Etoudi. Stop being a victim of the "white man".
Thank you.

simplice

Mr Casara, hold yourself. Don't break loose this early.I don't judge on the credit of mere hypothesis. If you're doing something,as you high fluttedly propound, then let the forum know. What is your substance of this forum if you cannot match theory with practice?.
I don't need to be reminded I'm insignificant, I already know that only too well.Only I wish to appreciate from the credit of your pragmatic significance.
I'm cognizant, I got nothing to teach you; to that allegation, I plead guilty. But then, from your theoritical write-ups, what is your pragmatic credential?. Mr Casara, we dearly yearn to learn, but teach us practice along side theory; if not, how much of a teacher are you?.
You further, advocate anybody who wishes to know what you've done must join your movement. But my dear sir, what does it cost you, to tell the forum, some singular achievements entitled to your pragmatism?.
Your mentor and father of Rexonism on this forum long abondoned lampoon singing and has resorted to telling the forum what he is doing for the advancement of your movement. As a Rexonist herein, the forum without undue disregard, would like to examine your practical portfolio.
When Cameroun was in it's recent throes, with the Kumba crisis, ringing a bell of doom North,South and Centre, we expected you to grasp the opportunity and demontrate some patriotic ability. However, our despair peaked when Wilson, set the financial foundation for a liberation front. To this stratety, SCNC advocates whom the forum expected to rally behind such a historic gesture, went hidding in the shadows of history agenda and naysaying.
What we have consistently spelled out on this forum is the practical necessity of beefing your hypothesis, opinion and beliefs with some flesh of pragmatic evidence.
Gentleman, I remain very ignorant, very insignificant, but atleast know one thing;that to convince a man, you need to match "practical value will theoritical justification"(Karl M).
Happy New Year

TataIbue

7512Wilson,
I never thot i wud agree with a BOBAN on n e thing. Brother, u just wrote the coolest post so far. I'm not sure if i am puzzled/troubled by those same questions or i just flat out think the SCNC, SY ...woteva, are/is wolf in sheep's sap. In my lil retarded brain, i c them as another typical utopic african power hungry cult.

7512Wilson, i know we might disagree on this one,... i honestly don't think i am a citizen of an occupied country, 4 real! it's funny how, this group of former category A2 civil servants fall from grace and all of a sudden realise... o crap... we have to liberate SC.

Also very worrisome, is the fact that, these clowns a filing all kinds of civil suites around the world, based on the so called illegal handover of the SC region by the colonial powers, then, turn around and i dentify that region by the very name/names n structures put forth by these same colonial powers. just as much as they gaffed with respect to indegenous customs, thats thesame path these broke njangi house wants to lead people to. God no grin!

Who really gives a rat's behind if your president has a double P.hd in Galactic constitutional Law...? Huh!? Who!? He never opposed la republic, when he enjoyed weekly air time on the debate club and was the star of the Faculte...! Una don craze 4real.

Bring it on, fake separatist militants. Anoda phrase 4 chikins!!!!! Call me an agent of la republic, if u care.

fm

Good step forward. Perfect government now will be hard to come by. Something must start from somewhere by someone.

fm

People,
I support the restoration Government (irrespective of its form and content). My only concern now is to be sure that this is official and not a fake document.

1) Our struggle strongly needs some leadership through whom we can have coordinated efforts. At this stage of the struggle, we do not have to be so concern on who is what and where he comes from in order to lead us to freedom. The beginning in any revolution is always about who to lead and how involved and devoted the person is and not where he or she comes from. The "where somebody comes from” in this fight for the freedom of Soutern Cameroons does not have a place because we all come from Southern Cameroons period. Brothers and sisters of Southern Cameroons, let us not go into the intricacies of regional representations at this premature stage. Just as some are concerned about SW/NW composition of the government, others who are equally selfish and egoistic will talk about representations by divisions and even villages. Like Mr. Akwangar Ebenezer, Chairman of SCYL once said (in an SCNC-USA meeting) and I quote "at this stage of the struggle I do not care where a good fighter comes from in as mush as the fighter is committed and courageous enough to pursue the course of liberation and that the SCNC's idea of regional consideration in the position of the Chairman and vice chairman as well as the other posts is not relevant". This says it all. Why do we want to complain about trivial things when we have a complicated common enemy to fight? Biya has been succeeding in his divide and rule systema and why then do we want to give him that advantage to use us again?
Why do we want to revisit the old wounds of the 1950s and 1960s.Are we trying to confirm the claims by the British adm. then that we were not yet ripe for independence hence had to be forced to either to join Nigeria or LR? Even though our right to independence is total without any conditions whatsoever as stated in article 76b of the UN, such division and lack of a united front amongst us as Southern Cameroons will only show how unprepared we are to confirm the British Government's unconstitutional claim that "they are and will never be ripe for independence".

2) To succeed, we must learn to trust our leadership (be it him/her X or Y) and offer constructive criticism, appreciating efforts made by fellow members of southern Cameroons to push our struggle forward. Let us appreciate the effort of the people who even had to sit and spend their time to come out with the Restoration Government. Many of us are only destructive in our ideas and never creative or appreciative.

3) Talking about the fact that members were not consulted, I feel that this is another indication that the conceiver of this idea of a Restoration Government had nothing evil in his mind but good. The selected members should be honored to know that their work in the struggle is seen without them negotiating and campaigning for. That doesn't mean on the other hand that they should not have been consulted. For the sake of the intention behind this idea, again we should appreciate the effort. Instead of raising dust and advancing divisive comments, those privileged members of the Government who do not want to be our flag-bearers should reasonably decline while thanking the conceiver for honoring them.

Let us be one, committed, positive, supportive and hopeful.
Thanks

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