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Mvongo

Mr. Ntumfor, nobody would doubt the fact that you are one of the greatest sons of Cameroon. Posterity would account for this. Your intelligence and sense of fair play is beyond measure. However, a bit of humility and down to earth behavior would serve you well. Mind my words.

Fonngang

What are the goals and objectives of this NOWEFO? For any answer to be meaningful I would like some tangible achievements to be quoted by this organisation.
Then in comes the so called Ntumfor, who is member of a fraudulent, government contraption called electoral commision. How could any honest person accept serve in such an organisation and be considered a greatman? Ofcourse greatness in Cameroon comes when appointed by the very devil we call a president Biya. How some Cameroonians with a straight face could have the nerve to hate the master and appreciate his loyal servant is beyond my comprehension. This attitude is common with Anglophones who alawys try to cry foul when one of theirs is accused of corruption. In Cameroon it is alright for francophones to be considered corrupt but not Anglophones. Most intriguingly, gossips about who has done this or that is always rife until an arrest is made. JB Nde is free now. Maybe he is actually a clean person but today we all know he is just one of the corrupt persons. When he is accused and arrested The Post as usual will immediately start writing of victimisation. How can we make any progress with falsehood, nepotism, bias, and plain dishonesty? It is hard to ignore the unfair treatment from the francophone govrnment of Cameroon but at the same time we must accept the fact that we are too uncommitted to win any struggle against them. They seem to know that vry well.

Essono

Fonngang,

Yes,NOWEFU is generally a moribond institution which some self-serving Fons have instrumentalised to execute their egoistic agendas.I believe it has drifted from its primordial ideal and has become a platform for political racketeering.NOWEFU, is an umbrella organisation whose main goal is to unite and to instill a spirit of unity amongst the traditional rulers of the North West province,to enhance dialogue amonsgt them so that together they can achieve their common objectives and that of their peoples.

Though the achievements of NOWEFU have been generally mitigated since its creation,we cannot downplay the very crucial and important role NOWEFU has played and continues to play in the resolution of the numerous inter tribal conflicts in the NW province.

As for Nico Halle,the man whom I know personally and for whom many people would vouch for him anywhere,anytime I would say categorically that he's a great man.Though many would not share his political leanings,the fact remains that he's a man of great moral integrity,seasoned Lawyer,socialite and most importantly a great servant of the people.

The fact that we oppose the regime and all it stands for shouldn't make us blind to the fact that there are well intentioned people who put themselves at the service of the people everyday.And Nico halle is one of them.There was a great man at another time,Bernard Fonlon.He was known for his straight and candid talk,a man of saintly morality and he was a member of the politbureau of the CNU.Pundits criticised him for having anything in common with Ahidjo's bloody regime.He remained a greatman notwithstanding.

Essono


No,Fonngang,

It is too extreme and baseless to say that,"In Cameroon it is right for francophones to be considered corrupt but not Anglophones".There's no evidence to substantiate such an assertion.Though many of those who have been caught in the web of "Operation Sparrowhawk" are francophones,u can't use just that to lend credence to your assertion.

There are many anglophones languishing in jail on corruption charges.And by the way,who is an anglophone? Bc Mr Siyam Siewe will tell u,he is anglophone.Bc he speaks the English l'ge,was groomed in Anglosaxon traditions,studied in Anglosaxon universities around the world.It's unfair to reduce the term "Anglophone" to people born or living in the NW/SW provinces.

Delors

After making Biya fon of fons, another way round was to create the shit called nowefo with their thoughts focussed on constructing a hall in Nkwen. What an achievement.........It's rather unfortunate that Chafah that I know got himself involved in this cpdm annex called nowefo. Ntumfor Halle to me has been a disgrace for he has been unable to condemn the elections he pretended to monitor with the monumental riggings. He was contented with money biya gave them to observe the elections.(I believe Ntumfor understands that they are observers therefore having nothing to change whatever the outcome.
Coming back to who is anglophone, in Cameroon Anglophone is defined geographically. I personally come from one of the English speaking parts of Cameroon but went to french schools starting from ecole st Jude in fiango Kumba. When I wrote the police Exam so many years back and passed, went for the interview but was told I was anglophone and normally I did not succeed. This was because, though I wrote the exam in French I was either from SW or NW of Cameroon. So if we look at my situation in the cameroonian context, Siyam Siewe comes from the west consequently he is francophone. NB. this has nothing to do with planification a la camerounaise.

Fonngang

Essono,
I think you got me wrong a little. I did not say that Anglophones have not been accused, arrested or even imprisoned for corruption. But I think as a frequent reader of this Post Newspaper you will agree with me that they always try to say Anglophones are mostly victims when they are accused and arrested. That is exactly what happened to the Forjindam case and I think it has happened quite a number of times.

Then the issue of Anglophone or Francophone is what I think you understand very well. It does not limit itself to the dictionary meaning of that word and you know that. And speaking English well does not qualify you as an anglophone in Cameroon. It is not your dictionary meaning that establishes that social identity in Cameroon. It is our history.

Ok back to Nico Halle. The supporters of the regime are as bad as the regime itself. The only great man I know who worked for this regime was late Mr Jomia Pefok - the first government delegate for the Bamanda Urban Council. He saw it, gave it a try, saw the futility in the whole exercise, and declared unequivocally what he thinks of it and resigned. Case closed. That is greatness.

Essono, what ever thing the SCNC has said and done, one has stuck in my mind. They said that it is bad table manners to talk when your mouth is full. It is. Their mouths including Mr Halle's are full and they want it that way so they maintain good table manners.

I am not an extremist. I am someone who does not like half measures. You are either in or out. You can not be halfway in or out. Remember Humpty Dumpty. He was sitting on all and then had a great fall and could not get up.
Cameroon and Africa at large can only come out of this mess if we call a spade a spade.
What is wrong and difficult for this great Nico Halle to say in plain English that the electoral commission he is so influential in is toothless, corrupt, and of no use to the political system. That statement alone will help Cameroon very much.

As for being a great lawyer I have no problem with that. Are great lawyers not corrupt too?
Ghana is different from most African countries today because Rawlings made a clean sweep of the old order and started from scratch.
It is even written in the Bible in Matt 9:16-17 that 'No man putteth a piece of new cloth unto an old garment, for that which is put to fill it up taketh from the garment, and the rent is made worse.
Neither do men put new wine in old bottles: else the bottles break, and the wine runneth out, and the bottles perish: but they put new wine into new bottles and both are preserved'
The bible has never been wrong Essono. I am not a born again christian, mark you.
All these collaborators of the regime are evil people and birds of the same feather flock together.
Lastly Essono, talking about being great or whatever. Do you think these people up the high ranks of the regime are bad people per se? No they could be kind, good parents, brothers, sisters, husbands, friends in their private lives. But their approach to public service is what makes the difference. I am concerned with their public lives and how it affects mine and I do not have to care about how good, bad or great they are. Read this summary:
Q - Does his public life affect mine?
A - Yes.
Q - How?
A - Negatively.
Conclusion - He is a bad guy, period. What he does with his family, friends, acquaintances, in his backyard is of no concen of mine.

Essono

Fonngang,

As a jurist I know how to draw a debate ad infinitum.I won't get into that however.Your 1st paragraph in no way addresses the the previous statement u made and which I am vehemently at odds with.Quote,"In Cameroon it is RIGHT for francophones to be considered corrupt but not Anglophones".The statement is written in black and white and u can't withdraw it with some "white washing".I reaffirm the fact that it is categorically a baseless and an unsubstantiated statement which can't be proven by any social yardstick.There are many societal variables that make any human being corrupt.

The universally acknowledged definition of an Anglophone is a person who speaks English or a native speaker of English.U realise the definition doesn't localise neither does it even insist on a certain degree of aptitude in English.Therefore anybody who speaks English is an Anglophone.That's all.And I throw the gauntlet for u to prove me wrong on that fact.

Essono

I know in Cameroon generally people have a skewed and limited opinion of who an "Anglophone" or a "Francophone" is.Usually most people tend to believe that bc a person hails from the NW/SW province that in itself makes that person an Anglophone.It's not ur province of origin that makes u an Anglophone or Francophone,its ur capacity to communicate in that language.And English isn't even our first l'ge,it's part of our colonial heritage.So when I find people tearing themselves apart over a "borrowed l'ge",I find it ridiculous.

Well,on Nico Halle Esq.I won't get into that argument bc I can see u don't know him.What I would say is pls,desist from judging people from what u read ab't them on newspaper columns.U talk ab't Jomia Pefok,did u know much ab't his stewardship as a public srvant? Ofcourse,he was great man,but he didn't retire uniquely bc of the political system,he had felt it in his bones to take a rest from public life.

And Nico Halle,mark u is a private Lawyer who has been known for his objectivity,his humanitarian work with many civil society groups,his humility etc.He's not a civil servant.And if by any dint of comparism,who is more of a "collaborator" of the regime,I think the late Jomea Pefok who exercised for years as Gov't Delegate(the most controversial function in Cameroon).

Pls,Fonngang,from what u wrote,u don't know the people u're talking ab't.Pls,quit delving into aguments ab't people u don't.I for one,I can talk elaborately ab't Nico Halle bc I worked with him at his firm.And I see u know nothing ab't Halle nor Pefok.So there's no locus for a debate on that.

Radicalbrother

COMRADES,
Interesting views indeed. Keep them coming.
Seems the report card of Nico Halle is better than that of Fai Yengo for the post of PM.
Any body who has worked with this corrupt regime is himself corrupt. Any thing out of this is like condemning the container but liking the content
I am afraid this is the beginning of trouble in NOWEFU which seems not to have an action plan like the Biya's regime

Essono

For those of u who don't know Nico Halle Esq. and his great stewardship as a public servant,pls tap Nico Halle on ur google browsers.Read the article on the postnewsline.com on why he withdrew from the colonel Etonde Ekotto legal suit.This man is the finest breed of people Cameroon can ever dream of having.

It's not enough open our "dichotonomous funnels" in the guise of criticising a regime.He who points a finger at others must realise the other four are pointing back at him.To be able change a regime like Biya's,we must first of all change ourselves.Even in the SDF,UPC,NUDP,SCNC,SCYL we have the most diabolic souls who aren't any better than those at Etoudi.

I shall forever remain an unrepentant,unapologetic opponent of Paul Biya's regime or any other regime that exacts political absolutism.But we should be matured enough to know that there are many people who work their hearts every day in the service of the people.And Nico Halle is one of those people.He's one of those few people whose record can permit him to one day serve under any regime,present or future.I am categorically sure of that.

I wouldnot permit any feeble-minded ignoramus,who sits on his/her laptop abroad to say trash ab't my Legal mentor.

Neba Fuh

'Anger is one letter short of danger'.
I think the 'Ntumfor' Nico Halle is being controlled by anger, thus bringing out a haughty attitude in his responses.

Everybody has the right to discuss or describe his legacy, but humble people leave the public to judge and present their legacies.

The 'Ntumfor' is not as humble as he stated.

rexon

Essono,

It is surely tribalism and nothing else that is pushing you to defend Ntumfor Nico Halle, just as you have been defending NJFN. If he was a Bakweri man or something of the sort, i am sure you would have said what we are saying here about him. We are not talking here about how good any individual has been to his friends, colleagues and family. There is no doubt in our mind that Ntumfor is a good man to those who know him. However, his goodness does not concern ordinary Southern Cameroonians as they do not live from his paycheck. I will like to bring to your attention the fact that those who have worked closely with Biya do not call him a bad man. They see him as a fatherly and very caring man. I have met people here in Europe who have been very close associates of people like Biya and Musonge and what they know about these people is different from what we think. However, that has never been our concern. So spare us the talk of Ntumfor being this or that. We are mainly judging him from his political engagements and lies telling to maintain a very despotic regime that have masterminded the destruction of the lives of millions of Cameroonians. Anyone who have been following Cameroonian politics in the last decade or so must have come to terms with the fact that our own Uncle Ntumfor Nico Halle is a hypocrite. People like him who speak with two mouths, one in private (the truth) and one in public (what Biya wants to hear) must be very good traitors. This is a man who was used by Biya to head an organisation that rigged elections. Knowing very well the mission of his organisation, this same Ntumfor provoked Southern Cameroons by asking them to pray for free and fair elections, as if Southern Cameroonians do not have brains to count votes if only elections by the Biya regime can be free and fair.

Please, do spare us the provocation of putting Ntumfor Nico Halle in one sentence with the legendary Professor Bernard Fonlon.

Fonngang

Thank you Rexon for coming to my aid. Infact we like personalising issues and wanting the public to go by those personalisations. We do not have to know whether a public servant or figure is a good person or not. The question we should all be concerned with is 'How does his public life affect ours?' I do not need to know Nico Halle even in person to create an opinion about him. Infact I have never met this guy and I don't need to. I said this before and Rexon echoed it. All the public figures we criticise might be good parents, friends, brothers, mothers, family members etc etc., but how does that concern me? I am not their family member, friend, brother, sister etc. Our only means of contact is when his public service affects my life. That is only when his activities concern me. So far as Nico Halle is concerned, his support for the regime has been devastaing to me. He is thus just as evil as the regime. How difficult is that to understand?
Also, the question about my statement that 'It is alright to accept that francophones are corrupt' is what we call in English an ironical statement. Do you want me to define it? I thought it would be undermining your ability to understand English if I did but you have forced me to do so. An irony is a type of statement which actually carries the opposite of what its surface meaning might be. I do not know how else I could have put it. From what we usually read and hear in Cameroon about the fight against corruption, when a Francophone is accused of coruption it seems everybody, particularly Anglophones just conclude that it is true. But when such accusations are made against an Anglophone, many Anglophone commentators will immediately start talking about victimisation. We have read and heard that many times. I don't know how you understand written information. Could I have put it more explicitly?
Finally about who an Anglophone is, I triedcontextualize the definition. I know what the Dictionary definition is. But in Cameroon and in particular with the SCNC movement, an anglophone might not neccessariy mean anybody who speaks English. It is not me who has decided to reason that way. That is how I see it being considered. Besides if an Anglophone should be accepted based on the ability to speak the language alone, are we therefore going to find out how well one speaks it before accepting or refusing him or her? How would you determine that? It is our history that will determine it and not the dictionary. That is why in most countries mere citizenship is not even enough to do certain things citizens are allowed to do like running for some offices. In the US being an American and residing in a state does not automatically qualifiy you to run for some public offices. So in Cameroon from what I see happening and from my understanding, speaking English does not and will not automatically qualify anybody to be an Anglophone. And most of all the term Anglophone in describing the people from the South and |Northwest Provinces of Cameroon is supposed to be just a temporal and convenient identification label. If the territory attains independence someday, it will redefine itself and its citizens also.

grandlexuz

Fongang,
I definitely accept with you. No pretence about the fact that Anglophone in the Cameroon context refers to those originating from the North West and South West Provinces. Offcourse we definitely cannot deny that we Anglophones have often been pushed to the wall, but the whole idea of Independence for anglophones is crazy and a dream that I can bet my fingers for. Its funny how some few persons have carried the idea to thier heads and are running crazy with it. The Truth is the Southern Cameroon idealogy rest only with less than 2percent of the anglophone population.
I remember when Forjindam was picked up for corruption, the Post called him a heroe who picked the insituition from ruins and was quick to stand by his side. Almost declaring him innocent.. I guess its high time we come together with better ideas and build a better Cameroon.

Fonngang

Let me make the last response to Essono on this topic beofre the new edition comes.
Essono, when ou say you will remain forever an unapologetic opposer to the regime you must be joking. I am very prepared to accept the CPDM or any other political party for that matter if they live up to my expectations. I will have no reason to hate the CPDM thereafter.
Secondly mentioning that there could also be bad elements in the SDF, UPC, UNDP etc is of no consequence. Whether they are bad or not, how do they affect my life now? They don't affect my life in anyway and I cannot condemn them now. Only people whose public life affect mine are important to me. Even if your private affairs try to affect mine negatively I know where to address that, the legal system which itself is controlloed by public figures. So therfore if someone's private life affects mine negatively and the legal system cannot redress that I will feel cheated not by the person against me but by the legal system and the public figures who are in charge. We should learn to know where our responsibilities start and end
So forget about your Ntumfor and your being a jurist. If you use this same judgment in assisting your clients you have displayed in this debate, I should really feel sorry for them.
From your perspective now and given the chaotic legal environment in Cameroon it seems his withdrawing as counsel of a client might have even violated lawyer-client relations - and as a favourite of the regime what can happen to him?. NOTHING. I just said 'might' mark you so do not jump on my back now.

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