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Grass_field

Hello Emperor Paul B. I think you must be drinking Champaign now. However, I have a question for you and you’re MPs (who represented us???). Will your immunity (in Cameroon which can be changed by the next president) be also covered in the International Court of Justice? Maybe you should go to Den Hag and pass a new law to immunize you. I guess you are making a big mistake. Do not think that you can do whatever you want and go free. I feel so much pity for you and your family especially after your Emperorship ends. Re member that Bokassa could not last long after being crowned Almighty Emperor of RCA. Idi Amin Dada of Uganda also ended up badly. Think twice.

Tombele

My Bamenda people do not react to any provocations by those smelly cpdm thieves and their main pig biya. You have borne the brunt of biyas atrocities, let the rest of stupid cameroon take their share. Francophones have all the ministries and lucrative jobs, because of their time delay, they are only seeing what you told them donkey years ago, let them demonstrate and get killed and the Bamilekes who are laying back waiting for some body else to do the dirty work and save their billions. You either plan for an all out war or stay safe and start nothing. After everything is said and done you are given lengthier sentences than the rest of the country as shown by recent civil strife.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

So the SDF backed Biya's immunity and then when the bill was passed, some SDF MPs stormed out. Can the SDFers of this forum please explain to us the logic behind this move?

Atangana

Shantal, Frank, eyenga, Biya Junior and all of Biya's family should be given life imunity as well. Beware biya if you don't fix things here and now, life will be very uncomfortable for those mentioned above!! If we can't get you, your family will take the heat after you're gone. Biya, you still have a chance to make amends!!
As for the likes of Paul Nji Atanga, Ngolle Ngolle, etc prepare your places of exile because Cameroon will be too small to accommodate you with you patron gone. Achidi Achu is can be disregards because he will join the ancestors soon.
Fellow Cameroonians the revolution is comming soon.

simplice

Good USAfrica; this is the very first question I posed when this bill was amended. I wonder where Watesih is hidding. Fon just brushed aside the question. Now that you have resurfaced it; let SDFers enlighten the forum on the wisdom of backing part of a bill and then walking out when it is about to be passed.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Feli, where are you? the Watesihs and the Fons please clarify us. Don't do yourselves a disfavor by letting us jump into unfounded conclusions. Clarify this issue once and for all. Thanks

Ma Mary

There is a certain logic to the SDF moves. They mistakenly thought that the logic behind Annexationist Biya's drive to be ruler-for-life was merely to avoid prosecution for his too numerous to count crimes, therefore by removing such a threat, they could also remove his need to join his predecessor and mentor in Dakar.

They were wrong, like other Southern Cameroonians before them, who thought they could play and deceive those steeped in deception and injustice since birth.

Please, stop playing. Stop distracting Southern Cameroonians from their primary task and sacrificing them. Let the people who own their country do their own heavy lifting. This message is for the Frundistes and sundry SDFers.

Atangha

Dear All,
I've said it here over & over again that any objective thinking Cameroonian should NEVER base his/her information on what is said in newspapers. Unfortunately, most of us are not seeing the defence being put up by CPDM MPs as a justification of making Cameroon a repressive monarchy. These people know that they have committed treason on the people of Cameroon. They need to keep on "scape-goating" as a way of shrinking off the wrath awaiting them on the field. That said, exterminating a monarchy in Cameroon is the collective efforts of well-meaning Cameroonian, not just the efforts of the SDF. Moreover, fighting for the independence of SC has nothing to do with SDF politics. I think if I'm going to Mamfe via Kumba should not be a problem with some other person going to the same Mamfe via Bamenda. All we need is to reach Mamfe?

Here's what the SDF presented during that session:

Amendment No ...............................

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend The Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)

AMENDMENT N° 01
Tabled by
Hon Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Group

SECTION 6

Replace subsection 1 with the following new formulation: “
(1): The President of the Republic shall be elected through direct, equal and secret universal suffrage on a two-round majority ballot. The President shall be considered elected on the first round if a candidate obtains an absolute majority of the valid votes cast. If at the first round of ballot, no candidate obtains an absolute majority of the votes cast, a second round ballot shall be conducted from which shall be considered elected as President, the candidate who obtains a simple majority of the valid votes cast.

Only the first two candidates who obtained the highest number of the valid votes cast in the first round of ballot shall take part in the second round, conducted on the third Sunday following the date of proclamation of the results of the first round."

PURPORT

The first paragraph of the explanatory statement states clearly that the extensive institutional reform our country has embarked on is “to enable it better adapt to the exigencies of democracy and good governance.” Indeed many provisions of the Constitution of the Republic of Cameroon (law N° 96/06 of 18 January 1996) require slight modification to enable this fundamental law respond to the profound aspirations of Cameroonians and the establishment of a democratic basis for the institutions of Cameroon. For now and as the government has chosen to deal only with a few of its provisions including section 6, we equally believe strongly that the most vital stage in the life of a nation is the election of the President of the Republic. Having regard to the existence of over two hundred political parties, the election of the President of the Republic on a two-round majority ballot would avoid a President being elected, for example with 15% votes as against 85% of Cameroonians who might have voted against or simply abstained. This is the likely consequence of the existing provisions of section 6(1). A second round ballot would avoid major dissensions by way of alliances and consequently the harmonisation of programmes of government before and not after the election. So is proposal being made for the amendment of sections 6 (1).

Amendment No ...............................

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend The Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)

AMENDMENT N° 02
Tabled by
Hon. Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Parliamentary Group

SECTION 6

Suppress subsection 2 (new) and maintain subsection 2 (old)

PURPORT

We agree with the government that “the 1996 Constitution was designed and adopted in a quite particular post crises context”. Indeed, it would be recalled that in order to bring to an end the “ghost towns” and “ghost country”, the government convened a sort of Tri-partite forum that brought together all the meaningful forces of the Cameroonian body politic and that it was at this forum that it was resolved to carry out a constitutional revision and a committee was put in place to that effect. This committee however ran into difficulty, when there was total rejection of the examination of the Federal option and this led to the All Anglophone Conference which finally gave birth to a separatist movement that continues in existence to date. Peace was however re-established in Cameroon when Parliament finally adopted section 6(2) as this was condoned even by those who were against the “unitarist” position since it was generally assumed that whether the present regime under President Biya ruled well or badly, an opportunity would be given Cameroonians, at the worst after 14 years, to try some one else. Thus, section (2) constitutes in fact a solemn pact between the present Biya Regime and the Cameroonian people. To attempt to abrogate it unilaterally at this late stage is to perpetrate a fraud on the Cameroonian people and put in jeopardy the peace and stability we have so far enjoyed and which is a condition sine qua non for our economic development and progress. It also lends good ground and argument for separatist thought.

On purely democratic principles, it is common knowledge of our short experience that the incumbent President in Cameroon and elsewhere in Africa uses the governmental machinery for Campaign and the manoeuvre of elections, thus rendering it impossible the full expression of the sovereignty of the people. If such a provision does not exist, election of the President of the Republic will never be a true expression of the sovereign will of the Cameroonian people, which thus defeat the very fundamental tenet of democracy and the democratic alternation at the helm of the state. For these two and many other reasons we reject the attempt to amend section 6(2).


Amendment No ...............................

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008


___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend The Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)


AMENDMENT N° 03


Tabled by
Hon. Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Parliamentary Group

SECTION 6

In subsection 4, delete entirely the provisions of sub-paragraph(c)

PURPORT

There should be no circumstance in which the organisation of the Presidential election should require the amendment of the composition of the government. The provisions of sub-paragraph (c) traverse entirely the provisions of sub-paragraphs (a) & (b) of this sub-section. It gives room for an ambitious interim President to manipulate the electoral process in order to place himself or a crony of his, as Presidential candidate; whereas in fact this is the mischief which the provisions of sub-paragraphs (a) & (b) seek to remedy and avoid its occurrence.

Amendment No ...............................

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend The Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)


AMENDMENT N° 04


Tabled by
Hon. Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Parliamentary Group

ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL COUNCIL

SECTION 48

In subsection (1), replace the sentence: “It shall proclaim the results thereof” with “ It shall give a final ruling on the results as proclaimed by Elections Cameroon”

Insert a new paragraph which reads thus: [“Elections Cameroon” abbreviated “ELECAM” shall be in charge of the organisation, supervision and control of free, reliable, fair and transparent elections and the conduct of referendums. It shall proclaim the results thereof. Its organisation, functioning and composition shall be fixed by law.]


PURPORT

The fact that the government has brought an amendment relating to the Constitutional council gives us locus standi to propose any amendment thereof with the view to remedy the weaknesses that were, in the words of the explanatory statement, “very quickly shown” in the application of the 1996 constitution.

ELECAM, just like the defunct NEO anti-constitutional for neither section 48 nor any other constitutional provision provided for such an organ. All powers regarding the regularity and conduct of elections were vested in the Constitutional Council.

In order to render ELECAM constitutional and separate the functions pertaining to the Electoral Commission from the juridical functions of the Constitutional Council the above amendment becomes necessary.

Amendment No ...............................

THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008
___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend the Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)


AMENDMENT N° 05


Tabled by
Hon. Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Parliamentary Group

ON THE CONSTITUTIONAL COUNCIL

SECTION 51

Suppress subsection 1(new) and maintain subsection 1(old)


PURPORT


In accordance with the provisions of subsection 2, the members of the Constitutional Council are appointed by the President of the Republic.

Firstly, the President of the Republic has the direct right to designate three, and indirectly to designate six through the majority he wills in the National Assembly and the Senate and finally the two others through the Higher Judicial Council to which he is the Chairman. Thus, the incumbent President, while he is in his sixth (6) year of office, would organise the appointment of members of the Constitutional Council who will act in his favour in “ensuring the regularity of elections”.

Secondly, there is no state institution that has a term of six years. The National Assembly and the Senate both have a term of five (5) years each. Regional and Local Councils have a term of Five (5) years respectively. The President of the Republic has a term of seven (7) years.

In conclusion, the proposal to amend this subsection is backed by malice and bad faith. The reasons given in the explanatory statement are fallacious.


Amendment No ...............................


THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008

___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend the Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)

AMENDMENT N° 06

Tabled by
Hon. Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Parliamentary Group

ON THE COURT OF IMPEACHMENT

SECTION 53

In subsection 2, replace the expression “open ballot” with “secret ballot” and the expression “four-fifth” with “two-thirds”


PURPORT

The impeachment of the President of the Republic is a serious matter and must not be left to be influenced by the fact that the vote is open as to enable some of the voters to be influenced or intimidated by the voting pattern of some other voters and thus cause them not to vote according to their consciences.

A four-fifth majority stifles completely any possibility of ever impeaching a President of the Republic for this tantamount to a unanimous decision. The special majority found in our politico-legal arsenal is “two-thirds majority” and this should equally apply in this regard.

Amendment No ...............................


THE NATIONAL ASSEMBLY
MARCH 7, 2008

___________________________________________________________________________
Bill to Amend and Supplement some Provisions of Law N° 96/ of 18 January 1996 to Amend the Constitution of 2 June 1972 (No819/PJL/AN)

AMENDMENT N° 07

Tabled by
Hon. Mbah-Ndam and the Members of the SDF Parliamentary Group

ON THE TRANSITIONAL AND FINAL PROVISIONS

SECTION 67

Suppress and delete entirely this addition of a new provision named as subsection (6).


PURPORT

This new proposal contradicts in its entirety, the provisions of section 20 of this very 1996 constitution which provides that “the senate shall represent the regional and local authorities”. There should be no reason for attempting to put in place the Senate before the regions. We have waited since 1996 to date with neither the Regions nor the Senate being put in place. We can as well wait for another considerable time to see the regions put in place for the electoral college of Senators to be constituted. Moreover, Senators elected only by local councillors cannot purport to be representatives of a region. This is an incongruity that does not augur well, having regard to the basic tenets of the 1996 constitution that lay emphasis on decentralisation.

PRELIMNARY OBJECTION PRESENTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PROVISIONS OF SECTION 46 OF THE STANDING ORDERS


BY

HON. JOSEPH BANADZEM,
AND
MEMBERS OF THE SDF PARLIAMENTARY GROUP.


Yaounde 10th April 2008


Mr Speaker,
Dear colleagues,

I have just realised from the report that has just been presented to us that the bill which was discussed in the Constitutional Laws committee is not the bill that was declared admissible by the Chairmen’s conference to which I am member and distributed to us here in plenary. As a matter of fact, the bill we received in the Chairmen’s conference and distributed to us stated in its explanatory statement that; and I quote

“ …. However, in its application, the 1996 constitution, which was designed and adopted in a quite particular post-crises context, very quickly showed some weaknesses. This bill seeks to remedy these weaknesses by amending Articles 6, 14, 15, 51, 53 and 67 of the constitution as follows”

Also, the bill itself in section 1 stated that: and I quote;

“The provisions of Articles 6, 14, 15, 51, 53 and 67 of law N° 96/6 of 18 January 1996 to amend the Constitution of 2 June 1972 are amended and supplemented as follows….”

In my humble understanding and to the understanding of all the members of the SDF Parliamentary Group and I believe, to the understanding of all the Parliamentarians, this meant that all the provisions of articles 6, 14, 15, 51, 53 and 67 of the Constitution in their entirety were subject to amendment, given thus the possibility for members of parliament to present amendments where the government did not propose. And so were amendments made by the SDF Parliamentary Group and many other members of Parliament across the board in respect of subsection (1) of Article 6 to institute a two round ballot for Presidential Elections, and in respect of several other subsections of the above articles. I am informed and as we have heard from the report that when the Committee on Constitutional laws met to examine the bill, the Minister of State, Minister of Territorial Administration and Decentralisation made two amendments to the explanatory statement and these had nothing at all to do with what I am going to say hereunder.

So, debate on the explanatory statement as required by the standing orders was pursued right to its logical conclusion. But as this was going on, the Minister seemed to have taken cognisance of all the amendments submitted and so when debate on the explanatory statement was declared closed by the chairman of the committee and debate opened on the two sections of the bill, the Minister took the floor and proposed amendments to section one (1)of the bill limiting the possibility for discussion only to some subsections of the articles submitted to us for study and amendment thereby changing entirely the content and purport of the bill that was tabled and distributed to us here in plenary. This gave no possibility for members of the Chairmen’s conference to pronounce on the admissibility of the bill in its new form and for those of us who were not members of the Constitutional laws committee to take cognisance of the said new bill and to act in consequence. This new bill cannot therefore, in our humble belief, be discussed here and consequently must go through the chairmen’s conference for admissibility and distributed in plenary, if at all it is declared admissible. On this ground, the present debate cannot take place and since we are going to vote on this preliminary objection as the standing orders require, if the majority, in spite of this illegality vote for debate to go on, then you can count me and members of the Parliamentary group of the SDF out.

Secondly, in respect of subsection 2 of Article 6, our amendment was to the effect that the present constitutional dispensation cannot be changed having regard to the following facts:

 It would be recalled that in order to bring to an end the “ghost towns” and “ghost country”, the government convened a sort of Tri-partite forum in 1991 that brought together all the meaningful forces of the Cameroonian body politic and that it was at this forum that it was resolved to carry out a constitutional revision and a committee was put in place to that effect. This committee however ran into difficulty, when there was total rejection of the examination of the Federal option and this led to the All Anglophone Conference which finally gave birth to a separatist movement that continues in existence to date. Thus, any amendment that does not take into account this prevailing malaise that threatens the unity of our country is unacceptable for; this manner of proceeding lays good ground for continuous and ever increasing separatist thought.

 The “unitarist” faction of the committee pursued work on revision and submitted it to review by the Cameroonian people through what came to be known as “grand or large debat”. During this country-wide consultation that was carried out through written proposals, telephone calls and faxes, section 6(2) was crystallised and made public. Peace was thus re-established in Cameroon when Parliament finally adopted this section 6(2) as it was condoned even by those who were against the “unitarist” position since it was generally assumed that whether the present regime under President Biya ruled well or badly, an opportunity would be given Cameroonians, at the worst 14 years later, to try some one else. Thus, section 6(2) constitutes in fact a solemn pact between the present Biya Regime and the Cameroonian people. To attempt to abrogate it unilaterally at this late stage is to perpetrate a fraud on the Cameroonian people and put in jeopardy the peace and stability we have so far enjoyed and which is a condition sine qua non for our economic development and progress. The amendment of this section and many others in the 1996 constitution calls for the convening of a Constitutional Conference to review the whole constitution and its conclusions presented for adoption by Parliament or through a referendum.

Moreover, on purely democratic principles, it is common knowledge of our short experience that incumbent Presidents in Africa use the governmental machinery for Campaign and the manoeuvre of elections, thus rendering it impossible the full expression of the sovereignty of the people. If such a provision limiting the number of times an incumbent president is eligible does not exist, election of the President of the Republic will never be a true expression of the sovereign will of the Cameroonian people, which thus defeat the very fundamental tenet of democracy and the democratic alternation at the helm of the state.

For these and many other reasons we reject the attempt to amend section 6(2). We will therefore not participate in this fraud on the Cameroonian people if the majority votes that debate should proceed on this new bill as now presented by the report. And I submit accordingly.

Thank you for your patience and keen attention.

Atangha

Dear All,
I've said it here over & over that any objective thinking Cameroonian should NEVER base his/her information on what is said in newspapers. Unfortunately most of us are not seeing the defence being put up by CPDM MPs as a justification of making Cameroon a repressive monarchy. These people know that they have committed treason on the people of Cameroon. They need to keep "scape-goating" as a way of shrinking off the wrath awaiting them on the field. That said, exterminating a monarchy in Cameroon is the collective efforts of well-meaning Cameroonian, not just the efforts of the SDF.

Will write more in course of the week.

Cheers,
Atangha

chopfire

Thanks Mr Atangha for the clue, but if in trying to answer the compressed question from Simplice and USofA you present a summarized summary of the summary above i will be grateful.

Kumbaboy

We challenge the World's only "Life President Biya" to visit abroad again, particularly Gt. Britain or North America for a good welcome!

Africa once had a village tyrant in Idi Amin.

Now, we begin a new century with a jungle tyrant in Yaounde. Expect the Hoffington column to raise our Life President's status amongst the World's worst dictators.

simplice

Mr Chopfire; that was absolutely brilliant, very thoughtful of you. Atangha should give us a summary with respect to our preoccupations. We all read the antiquated write-up he has posted before posing our curiousities.
Mr Atangha, please set the records straight.

simplice

Ma Mary, that analyses of yours is also laudable: "SCNC wisdom for an SDF taboo". Can an SDFer here challenge the assertion of Ma Mary?.
Waiting.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Simplice,
can you please tell me what is laudable about Ma Mary's analysis. I might be just plain stupid but calling on all Southern Cameroonians to ignore this crisis is not laudable. First of all, she is an ardent activist for the SCNC whose main aim is to liberate Southern Cameroons from the pangs of La Republique and establish a democratic state for Southern Cameroons.

How in heavens can you achieve this goal without getting involved in the political crisis in Cameroon? how can the SCNC achieve their goals if they choose to ignore the ramblings of the Biya regime? or does Ma Mary think that Southern Cameroons will miraculously escape the union with "La Republique" without direct confrontations with the government at ETOUDI? did Eritrea break free from Ethipia without direct confrontation with the Ethiopian government? did Kosovo declare its independence without directly confronting the Serbian government?

Simplice, in my point of view, Ma Mary's analysis is not laudable, it is laughable. Sometimes I wonder how old these so-called "SCNC intellectuals" are and how their brains really functions. You can't drive a car without learning how to drive. In the same light, you can't have a child without intercourse, just ask Dannyboy and he will tell you.

Atangha

Simplice,
I think I've given you all what the SDF did during the last parliamentary session. Every should read & make his/her own summary.

In life & also in politics, I HATE blackmail, cacophony & scape-goatism. Worse still, I resent "debat contradictoire" - a politics practiced in Cameroon & most parts of Francophone Africa whereby, whatever you say, even if it's better than what I proposed, I should refuse because it's from "les opposants". Unfortunately, this is being used by the oppresive king of the Cameroons & a good number of well-meaning Camerounais & Cameroonians. Our supposed division & diversion legitimise what Jacques Chirac once said that Africans are not yet ripe for democracy. What we're saying is that the SDF & other forces of change are for genuine democracy; we can only achieve this if the SCNC stay focus on her objectives. The SDF is entirely focussed on ending biyamocracy & will from time to time use every legitimate & democratic opening to press her course. I think the SCNC should do same. She should NOT abandone her course to the SDF and vice versa.

With the "antiquated write-up" Simplice, what else should I say, since it appears that you guys already know everything? In other words, whatever I say will mean nothing to you people!

On the other hand, whether SDF was for Biya's "immunity" or not, I'm sure you people now know that no "i" was dotted or "t" crossed from the bill sent by the presidency. King Biya finally declared Cameroon a kingdom on 14 April 2008.

Whether we're SCNC or SDF, I think Biya & his cronies should be our target. If his misrule is terminated, all Camerounais & Cameroonians will breathe a sigh of relief. Besides, there're a lot S. Cameroonians who're in the CPDM, but, they SCNC is not talking about them. What is your problem with the SDF?

Simplice, am I now in order, the way you guys want?

Cheers,
Atangha

rexon

What is happening in La Republique is just a tip of the iceberg. He would live by tricks would be killed by tricks. La Republiquans thought they could pretend that there is peace in Cameroun while citizens of the Southern Cameroons are under subjugation and pains which have been the case over many generations. Now the whole world have given them a real dictator and unquestionable psychopath. They too are in pains and i hope they understand how we have been feeling in more than 40 years of untold slavery.

There is still worse to come. It was in this same parliament that the laws to take over the remaining sovereignty of the Southern Cameroonian people was announced after the Foumban charades, it was in this same parliament that the SDF was destroyed and wiped out as it worked to colour this inexistant democracy. Lots of things have happened in this same parliament. Above all, it is a historic site. We do not need to get ourselves fully engaged in this, except La Republiquans first ask our parliamentarians who have been bribed to colour their democracy to leave for their country. If they keep fighting Biya without telling those fools to go back to their country, the good lord will never listen to their hypocritical requests. Regime change in La Republique will not be of any use to the people of the Southern Cameroons. This is because, successive regimes of La Republique have always been more or less interested in subjugating the people of the Southern Cameroons for the benefit of its citizens.

simplice

USAfrica, this is this sentence I deemed as wisely reflected in Ma Mary's write-up:
"
There is a certain logic to the SDF moves. They mistakenly thought that the logic behind Annexationist Biya's drive to be ruler-for-life was merely to avoid prosecution for his too numerous to count crimes, therefore by removing such a threat, they could also remove his need to join his predecessor and mentor in Dakar

UnitedstatesofAfrica

atangha,

Spare us the intellectual masturbation and answer the damn question. The question was that why did the SDF back Biya's immunity but when the bill was passed in parliament, SDF Mps stormed out. Seems contradictory to me. I have my own explanation to this logic but I'm not a member of the SDF party so I might just be speculating. I want to get a response from an actual SDF supporter and sympathizer. I am waiting for an answer and thanks for your cooperation.

simplice

Mr Atangha: so this ur explanation of the matter:
"On the other hand, whether SDF was for Biya's "immunity" or not, I'm sure you people now know that no "i" was dotted or "t" crossed from the bill sent by the presidency. King Biya finally declared Cameroon a kingdom on 14 April 2008." by Atangha
So your are professing the SDF should not be blamed for given consent to Section 5(3)?
For this is what I understand from your write-up. Does someone on the forum see clearer?

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Simplice,

My apologies for the misunderstanding. The statement is indeed laudable. I have a similar speculation but I want an SDFer to tell us their reason behind backing Biya's immunity and then storming out when the bill was passed.

I still think that Ma Mary's notion of Southern Cameroons staying away from Political chaos in Cameroon is still ridiculous and laughable. The SCNC can never achieve its aims if they don't get involved with politics in Cameroon.

Ma Mary

Simple declarative statements mean nothing, US Minnesota. You froggies should carry your own weight for a change.

simplice

Ma Mary on this forum; "every whispered gossip counts".

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Ma Mary, let's not resort to insults just yet. Can you please logically explain to me how you expect your pressure group aka SCNC, to achieve its goals without getting involved in Cameroon politics. Do you think that by calling on Southern Cameroons to ignore the political chaos in Cameroon, the SCNC can achieve its goals? Please let your answer be concise and void of political jargon and malapropism. I know this will be hard because political jargon and malapropism are your best tools. However, just try to be as clear and concise as possible. Thanks for cooperating and I am waiting for an answer.

Atangha, I am still waiting for your answer too.

Grass_field

It is interesting to know that all Cameroonians Anglophones and Francophones are equally touched and having the same plans. TO KILL THOSE CAUSING SUFFERING TO CAMEROONIANS!! I hope those in power are thinking twice.
Please read this Francophone forum i.e. if you can read French. Some comments are in English

http://www.bonaberi.com/artdist.php?aid=4082

rexon

UnitedStatesofAfrica,

The logic is clear: Henry Fonlon tried and failed woefully, Mukong then came a decade after and created the SDF and failed woefully, NJFN tried and failed woefully. Now, the wise group, Feko, Nfor Ngalla, Chief Ayamba, Carlson Anyangwe, Mola Litumbe, Luma, all left and said enough is enough.

Within Camerounese politics, Professor Fonlon started warning us as early as 1963 and finally left the scene for exile to Canada in 1984, creating Ambazonia republic and as appelation to different our country from the erstwhile southern parts of La Republique (centre, South and eastern provinces) Mukong created the SDF thinking that he could bring democracy from within Camerounese politics, split the damn thing and leave everybody peacefully, he too failed and died in exile in London, NJFN and his SDF tried and turn to bribes from PMUC and the regime after he realised that he has failed woefully in his attempt to govern a foreign country. Now he has been chopping poisonous money and this money has been giving him sleepless nights.

My good friend United States of Africa, Dont get some of us wrong. We are more than interested in promoting democracy in the whole of Africa (La Republique included). But not at the expense of the freedom of the people of the Southern Cameroons. I (like most SCNC activists) are African nationalists interested more or less in promoting transparency and good governance in the whole of Black Africa. Let La Republique fight its fight, we would help them. Let us also fight our fight, they should help us. It cannot be the other way round as succesive regimes of La Republique have held to the popular believes that Southern Cameroonians are more or less slaves. Now that Biya is pinching them, i hope they too feel the pain we have been feeling over many generations and let us go.

Thank you.

Atangha

Dear All,
As far as I know the SDF MPs NEVER consented to Biya's "immunity" as reported by this newspaper. The portion of the said article was a figment of the imagination of the reporter. Furthermore, I don't take pleasure in intellectual masturbation or any form of masturbation. If you guys don't believe me, there're a lot sources of information, not necessarily newspapers. Knowing Cameroon journalists, I'll NEVER base my judgements on serious issues concerning our country on newspaper reports of internet blogs.

By the way, if SDF MPs never participated in the Constitutional Law Committe, a lot CPDM folks and their allies would have said if they participated, some of their ideas should have been taken into consideration.

So, my dear Cameroonians, change in Cameroon today is more sought for, than trying to chase the shadow while the substance is there staring at us.

So, shall we now focus on ending the "United Kingdom of Cameroon" or keep talking about things that will NEVER move the democratic struggle forward? This is my preoccupation.

Thanks,

Atangha

mk the southerner

US of Africa, Some times you make me see the importance of studying history. You can not tell me that Southern Cameroonians should keep playing La Repoblique's politics as a means of freeing themselves. History tells us of how our parents of good faith walked out of the eastern regional house of assembly in Enogu Nigeria. They stopped playing the Nigerian politics, as they came to realise that they did not belong. What was the resold? we gained a quasi status. If they had kept on playing or dancing the same dance like what Fru and his greedy MP's are doing now, we will never had mad it.

Look we have been crying in La Repoblique for long. infarct we have been crying more than the bereaved. It is time that has to stop let the frogs cry their dead. For we now have ours to cry. We have always saved as eye openers to them and we have ended up being the casualty and that too has to stop. We dont want to lost any life a gain for NOTHING.

mk the southerner

Look at the statistics from the latest strike action in the Cameroons. Those who are identified as Anglophones are spending more jail sentences than Francophones. Especially if you are unlucky to come from the North West, which they call the house of Ni John. The question now is. Is this really our country?

Ma Mary

Unted States of Manketo, M, there is no better proof that you are just a Camerounese who went to Sasse than your assertion that Southern Cameroonians should sacrifice their lives for a fight that is not theirs. If the Frundistes have not learned the futility of their quest for poeer in Etoudi, one could only regret.

one cameroon

Is this all you guys can offer in this forum? trying to pick point the flaws of others.Then i am highly dissappointed. i have noticed certain people in the forum are only trying to show how intelligent they are, they're not giving any important contribution but are damning the contributions of others.I thought by now we would have gotten a well organised action plan but like the Cameroonians Biya knows we are , we are just arguing over petty comments. What if the Sdf supported the amendment is it a must that only the Sdf can effect change in Camerooon? It is high time we stop looking at what others did not do and do what we are supposed to do.Please lets be constructive here and stop being destructive.
About the immunity of the president i don't think it is something linked only to biya.It is for Cameroon's president be it biya or whoever. i think this is the case in many countries and has been the case in Cameroon that is why we are only waiting fore biya to leave power before we judge him on his deeds. OR am i wrong?
LETS CONTINUE THINKING OF WHAT WE CAN DO TO RESCUE OUR BELOVED COUNTRY AND FORGET ABOUT THE FLAWS OF A POLITICAL PARTY.
PEACE.

simplice

"Dear All,
As far as I know the SDF MPs NEVER consented to Biya's "immunity" as reported by this newspaper" by Atangha

This is serious Atangha, please could you disclose to the forum the source of your information that vindicates above unpopular sentiment?.

simplice

Mr One Cameroon, thanks for the counsel:though....

mk the southerner

Dear Compatriots,

Accept patriotic greetings in the name of our legitimate struggle for freedom,
justice and sovereign independence for our Fatherland.

May 20, 2008, the Day of National Mourning, is around the corner. It is therefore pertinent that ground work is put in place for result-oriented action. May 20th is a black day in the history of Southern Cameroons, as a nation, and Southern Cameroonians , as a people in international law and politics.

1. COMMEMORATING THE DAY
As usual, all Southern Cameroonians , wherever found on this planet earth and beyond, shall:
a) solemnly observe this day of National Mourning from 6am -6pm.
b) be dressed in black
c) abstain from work and any kind of merry- making
d) at 12 noon solemnly stand for one minute of silence in honour of all compatriots
murdered by the wicked bullet of the Yaoundé annexation regime.

2. SOLEMN PEACEFUL PROTESTS

All Southern Cameroonians in the Diaspora shall carry out solemn peaceful protests before Embassy of La Republique du Cameroun in the host Country.
For this to have an impact and lasting effect;
- Sensitisation and effective mobilisation for massive attendance should start today
- The press should be contacted to cover. Any protest or demonstration without the press to cover and enlighten the public is of no effect.
- There should be clear and precise messages and some pictures of atrocities on placards.
- There should equally be hand bills to be distributed to any onlooker and the press.

3. MESSAGES SHOULD;
- Call on La Republique du Cameroun to withdraw its proconsuls and occupation forces.
- Call on La Republique gendarmes, police and soldiers to stop murdering peace-loving British
Southern Cameroonians .
- Call on Fru Ndi and remnanants of SDF MPs to read the handwriting on the wall now.
- Call on Hon Barrister Paul Ayah and Joseph Banadzem to lead all British Southern
Cameroons MPs out of La Republique National Assembly back to Buea.
- Call on the UN and International Community to intervene now to avert Rwandan-type
- genocide in the Cameroons .
- Call for the release of Simon Ngek and his colleagues in the Bamenda Central Prison and all
- other Southern Cameroons political prisoners languishing for standing up for their rights.

OTHER MESSAGES SHOULD INCLUDE
- NO TO ANNEXATION; NO TO COLONIAL OCCUPATION!!
- NO TO NEO-APARTHEID! NO TO NEO IMPERIALISM!!
- BRITISH SOUTHERN CAMEROONS IS NOT FOR SALE !
- PARTY POLITICS NOW IS TREACHARY!
- FREEDOM AND INDEPENDENCE IS OUR RIGHT!
- LA REPUBLIQUE HANDS OFF BRITISH SOUTHERN CAMEROONS !

SCNC STRUCTURES
ALL SCNC structures at home and abroad shall lead in mobilising all Southern Cameroonians for a successful solemn commemoration. May 20th is the day on which the final nail was put on the coffin of annexation and British Southern Cameroons as a distinct legal and political entity ceased being. As patriots fighting for our freedom and independence, we must ALL BE ONE AND CRY WITH ONE VOICE.
All SCNC structures in the Fatherland should intensify their efforts to rally all our people for this day of NATIONAL MOURNING. To be indifferent is to identify with the enemy, La Republique du Cameroun.
Silent genocide in British Southern Cameroons must end.

Long live the right to Self Determination
Long live Freedom and Democracy
Long live a free and sovereign Southern Cameroons .

For the Southern Cameroonian people,

Nfor, Ngala Nfor
National vice and chairman, and
Chair, foreign Affairs commission{SCNC}

simplice

"- Call on the UN and International Community to intervene now to avert Rwandan-type
- genocide in the Cameroons " by Nfor Ngale Nfor

May I inquire after if , the "Force of Arguement" has become the "Arguement of Force"?. Can some SCNC activist, elucidate this to the forum?

mk the southerner

Simplice,

What we are telling the world like we did few days ago at the EU is that the youths are getting faith up with diplomacy. We told them that some youths hold it that the international organisation knows only one language and it is that of the gun. To this effect we are telling the UN to address the urgencies of now or expresses her regrets tomorrow like they did during the Rwandan genocide.

For this reason I wish too to inform all Southern Cameroonians that we are in the middle of an ocean and we cant swim, lets stop worrying about those who are in the middle of a swimming pool and cant swim. Lets come together and see how we are going to get out of this mess. I tell all of you if just attain just one meeting at the European parliament on the Southern Camerrons issue, then you will see that we are the once delaying our course.

Abdou

Thanks for the SCNC campaign. We will keep the rendez-vous.

rexon

It is clear that we are more than interested in helping promote democracy all over Africa and even in La Republique. However, we are left perplexed as to why some Southern Cameroonians would be more interested in talking democracy in Camerounese politics and not the freedom and democracy of the people of the Southern Cameroons. A case in point is all those who have passed around for SDF stalwarts in this forum. They always want to silence Southern Cameroonians and force them not to talk about their own freedom but only the freedom of the people of La Republique. That can't work, never ever will i substitute my freedom and the freedom of my people to the freedom of another man. One lesson to learn: I hope those feeling the pinch of Biya's autocracy should understand how we have been feeling living under subjugation over many generations. Imagine educated Southern Cameroonians roaming the streets of several African countries simply because their country have been colonised by some bunch of terrorists. We want to manage our own affairs and want our freedom. Lets dont get confused between our freedom and regime change in La Republique. Those are two contrasting and not complementary problems: Esspecially when being fronted by some confused Southern Cameroonians. Succesive regimes of La Republique have never defended the rights of the Southern Cameroonian people. Scholarships, development grants, etc have always been directed to their own projects. Why fooling ourselves and fumbling everytime? We need our own government, that wont deprive us from our rights to travel through several of La Republiques provinces when going from one part of the Southern Cameroons to the other. Why not talk more about our independence? Why spend time talking about the problems of a foreign country? Fonlon did warned us about four decades ago in most of his early works.

simplice

" We need our own government, that wont deprive us from our rights to travel through several of La Republiques provinces when going from one part of the Southern Cameroons to the other. Why not talk more about our independence? " by Rexon

Please Mr Rexon, I don't understand the wisdom behind afore hypothesis. Could you tell the forum whether is it:
1) Wishful Thinking
2) A calculated Risk
3) Or an arrangement between La Replublique and "to be Southern Cameroons".
I think, most forumites should be curious to have some idea:for it is very serious declaration.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

To Ma Mary and Rexon,

we get your point. The SCNC is not interested in getting involved with the politics of Camerron. We get it.

Now, since you don't want to dabble in Cameroon politics, can you kindly leave this debate? since you have no interest in debating in Cameroon politics, please leave this forum immediately. This is an article about Cameroon politics so do not contradict yourself by commenting on a debate about Cameroon politics. Thank you and bye bye!

rexon

Simplice,

U know that that was a technical error. It should read as the opposite. That we need a government that would not deprive us of our right to travel from Limbe to Bamenda via Widikum.

United States of Minnesotta,

Why are u scared? La Republiques newspaper is icicemac and camerooninfonet. If you want us out, you should go there also. We have respected your human right to be here, why do you want to take away ours?


Thanks.

TAGRO

COMEBACK HOME SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS IN LFEC
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ALL SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS MUST IMMEDIATELY LEAVE OR START PREPARING TO LEAVE LA REPUBLIQUE ESCLAVISTE FRANCAISE DU CAMEROUN AND LET THE CAMEROUNESE AND THEIR FRENCH MASTERS DEAL WITH THIER PROBLEMS IN THE WAY PROBLEMS ARE USUALLY DEALT WITH IN FRANCAFRIQUE: GENOCIDE. THE MFOUNDI ELITES HAVE ALREADY CAUTIONED THEM.
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De sa cellule Abah Abah contre-attaque.Une diffusion de Satellite FM très tôt ce matin, une radio du groupe Anecdote qui émet en modulation de fréquence à Yaoundé, a fait état d'une sommation adressée au Président de la République du Cameroun, Paul Biya par l'ancien ministre des finances Polycarpe ABAH ABAH actuellement detenu a la prison centrale de Yaoundé -Kodengui. Ce dernier demande urgemment au président Paul Biya d'arrêter toutes les poursuites engagées contre lui. D'après cette Radio, le client de l'opération épervier promet de mettre le Cameroun à feu et à sang si les poursuites intentées contre lui ne sont pas abandonnées.

Cette information a été aussi relayée par la Radio Tiemeni Siantou.De quelle force de frappe détient Abah Abah. Peut-il rellement menacer Paul Biya! En sait-il trop! Bleuf ou réelle menace l'avenir nous le dira.
Des rumeurs ont souvent circulé selon lesquelles de nombreux détourneurs des derniers publics détiennent un cousin financier qui leur permettraient non seulement de lever une bonne milice armée, mais aussi de mettre le Cameroun à feu! Est-ce le cas de cet ancien ministre des finances qui depuis son limogeage s'était inscrit à l' Université catholique de l'Afrique centrale à Yaoundé pour y suivre des cours de theologie!

©Icicemac et correspondant à Yaoundé


UnitedstatesofAfrica

Rexon,

but you say you don't want to get involved with Cameroon politics. If so, why are you then debating and arguing about Cameroon politics? why are you contradicting yourself? the SCNC has a few badly-constructed sites out there with blurred graphics. I am sure you can galvanize your supporters and create a forum on one of those sites. You can go now. Bye Bye

mk the southerner

US of what?. Last time I thought that it was because you did not do history, but this time I see that the problem is even far beyond, because you are also blind.

Look very well at the post web sit and tell me where the post is situated. Then tell me where La Repoblique and the Southern Cameroons are situated. The post identifies it's self in West Africa, is La Repoblique Du Cameroun in West Africa? So tell me who should better send who away from here?

We are contributing here not only because the topic is of the frog's politics, but because the frogs are the vampire sucking us. More so this post speaks English and our brothers contribute in it. So we have it as our duty to let our brothers who have not yet seen to see, and if you are one I do pray you see. But if not cross your fingers grind you teeth.

We have said it and we will continuer saying it Paul Biya can be there for ever it is not any of our concern any more. We have our own fight to fight. The EU is examining how much is spent in the Southern Cameroons from the EU grands to the Cameroons every year ( this started four months ago after are last meeting). It is a steep for us. We are fighting our fight so fight yours.

Neba Fuh

Reduced Jail Terms For Suicide Embezzlers

Jail sentences of previously convicted 'suicide embezzlers' are being reduced, on condition that they pay back a greater chunk of the money embezzled. The latest case is the ruling by the Appeal court on the Ondo Ndong case. We had earlier suggested such a move but criticism poured in tagging us as 'sympathizing with the regime and embezzlers'. The idea was to emphasize the better option of reclaiming the people's money from these bandits. The latest move by the regime to pursue this option was not unexpected. The recent civil servants' salary adjustments ,while ignoring this year's budget with regards to expenditure and revenue was precipitated as far as this regime is concern, in order to manipulate the constitution to allow Biya to rule till death. Now the regime is going back into its embezzlement reserves to foot its bills-the salary adjustments. Billions are needed. The embezzled money has to be recovered-those hoarded by those embezzlers still enjoying illegitimate liberty, as well as, those patronizing the prison premises of Kondengui.

The question is: Who will manage the recovered funds, if ever they are recovered?? These same thieves??

Jail term for Ondo Ndong and Co. reduced

By Pamela Bidjocka,

17/04/2008: The former General Manager of FEICOM Emmanuel Gerald Ondo Ndong who was jailed to 50year term for embezzlement was in court again yesterday.

The Appeal Court in Yaounde has revised this ruling. According to yesterday’s verdict, the former General Manager of FEICOM shall serve a twenty year jail term instead of the initial fifty years. Jail terms for his co-accusers have also been reduced.

The reduction is however, accompanied by a clause; from the initial three billion five hundred thousands francs to be paid as damages, the culprits shall now be required to pay twenty six billion franc CFA.

It is also important to state that Edjang Marie Carine, Ngo Bayanag, Etoga Marie–Gabriel that were earlier acquitted have now been found guilty of complicity in the embezzlement of state funds.

Some property of Ondo Ndong that had been confiscated by the court where returned. According to the presiding judge, these possessions were returned on grounds that they were acquired before the act of embezzlement was committed.

The current ruling seem have been guided by popular opinion; a good percentage of the Cameroonian population prefer to have the embezzled money refunded than to have convicted embezzlers serve long jail terms with the money in their possession.

The Ondo Ndong affair is one of the high profiled cases in recent times. Observers say the convictions seem to demonstrate President Paul Biya’s determination to fight embezzlement and corruption in Cameroon.

check out www.nebafuh.com for more!!

chopfire

Mr,Nebafuh, what message are you passing here?
I dont get any news, just same storries

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