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Ras tuge

Samba Tata,
there's some relevance in your frustration about the phoney papal visit.Infact all normal African children should express utter disappointment,and even some acrimony about the coming of perhaps Africa's most lugubrous guest,the pope.Permit me to take this drama a step further by even questioning the rational of the so-called African Roman Catholic practicing christians like you,who claim to get ecstatic whenever there's any mention of the pope visiting Africa.Be reminded that the pope represents absolutely nothing for Africa,and therefore his visit is of no substance to a continent as endowed with spirituality as Africa.Why would Africans become so fanciful,and obsessed about a pope who scarcely even mean a thing to his own continent of origin?Infact,why do Africans even expect or wish for anything from the pope who is just a mammoth agent of the under-world?The Roman Catholic church,or better-still the church in general in Europe has spiralled out of control,and has become a secularized,and a back-slidden country club.Consequently, Europeans have diminished the papacy to being an institution of the medieval epoch,and this has extensively minimised the pope's role in the day to day life of the average European.Surprisingly though,misguided papal fanatics like you Samba still can't help but spend precious time contemplating the motives of the pope's visit!What is the relevance to Cameroon of who invited the pope,when traditional visits by previous popes,as we all know,could not be seen as answers to the sufferings of hordes of brain-washed catholic christians?How can the dichotomy between the pope,and the faith of the plethora of African catholic christians contribute to our understanding of salvation at a time when the pope's message is shunned with abject hostility in the very continent where Roman Catholicism hailed from?If the pope comes as a head of state,it is perfectly normal for the government and the people to receive him.However,Africans should not consider the pope as any shepherd,and must never grant him the privilege to be regarded with such high esteem.Therefore,no one should think of the pope in terms of any kind of immediate,or long term benefits.You see,there's a very sorrowful absurdity in the manner in which Samba and tons of other ignorant papal maniacs seem to imagine the pope as being a demi-god from whom Africans should expect some apocalyptic benediction.What exactly Samba refers to when he suggests that a papal visit should be perceived as a reward for tangible,and meaningful efforts toward democracy is something that really baffles me.So what exactly would the so-called emerging African democracies benefit from a pope's visit?Samba,as i read through your rantings,i kept struggling to find the point that you were trying to make.Do you see yourself as a Catholic christian who stands as an advocate of the papal inteferrence in only goodwilled African countries?Or,are you just the controversial philosopher who suggests one thing,only to realise later that the cost of papal visits have always been wasteful for the fragile African economies?

Ted

Samba Tata,
I won't want to call you an egocentric practising catholic but you can also look at the Pope's visit from this quote from the book of Matthew 10:5-14. "These twelve Jesus sent out, charging them, 'Go nowhere among the Gentiles, and enter no town of the Samaritans, but go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And preach as you go, saying, the kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You receive without pay, give without pay. Take no gold, nor silver, nor copper in your belts, no bag for your journey, nor two tunics, nor sandals, nor a staff; for the labourer deserves his food. And whatever town or village you enter, find out who is worthy in it, and stay with him until you depart. As you enter the house, salute it. And if the house is worthy, let your peace come upon it; but if it is not worthy, let your peace return to you." As for the repeated papal visit to Cameroon, the book of Luke 15:3-4 has this to tell us: "So he told them a parable: 'What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he has lost one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost, until he finds it?"

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An Open Letter to His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI on behalf of the Aggrieved People of Southern Cameroons on the occasion of his maiden visit to La Republique du Cameroun March 17th – March 20th 2009
Your Holiness,

It is a great yet undeserved honor that your premier visit to Africa as Supreme Pontiff is to Cameroon - the third papal visit to Cameroon, with the first two by your predecessor John Paul II. Your visit catapults Cameroon to the enviable ranks of African countries most visited by a Pope along side Kenya, Cote d’Ivoire and Ghana. Like David in the Old Testament we are wont to exclaiming: Who are we, Holy Father and what is our lineage for you to afford us such grace? (cf. 2 Samuel 7:18) Or more properly, like Elizabeth at the visitation: who are we to be honored with a visit by the Supreme Pontiff. (cf. Lk. 2:42) We acknowledge that this is a moment of grace, an invaluable opportunity especially for the six million people of the North West and South West Provinces historically known as the people of the British Southern Cameroons about whom this appeal is being made.

Your visit to this ‘vale of tears’ comes at a very crucial and decisive hour in the political history of this entity. Cameroon harbors one of the greatest dictators of modern history having been in power for over a quarter of a century (exclusive of the years he served as Prime Minister). He has iron-fistedly enthroned himself with a life term presidential mandate, instituted tribalism as modus operandi and afforded the nation golden medals for endemic bribery and corruption - its modus vivendi. His adroit notoriety for recruiting a sophisticated band of thieves who after marauding the national treasury declared the nation in economic crises and unashamedly celebrated Cameroon’s eligibility for the Highly Indebted Poor Countries Initiative (HIPC) – more funds for embezzlement and capital flight, is a classic epic in kleptocracy. As a Catholic or so he claims to be at least in public while in private he is said to militate in the occult Rosicrucian order, he has afforded us all Catholics a very bad press. He has besmirched Catholics in an annoying variety of ways. Your visit to Cameroon invariably gives him not only political clout – a rare political capital for him to use to spotlight his regime as peaceful, but also the opportunity for him and his band of thieves to swindle – further impoverishing the country. Despondency is written everywhere in Cameroon but even more so with the minority peoples of Southern Cameroons for whom your visit has momentous political overtures.

Your predecessor John Paul II in his post-synodal exhortation Ecclesia in Africa (EA) -which by the way was by no accident launched in Cameroon in 1995 especially because it reflected the reality of the following quote: For many synod Fathers contemporary Africa can be compared to the man who went down from Jerusalem to Jericho: he fell among robbers who stripped him, beat him and departed, leaving him half dead (cf. Lk. 10:30 – 37) Africa is a continent where countless human beings, men and women, children and young people are lying as it were on the edge of the road, sick, injured, disabled, marginalized and abandoned” (EA 41) If what is true of the whole is also true of the parts, then the foregoing sobering description fits the bill of the reality of the people of Southern Cameroons. We the people of Southern Cameroons are rightly epitomized in the man beaten and abandoned by thieves. A cursory glance at our history and current plight ostensibly ascertains this reality.

Coaxed to the hoax of a United Nations’ plebiscite of February 1961, in which Southern Cameroons – a trust territory of the UN administered by the British – voted to “achieve independence by joining’ La Republique du Cameroun(which gained its independence on January 1st 1960) in a federal union of two states both equal in status – Southern Cameroons is today an annexed territory of La Republique du Cameroon. Taking advantage of the affirmative vote to join La Republique du Cameroun, the latter egregiously masterminded the actualization of this vote in contravention of United Nations’ General Assembly resolution 1608 (XV) of 21st April 1961 which demanded a union treaty stipulating the terms of the union that was to be effected. There is therefore no legal instrument modulating the union and hence one would not be wrong to surmise that the union was illegal ab initio. Arbitrariness has been the guiding principle and this whole process is a classical recipe for bungled decolonization. Abandoned by the United Nations at such a crucial stage and exacerbated by the sudden and complete withdrawal of the British, the spurious federation of two equal states was born.

On the heels of this illegality, la Republique surreptitiously multiplied other acts of illegality by imposing her constitution on Southern Cameroons as the Federal Constitution in September 1961; then in abrogation of the same Constitution, she dissolved the Federation through a fraudulent referendum in 1972 which was in fact a political ruse to accomplish the hidden agenda of complete annexation. Having come full circle in 1984, Biya and his cronies declared Cameroon as La Republique du Cameroun, a clear indication that the union no longer existed. Holy Father, this by all standards, is not your regular minority problem. This is fraught with historical and legal overtones.

Even if one were to grant the foregoing as mere historical accidents, the malice of La Republique is confirmed in the cruel treatment of the Southern Cameroons people which at best has been ruthless subjugation. Southern Cameroonians have only played second fiddle. Politically, we have consistently been disenfranchised and marginalized, robbed of our land, statehood and independence; economically bereft of our once buoyant economy as state bandits have descended with voracious and insatiable appetites and systematically raped and recklessly plundered our resources and left us paupers. Even though Southern Cameroons accounts for over 50% of the economic prowess of Cameroon, today she lies in ruins like the milking calf slaughtered for the master’s table after milking it dry. Socially, there is an alarming deprivation of basic amenities. Wanton abuse of rights has been our lot. In short, La Republique’s totalitarianism has stripped the Southern Cameroonian of inalienable rights and denigrated him to an impersonal cog in the revolving state wheel.

In the wake of this catalogue of illegalities but even more so the outrageous third class citizen treatment, Southern Cameroonians called for a return to the drawing board. Barbarism of stupendous proportions has been La Republique’s preferred response. Many of our compatriots have met untimely death while many have suffered wanton abuse both physical and emotional. Illegal arrests, unlawful detentions under inhumane conditions and savagery torture have been the characteristic repressive deterrents of La Republique. This intransigence and arrogance of La Republique has forced Southern Cameroonians to move from a demand of a return to federation, illegal albeit, to zero option, that is, restoration of our independence and statehood. This is non-negotiable. Attempts at bringing reason to bear have failed and but for the internal squabbles of the different liberation movements which have torpedoed the cause, the reality in Cameroon would have been different. The Southern Cameroons problem is a “simmering pot of magma” akin to a dormant volcano which gets lethal by the day and soon the eruption which, I bet you, Holy Father, will turn out to be the bloodiest in recent history.

In the face of this reality, one must acknowledge in your words Holy Father, that “the topical relevance of the parable of the Good Samaritan is evident. When we transpose it into the dimensions of the Southern Cameroons struggle, we see how the people of Southern Cameroons lying robbed and plundered by La Republique and abandoned by the United Nations and the British, matter to us: then we see how they are our neighbors, that our lifestyle, the history in which we are involved has plundered them and continues to do so. (cf. Jesus of Nazareth, p.198) And as your venerable predecessor so rightly exhorted: They (Southern Cameroonians) are in dire need of Good Samaritans who will come to their aid. (EA 41) Your visit to Cameroon presents you with this opportunity. On the lips of children and of babes, and of men and women, the antiphonal chant of the messianic refrain: Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord will resound.

Your visit to Cameroon is apostolic and hence essentially spiritual. This is immediately preceded by your annual Lenten retreat which will run from March 1st – March 7th 2009. Permit me suggest that during this retreat you pray in a very special way for the people of Southern Cameroons. In your message for Lent 2009 where you underscored the importance of the Lenten discipline of fasting you quote the sagacious words of St. Peter Chrysologus who writes thus: Fasting is the soul of prayer, mercy is the lifeblood of fasting. So if you pray, fast; if you fast, show mercy; if you want your petition to be heard, hear the petition of others. If you do not close your ear to others, you open God’s ear to yourself’ (Sermo 43: PL 52,320,322) Listen then to the petition of Southern Cameroonians suffering under the hegemonic claws of La Republique. Holy Father, storm the gates of heaven during this retreat but especially while in Cameroon for and on behalf of the people of Southern Cameroons and their liberation struggle.

Your Holiness, with the whole world focusing on Cameroon because of your presence there, what would it be like to call on the people of Southern Cameroons to heed to your Lenten challenge and fast for their cause? Exhort them to reread in the light of their present plight, the experience of Ezra who in preparation for the journey from exile back to the Promised Land called upon the assembled people to fast “so that they might humble themselves before God (cf. 8:27) Or be like the Prophet Jonah sent to the Ninevites and call upon the people of Southern Cameroons to repent. Amplify the hushed and crushed voices of Southern Cameroonians through a direct invitation to fast and certainly this will poke and prick the consciences especially of the International community.

How I wish it were as easy as it sounds. At face value, it would sound preposterous to add your muscle to this struggle. In the first instance you would be accused of fanning the flames of division which goes against the grain especially in this age of globalization. Holy Father, you know better. Unity for the sake of unity that engenders a Hegelian “slave-master” paradigm is clearly an aberration. In your message for World peace day 2009 you said inter alia: Globalization eliminates certain barriers, but is still able to build new ones; it brings peoples together, but spatial and temporal proximity does not of itself create the conditions of true communion and authentic peace. Effective means to redress the marginalization of the world’s poor through globalization will only be found if people everywhere feel personally outraged by the injustices in the world and by the concomitant violations of human rights. This is so true of the current Southern Cameroons dispensation. Too often we know the truth and shy away from it for the sake of political correctness or fear of embarrassing one’s host. May we never lose sight of the fact that the Cross was both a sign of contradiction to the Jews and a scandal to the Gentiles. It would be nice to err on the side of the truth and in this case on the side of the innocent victims of Southern Cameroons.

Permit me remind you of one of the greatest political victories of Pope John Paul II - the collapse of communism especially in his home country Poland. His first home-coming trip of 1979 after his meteoric ascension to the papacy has been characterized as the “fulcrum of the revolution” that led to the demise of communism. This he achieved not through arms but rather through a revolution of conscience by telling his own countrymen “You are not who you say you are…” This set the ball rolling, crystallizing into the movement that later presided over the funeral of communism. This movement has been described as “a forest planed by aroused consciences”

Dear Holy Father, during your four days’ sojourn in Cameroon, it would be fitting to remind Cameroonians: You are not who you say you are. You are living a lie. Bring them to the school of conscience and conscientize them to wake up and rediscover truly who they are. I am confident that you can take this challenge given that last year in your homily during the third anniversary of Pope John Paul II’s death you prayed that from heaven he (John Paul II) will continue to intercede for each one of us and in a special way for you, whom providence has called to harvest his invaluable spiritual heritage. There is no denying it that this victory over communism is a central part of this heritage. John Paul II did it for his people. Holy Father, do it for the people of Southern Cameroons. After all, we are proud to claim a political German ancestry whose perpetuity is visible in the structures dotting our land till this date. We therefore share more in common than you would imagine.

Let it be known that the United Nations which is at the “fons et origo” of this problem has turned a deaf ear to the persistent pleas of redress by the people of Southern Cameroons. Even our British colonial masters have washed their hands off like Pilate and abandoned us to the whims and caprices of the annexationist regime. After all these international organizations have become clubs where the might gather to strangle the weak, where dictators assemble to pat each other on the back and share the booty. The world sits aloof watching and hoping that the Southern Cameroons’ issue would resolve itself for as they say “time heals” or it is hoped it will simply disappear or worse still that the dearth of a strong leader around whom the people of Southern Cameroons can rally and match on to victory will last their life time. Clearly we the people of Southern Cameroons are political orphans on exile. The world passes us by, watching and waiting for gunshots, for bloodshed so that talks “ad nauseam” can begin and then “blue helmets” are sent in after the fact to maintain peace. Now is the time. Your Holiness, do not pass us by like the priest and Levite in the parable of the Good Samaritan. Use your good offices for and on our behalf of the people of Southern Cameroons.

Recently during your visit to the United Nations, you stressed the importance of preemptive diplomacy and called on the United Nations to eschew delay tactics for fear of interventionism. In that magnificent address, you noted: On the contrary, it is indifference or failure to intervene that do the real damage. What is needed is a deeper search for ways of preempting and managing conflicts by exploring every possible diplomatic avenue and giving attention and encouragement to even the faintest sign of dialogue or desire for reconciliation. You can avert a future disaster. The Southern Cameroons’ motto: The force of argument and not the argument of force is a clear expression of the philosophy of peace under girding the struggle. The United Nations has closed its eyes to avenues of dialogue we have created. With the Permanent Observer status at the UN, the Vatican could take up the Southern Cameroons problem. The Vatican has the leverage to do so if she so desires. Navigating the UN system is its forte and with all the diplomatic artillery she has garnered, there can be a peaceful resolution of this problem. Make hay while the sun shines.

Holy Father, in your aforementioned message for the celebration of the world day of peace 2009, you draw an inner intrinsic link between poverty and peace. You affirm that we know other non-material forms of poverty exist which are not the direct and automatic consequence of material deprivation. We the people of Southern Cameroons have been pauperized and made to fight for crumbs falling off the annexationist’s table and you can imagine how sparingly these fall off. Hence we are really starving. Yet our poverty is not just physical. It is even worse than this and so poignantly defined by Mother Teresa of happy memories thus: Being unwanted, unloved, uncared for, forgotten by everybody, I think that is a much greater hunger, a much greater poverty than the person who has nothing to eat.” We are unmistakably unwanted by La Republique, uncared for by the UN and forgotten by our German and British colonial masters. Like Jeremiah we are wont to crying: Is there no balm in Gilead? Or like Peter to Christ: to whom shall we go? You have the good offices to avail of and avert a potential phenomenal genocide. You definitely have the wherewithal. Denial only further delays the explosion. The schizophrenic historical revisionism fomented by the spin doctors spewing out the gibberish that Cameroon is one and indivisible will invariably boomerang. This window dressing, whitewashing and brainwashing can only last that long. You can fool some of the people some of the time but you cannot fool all the people all the time.

The larger context of your visit is to release the Instrumentum Laboris of the forthcoming Synod of African Bishops scheduled to hold in October 2009. You have chosen as theme for this synod: "The Church in Africa in Service to Reconciliation, Justice and Peace 'You are the Salt of the Earth... You are the Light of the World'" (Mt 5:13, 14). The Lineamenta that defined the tenor of deliberations which have produced the above mentioned Instrumentum laboris dedicated its third chapter to the Church, Sacrament of Reconciliation of Reconciliation, Justice and Peace in Africa. If charity begins at home, it is just fitting that one of the first issues for the august assembly in Cameroon to consider is that of the Southern Cameroons. Peace in Cameroon hangs on a thread. And in the words of the lineamenta (no.12), Peace is often confused with a kind of unanimity or tranquility imposed by force and keeping power in the hands of a single group to the detriment of the people. In such situations, citizens are unable to take part in public life and popular opinion cannot make a difference. As a result, people tend to withdraw and become disinterested. Until legally constituted States are created in Africa, ones governed by truly democratic Africans, there is a great risk that the fore-mentioned situation will endure.

If there is any source of potential grave threat to the “apparent” peace in Cameroon, it is unquestionably the Southern Cameroons’ problem. May it never be forgotten that there comes a time in the life of a people when pushed to the wall, the only necessary thing to do is to fight back. Current efforts to ensure a peaceful resolution of the Southern Cameroons puzzle do not seem to be yielding any fruits. Instead it looks like the more efforts are made, the greater the mockery and repression and the more the delay. And as the saying goes, “justice delayed is justice denied.” If justice is correctly defined as giving each his due, then by any stretch, the Southern Cameroons problem is a miscarriage in justice – miscarriage “midwifed” by the UN and the British and masterminded by La Republique.

There could therefore be no better place to flesh out the recommendation of the Lineamenta than in addressing the Southern Cameroons problem especially on Cameroonian soil. Again in outlining some aspects requiring particular attention in this project of Justice and Peace, the Lineamenta hits the mark when it makes the clarion call for the recognition of minorities. In its recommendation, the document very beautifully expresses the fact that: when relations have broken off between groups in a nation, dialogue and reconciliation are the obligatory paths to peace. Only a sincere dialogue, open to the legitimate claims of all parties involved, can create an environment of real justice, where everyone is able to work for the true good of their homeland and people. Reconciliation based on justice, and respect for the legitimate aspirations of all segments of society, must be the rule… (no. 79) This speaks directly to the Southern Cameroons problem and suggests the way out. The Roman Catholic Church whose chief shepherd you are can make this happen in Cameroon “hinc et nunc.” Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord and blessed are those who receive he who comes in the name of the Lord.

Holy Father, failure to broach the Southern Cameroons problem during your historic visit to Cameroon, would be a monumental oversight. In its vision and thematic structure the forthcoming synod captures the urgent needs of the continent. The Holy Spirit’s promptings bring you to Cameroon and present to you the Southern Cameroons riddle to unlock. Avoiding the question of the relevancy of the Catholic Church to the Southern Cameroons issue would ipso facto cast a shadow over the forthcoming synod relegating its conclusions to the shelves, for gathering of the proverbial dust. Holy Father, do not let the church succumb to the temptation of “cerebrality” but in fact get real. You would be turning the non-violent resolution of conflicts into a utopian ideal, if you do not set the pace while in Yaounde. In fact, the Southern Cameroons problem is a litmus test to the church’s commitment to engage the conflict ridden continent of Africa. It will stand out as a point in the examination of conscience when ten years from today we evaluate the fruits of the forthcoming synod.

Lockwood’s prefatory remarks in his review of Phayer’s book: The Catholic Church and Holocaust contains in nuce the path I suggest should guide you as you choose to engage or not the Southern Cameroons’ problem: Pope Pius XII (1939-1958), as Secretary of State to Pius XI and as pope, faced Nazi Germany with a remarkable consistency. The Nazis considered him an implacable foe,1 and he was hailed both during and after World War II as the strongest voice – often the only voice – speaking out in Europe against the Nazi terror.2 The Church under his leadership is credited with saving more Jewish lives in the face of the Holocaust than any other agency, government or entity at the time.3 Pius’ combination of diplomatic pressure, careful but sustained criticism while maintaining an essential Vatican neutrality in war-torn Europe, as well as direct action through his nuncios and the local Church where possible, saved what some have estimated as 860,000 Jewish lives.4 If that estimate is accurate by only half, it remains a historic effort for a Church fighting without weapons against the most horrific campaign of genocide the world had yet seen. (Emphases mine) In the wake of this trail blazed already by your predecessor, permit me humbly suggest that you be the voice of Southern Cameroonians during your visit especially during your private audience with Paul Biya and in the speeches and homilies you will deliver in La Republique du Cameroun.

May St Patrick, on whose feast you shall touchdown in Cameroon on March 17th 2009, “inspire you by his heroic life” and intercede for you for a safe trip to and from Cameroon. And may St. Joseph, husband of Mary, patron of the Universal Church whose feast, Cameroonians shall be privileged to celebrate with you on Thursday March 19th 2009, help you to be like him “that just man” promoting justice and peace especially in Cameroon with the Southern Cameroons problem looming large, “that wise and loyal servant, providence has placed at the head of God’s family. Through the maternal intercession of Our Lady, Queen of Africa and Patroness of Cameroon may your historic visit to Cameroon bring true and lasting peace to the people of Cameroon. May she comforter of the afflicted, bring comfort through you to the people of Southern Cameroons. May she, mirror of justice, afford justice for the people of Southern Cameroons

Your Humble servant,
Lambert Mbom on exile in Washington DC

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1. His Eminence, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, Secretary of State of the Vatican
2. His Grace Archbishop Antonio Eliseo Apostolic Nuncio to Cameroon
3. His Grace Archbishop Pietro Sambi Apostolic Nuncio to the United States of America
4. National Secretariat of the Episcopal Conference of Cameroon
5. His Eminence Christian Cardinal Tumi. Archbishop of Douala, Cameroon
6. Retired Justice Frederick Ebong, President designate of the Republic of Southern Cameroons
7. Professor Carlson Anyangwe, President of the Restoration government of the British Southern Cameroons,
8. Chief Ayamba Ette Otun, National Chairman of the SCNC, Cameroon
9. Mr. Derrick Njoh, Chairman of the SCNC, North America


Ma Mary

Your Holiness:
During your visit, to promote the strength of the faith, remember to excommunicate a certain apostate ex-seminarian called Paul Biya. He is a Free Mason and a Rosicrucian and member of the murderous Francafrique cult. He is also reputed to have killed some of your priests and monks. Institute an investigation to bring out the full truths of these matters. He also maintains colonial rule over the Southern Cameroons, something which the Papal state gave up completely. He plunders and lives an exhorbitant lifestyle like an Arab king while the people he rules die of desperation and lack and disease.

Enjoy your stay, but remember that everything nice you see is a Potemkin Village, set up just for your visit and then to be torn down again.

Do not forget. Excommunicate HIM!

Ras tuge

Ma Mary,how come a single-minded person like you can still be day-dreaming about Biya's excommunication by a supreme hoodlum in the title of a pope?!So you think that the Vatican jester is not abrest with the Cameroonian story?Must i remind you that the papacy is top on the list of bogus western institutions that have overwhelmingly contributed to choking Africa?Did you know that the papacy is actually enabling repressive propensities in Africa,by encouraging villainous leaders to rule Africa?Hence,the papacy will obviously never challenge any African president who contributes to the smooth functioning of the Vatican conspiracy.Have you ever pondered why the pope always makes wanton visits to Africa,and not much is heard of his activities here in Europe?Why are Africans still suffering from such shallow-mindedness?Listen,i dare impugn on the pope's integrity,and i declare that the pope is just another pirate whose primordial mission to Africa is to canvass for money,and hence exacerbate our already very dismal economic frustrations.Cameroon has observed a papal visit twice,and what changed?Therefore,it is really troubling to see how ignorant Africans are shamelessly expecting prophetic benediction,and or salvation from a man whose message is almost meaningless to the average European.
Lambert Mbom,there's nothing to be gained from the pope's visit.Traditional visits by popes have not awarded any remedies to the untold challenges we're confronted with as systematically confused Africans.It is therefore utterly nonsensical for you to think of Benedict XVI's visit as spiritual,and to even suggest that Cameroon has become more enviable thanks to previous papal visits.That is bullshit!If anything,Africa is getting increasingly impoverished,the closer it gets to popes.Africans need to understand this,but until then,their salvation rests in their own hands,and in the hands of the almighty,and not in the phoney hands of any pope.Jah Guide

Delors

The pope is a joke. Vatican is so rich to give help to countries suffering like Cameroon and not to come and pretend to bless those who have rendered Cameroonians beggers. How many wheel chairs is he bringing to the disabled he is going to visit. Europeans and Americans are busing trying to see how they could come out of the economic crisis but cameroonians are contributing little money to give to the pope to take to the vatican so that they can use it for homosexuality. The late french CARDINAL mONSEIGNEUR lEVRE TOLD THE WORLD THE TRUTH ABOUT THE vATICAN. Gone are the days we thought the poe was Jesus. They have become businessmen and encouranging ditatorial Regimes in the world. From Cameroon he goes to Angola. Dos Santos has been in power since 1975 and he is considered one of the richest person on earth but Angola the country remains what it is. The late Ivoirian President used the country wealth to build the Basilique at the pleasure of the vatican and its people plunged into total suffering. How did this guy became a pope when he fought the world war and killed a lot of people????

Bob Bristol

Is there anything we can do to avert this visit? This is the third time I'm proposing this option. Or is the Vatican shouldering a part of the cost of all the artificial set-up?

Radicalbrother


To all free thinkers in this forum;
Granted, much is ascribed to Ras Tuge, Delor,Bob Bristol, Ma Mary et AL who spoke not what most thought but what they think, a thought to patent for us to ignore…..
1.The pope is coming to Cameroon at the invitation of Biya and the Catholic church. This means he is not having Cameroonians at heart and the so called catholic faithful other wise he would have been the one to propose the visit.
2. A papal decree created the first slave market in Europe where Blacks were bought and sold like goods. Is he coming to repent?
3.This trip would be strictly business oriented. Watch out closely for this statement as those who intend to greet the pope by a hand shake must pay a certain amount of money
4.BLOOD, BLOOD, BLOOD has stained the hands of the catholic church. From the sinking of the Titanic ship in 1912 to some gruesome murder right here in Cameroon, the catholic church stands out unique in causing atrocities in the world
5. It was a papal visit that brought economic crisis to Cameroon in the 80s. I hope Cameroonians will not be sent to their graves this time around
6.The state and the Catholic church is to foot the bill of the visit. Hope there are better projects to embark on that will help the common man.
ALMIGHTY GOD, DO NOT ALLOW THIS VISIT TO TAKE PLACE

Oversabi

Joseph Ratinger, an ex-german Nazi youth, fighting against the American, British and the french thought it wise that in order to submerg the guilt of his murdering of hundreds, he should join the church-catholic church. He did just what so many ex-nazis did after the war. Some went to Latin America, to parts of African etc etc and became preists. Now he is the pope and someone wants to tell me he can now all of a sudden fight against issues he fought to protect in the 40s: racial suprememacy inductrinated to him by his master Hitler, anti-semitism etc. Now here is a clue to the answer. He cannot fight against these issues because they are deeply rooted in his philosophy, PROOF? He refused to speak against the reverend father who said the holocaust didn't happen......
Negroes, wake up. Liberation theology is what we need as a people not the catholic church

Bob Bristol

What reasons can motive a tyrant to invite an individual assumed to be holy; by millions? That is, if HOLY must go along with it's positive connotation.
What reasons can a professed "holy" person be doing in the heart of an evil forest at night? We've received a common answer on this forum which can only be backed by a biblical except - Jesus came to transform the unrighteous.

From my own perspective, the main purpose of this visit is to render Cameroonians more humble in the face of political and fiscal manipulations . The docility of Cameroonians is alarming. Biya is doing his best to provide us with all what it takes to cow down a repressed generation. The churches are multiplying, the pope is coming, the brands of beers and beer parlours are spreading, destitution has led to cheap sex and prostitution is reigning in official circles. The cry against homosexuality has been given a deaf ear by the regime. Our heads have been swollen with fake promises. ete etc.

How can we fight as a people when we have a free hand in practicing all these ills?

Regards to Radicalbrother

Bob Bristol

Correction

What reasons can motivate ---.

Bela Primus Bebang

Lambert Mbom,made a statement in which I second!!Cameroon is indeed becoming an enviable country thanks to these Papal visits to our beloved Nation 'True say'.We are talking here about our lovely country Cameroon. This is a Nation we all dream for it to become better each new day.Cameroon this time around is the central point of international attention and we as Cameroonians should be striving at doing something for Cameroon at this defining moment by using the Curtain Principle of concerntrating on present development and mapping out a better future for Cameroon. It is now an established fact that The Holy Father is visiting Cameroon what are we doing to make Cameroonians benefits much from it?? What Public Relation are we doing for our country? It is time for all of us Cameroonians to learn how to remove the block in eyes before pointing at the speck in others.This will enable us to be proactive in our thoughts and words in order to make this country of ours better than we met it.That's the spirit we need!!
Mr. Publisher I have Spoken from {Den Haag}The Hague NL.

Bob Bristol

Bela,

If you don't mind, can you tell us in concrete terms what were the proceeds of the previous papal visits to Cameroon? Rather than rambling, you can as well consider this as a rhectorical question.

magbor akoh

I think we should consider the pope's vist as a stepping stone to a new Cameroon.In Dec.2008, the relics of St .Theresa of the Child Jesus was taken to Cameroon and Pope John Paul II visited Cameroon twice.Rather than us being pessimistic, lets hope Cameroon would soon be a better country thanks to these holy visits.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

magbor

please take you foolish religious propaganda somewhere else ok? religion is indeed the opium of the masses as Marx said and this is evident in Africa. It is shame to see how Cameroonians have been drugged by religion.

and what has the relics of St. Theresa got to do with Cameroon? will St. Theresa end corruption in Cameroon? will she feed the starving and provide jobs for the unemployed youth? has the Pope ever spoken out about the tyranic Biya regime of Cameroon? and their bloodthirsty impulses?

Give me a break

Radicalbrother

Magbor,
You must be a novice in this forum an d from your writing, you ssound like a religious fanatic who is not willing to change his mine and will not change any thing about the subject.
Show me the version in the bible which says the relic of someone who has died should be paraded in order to make christians closer to ther God?Is THIS NOT HUMAN TRAFFICKING?
Hypocrites. God knows his followers

Danny Boy

Magbor,
stop dreaming. There is no heaven, so forget about the manna, OK!
Ratzinger will come and go, and Cameroon will pick up the bills. The country will be poorer and his docile flock will tell us to pray!!!!
In the beginning they taught us to pray with our eyes closed. Whilst we did that, they were busy carving out our fertile lands amongst themselves. Since the Sixties, we have managed to reclaim these, some of it, not fit for any purpose!
So what does this neo-colonialist want?
Magbor, your Pope is a neo-colonialist!!
Answer me.

Danny Boy.

Bela Primus Bebang

Danny Boy,
You seem to write on sentiments up till the point were you say the is no such place as Heaven.Gosh! this is pademonium.Just because some1 made mention of a Sacred thing which is better to ask for clarification than condemning Okay?
Remember no one is perfect and we are in a pilgrim world in which some people consider it as a journey to the unknown while others consider a reward for this journey as Heaven and the Holy Father is just a sign post to it. I pray that St. Therese plea to Jesus Christ on your behalf so that you realised that the kingdom of God is at hand.Even if the Pope is called Names it will not change the fact that he always come with Good News about the kingdom.His July 2008 visit to Australia is a testimony of this.God Bless us all.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Bela Primus Bebang,

Just what we need; another brainwashed and rambling religious fanatic. Which good news is the Pope bringing to Cameroon? the good news of debts? haven't you read that it is Cameroonian tax payers who are going finance this lavish visit from the Pope? and since when is it logical for the Church to tax the people of a poor country with a soaring unemployment rate and use the money to finace the Pope's tourist trip? and how is the Pope's message different from what Catholic priests are preaching in Cameroon everyday? isn't it the same Bible?

and since your Pope cares for your welfare so much, you should ask him why he hasn't criticized the Biya regime for it's massacres and corruption excesses. What is indeed the role of the church? is it just to recite lines from the Bible? if the Pope had the best interest of his "subjects" at hand, he would have vehemently criticized the Biya regime for its brutish and dictatorial politics. But it is easier for people like you to praise the activities of the Church and the Pope because you are not the one starving or lacking a job. You get fat from church money and you want to protect that legacy.

It amazes me to see how Africans are so fascinated with the church and the Pope. An institution that will never ever elect a non-white leader, yet we colored people we so enthusiastic to embrace their ways. An institution which doesn't regard you as an equal, yet you call it home. Idiots!!

...and while you pray to St. Therese, tell her to end poverty in AFRICA and also tell her to tell the Pope to criticize his fellow religious leader who said the holocaust never happened. SMH at the cults we exalt.

Bela Primus Bebang

United States of Africa as you call urself,

Come out of your Shell and think Like a wise man who has a vision for his country.The name you mention as yours does not reflect you at all!! because I am a Pan-Africanist and that is not how we call to reason although your opinion count........

Have you not been reading the Bishops letter of Cameroon to all????

Have u ever reflected on the Themes of these Episcopal letters and content?? I think you have to read further and stop castigating your own ignorance and throwing abuses in public.Read the book of Prof. North that led to His Nobel Peace Prize and gain more inspiration..
Check the History of Popes in google after St. Peter and you will be taken aback to know that Africans and blacks have been Popes in the early church and will continue to be so my friend stop pontificating!!

Do you actually undertand the Concerpt of a State?? Do you know differences between Political Market and Economic Market??
Man we need a better Cameroon and Africa and not those who will dwell on sentiments and abuse others in your very ignorance.Rememeber Africa can only be what Africans and its friends want Africa to be(Mwalimu George Ngwane)So let's try to be focus and Make the Cameroonian people know that nothing last forever and we should all get ready for change.
NB! I get Fat from my scholarly work and always there to support the Church of God okay??

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Bele Primus Bebang

religious dogma is your prescription for a prosperous Cameroon and Africa? hahaha. That is indeed laughable. Africa is where she is today because of religious dogma. Once we get into Class 1, our teachers, pastors, parents and society discourage us from thinking. Anyone who dares to question anything in the bible or the ways of the society is thoroughly flogged and told they will go to hell. We start believing in everything we are taught and refuse to question anything...we don't ask questions like who published the bible? who selected the books in the bible? why were some books denied publication and recognition? where is the original version of the bible? if the Bible is indeed the gospel TRUTH why do the synoptic gospels tell different?accounts of the life of Jesus? why has the Catholic Church never elected an a non-anglo saxon Pope? etc etc Reasoning is discouraged thanks to religious dogma and complacency is exalted. Anyone who dares to question the norm is threatened with stories of HELL.

As long as we have people like you, Bela Primus, in Africa you best believe that Africa will never ever progress.

Bela Primus Bebang

My fellow country man,
It is all fun for me starting spring with such a mistaken assertion of my personality and what I stand for. hahahaha.

I think I will send some of my publications for you to read and know more about my dynamic & realistic stand to issues relating on our beloved Africa

I wish Lambert Mbom answer your questions relating to Synoptic Gospels and it related problems because he is an expert in it. I guess u r willing to know more.

Wishing the Pope a Hitch free trip to our beloved Nation. God Bless Cameroon.

Danny Boy

Mr. Primus Bebang,
it saddens me to know that there are still many like you out there who will keep on believing in Heaven, Angels, Saints etc. These are a figment of the Whiteman's imagination. He, the whiteman has since moved on.
What indeed is wrong with the black race? We do not want to let go of their bible, why? why? why?
Is it any wonder why the Whiteman treats us today as an inferior race? We can not even think logically and make radical judgements for ourselves!
I feel sorry for my race.
Danny Boy.

Bela Primus Bebang

Danny Boy,
I am most proud of my race. Do you know that blacks our coming to the Whiteman land to evangelized them?.A case in Piont is at my current Diocese.

Do you know that Africa needs to publish extensively or perish according to Aloysius Agendia the veteran Journalist from Cameroon currently in Sweden for further studies??

Do you know that once you are bright and smart and lived/work with the whites they forget about the colour of your skin and treats you normally.

Do you know that the brain child behind the internet is from Africa(9ja)

To a greater extent the 'I have a dream' speech of Martin Luther Kings is becoming a reality as black folks are now judge by the content of their character and not the colour of their skin.
I understand some differences will always crop up but I am very Proud of My Race.

When you become bitter and critical ... appeal to 1 Corinthians 13 10.
Mr Publisher I have spoken.
God Bless the Human race.

Danny Boy

Primus,
Tim Berners Lee, an Englishman, is credited with the invention of the internet!
In your delusion, you can go and sell snow to the Eskimo! How very odd and may I refer you to a just concluded debate on this forum--Pastor Massock and his Kingdom of Darkness. One is tired, frankly.

"Do you know that once you are bright and smart and lived/work with the whites they forget about the colour of your skin and treats you normally."

Are you kidding?
Be careful Bro or you will soon be dead like our brother who recently passed away in Poland. May his soul rest in peace.

Good luck.

Danny Boy.

Klemenceau

Is the Pope bringing money to the poor an unemployed, the subjugated and imprisoned Cameroonians in Cameroon? If so then he is welcomed.
If he is not coming with any of the above, then he should not be welcomed. Cameroonians are poor and unemployed, yet the church and Biya want to spend tax payers money in sponsoring the pope's visit to Cameroon!!!! The papacy has more than enough to sponsor the pope. Let him sponsor his visits and the christians will offer whatever they can when he visits as appreciation. Apart from that visiting a sick and hungry person and asking him for FOOD makes no sense.
Danny Boy, I don't sincerely think "The Bible" is the problem. Instead the "Word of God" is a channel through which Africans can stop witch-hunting, and various ills plaguing the continent. It is unfortunate the Church and some so called men of God are using the bible for their own interest. But that is what the devil does.
Shalom
Klemenceau

CountryFowl

These issues should be place on the table for discussion.




Sex claims against US Church rise




Pope



The number of new claims of sexual abuse made against US Roman Catholic priests rose by 16% to more than 800 last year, a Church report says.


It says the Church paid $436m (£313m) in 2008 for abuse cases. Most of the money was used to compensate victims.
The study covered almost 200 dioceses and religious orders across the US.
It found that more than one in five victims were under the age of 10 when they were abused.
Although the number of claims made against the Church rose in 2008, the total cost dropped by 29% compared to the previous year.
The Associated Press news agency said 2007 was an unusually high year, when the Archdiocese of Los Angeles began paying a $660m settlement to about 500 people.
The annual review tracks progress made in implementing the Charter for the Protection of Children, adopted by US bishops following a scandal in Boston in 2002.
Cardinal Francis George of Chicago said the Church was "on the right path" in its quest to better protect "all children in society".

CountryFowl

It is only the tip of the Iceberg.

More issues to discuss.

ANGLICAN CHURCH, CANADA TO SHARE NATIVE INDIAN ABUSE CASE COST.
Publication: Liability & Insurance Week
Date: Monday, November 25 2002

The government of Canada agreed Nov. 20 to share with the Anglican Church of Canada the cost of settling over 12,000 claims filed by native Indians about systematic physical and mental abuse at boarding schools funded by the government and run by the Roman Catholic, Anglican, United and Presbyterian


churches.

Under the agreement, the Anglican Church would have its liability capped at $16 million (U.S.) so it is not forced into bankruptcy.
The government will pay 70 percent of the claims up to the point the liability costs reach $16 million, and 100 percent if the liability costs total more than $16 million.
The agreement must still be ratified by the church's 30 dioceses in Canada.
Of the claims filed so far, the Roman Catholic Church, which ran most of the school, is named in 73 percent of the claims, the Anglican Church in 18 percent, the United Church in 8 percent and the Presbyterian Church in about 1 percent.
Ralph Goodale, the Canadian minister responsible for resolving the claims, said he did not know if the Roman Catholic, United and Presbyterian churches would agree to the same formula. If so, the churches collectively would be liable for $89 million and the Canadian government for $206 million.

CountryFowl


Mr. Bela Primus Bebang,

Here are some issues for you to reflect on, and if you so desire you can help us here on the forum to discuss them honestly, maybe you have some inside knowledge of the church and its godly ways which we do not yet know...!!!


The church, specifically the Catholic church for example has been in Africa for over 400-500-600 years today perhaps.
The African has been assimilated either partially or completely. We could say the African mind is already conditioned in that context.

In life, relationships between individuals or societies when meaningful are often 50 / 50 percent both ways, in this context we may then ask a few reciprocal issues from the church and the pope.

For example can you help us to find some answers to these simple questions.....??

1. Will the pope accept an invitation to do a Mbag'lum dance, as a sign of his friendship, love and brotherhood with the people he is visiting...?
If the answer is no, what can be the possible reasons for his refusal...?

2. Eating together is a big and important African tradition, will the pope or any of his entourage accept an invitation to visit any of our grand mothers say at Nta'tum and be willing to share a dish of foufou & njamajama, or Achu & N' kanda or water foufou & ero...?
If the answer is no what can be the possible reasons for his refusal to show his solidarity with us.


3. Will the Vatican accept a permanent emissary and cultural representative from our Kom or Nso or Mamfe, Wimbum, Nkamne, Ewondo, Nkwen, Bali, or Awing Juju Dance groups..? to stay and teach Italian children our way of life and culture, so there is a better and deeper understanding of the Africans..?

4. Will the pope or any of his entourage be prepared to visit a N'tang [local hut], eat some roasted maize and groundnuts, or feel the smoke from within the hut..?? so he can experienced first hand our traditional way of life and take along with him to Italy some smoked fish...???

5. We know everything there is to know about the pope's culture, we know his bible, his mother tongue, absolutely everything there is to know under the sun, but does the pope or his brother know anything about such simple things as Nja' niki...?? Nke'te-Nke'te...?? Soya..??. They may seem trivial, but these are some of the things that make life meaningful for some of the people that the pope seeks to proselytize...!!!!

6. Mr. Bela, you speak English, possibly French and maybe another 3rd or 4th European language, if you come to the pope's land or that of his brothers, it is a prerequisite that you "MUST" speak his tongue, understand his way of life before you can even eat...!!!
Can the pope speak one word of Mungaka for example...?? or Nkwen, Bulu, Douala or any other local African tongue..? lets say Swahili or Lingala or Xhosa...???
If the answer is a no, why is this so...????


CountryFowl

Mr. Bela Primus Bebang,

Perhaps it is good for you to know that your present pope was once a Hitler youth & a Nazi soldier, he only deserted his post sometime around 1945.

You should also know that Ratzinger has not really been honest completely with his past and his relationship with the Nazis..!!

Is it any wonder that he gleefully uplifted the ex-communication of an anti-semitic bishop...???

Nevertheless, anyone is free to decide what they want to belief in or do not belief in, even if that means an idolatrous worship of another human being and perhaps the devil itself, who knows...!!!!!

Good luck to you.

Bela Primus Bebang

Klemenceau,

We need visioner thinkers like you for a better Cameroon. I wish others understood you as much as I did.

Mr. Countryfowl,being multilangual is what the Holy Mother Church tries to promote especially among it clergymen.

We should on our part try to promote our own languages by writing,publishing and teaching our children in them. It is our identtity and pride.

The Pope followers/fans all speak the common language of Love.Charity begins at home let's try to buffer what we think is good for our people and all other things will be added upon it.

We welcome our Pope with Open hands.

CountryFowl

Mr. Bela Primus Bebang wrote;

" The Pope followers/fans all speak the common language of Love.Charity begins at home let's try to buffer what we think is good for our people and all other things will be added upon it. "

That is a good point you have raise above. But it does not really answer the above posting which I posted before.

Is this the love that the Church has for Children...???

These are your words:
" The Pope followers/fans all speak the common language of Love. "

Contrast what you are emphasizing again and again with all the atrocities that is taking place day in day out....!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-------------------------------------------

The number of new claims of sexual abuse made against US Roman Catholic priests rose by 16% to more than 800 last year, a Church report says.


It says the Church paid $436m (£313m) in 2008 for abuse cases. Most of the money was used to compensate victims.
The study covered almost 200 dioceses and religious orders across the US.
It found that more than one in five victims were under the age of 10 when they were abused.
Although the number of claims made against the Church rose in 2008, the total cost dropped by 29% compared to the previous year.
The Associated Press news agency said 2007 was an unusually high year, when the Archdiocese of Los Angeles began paying a $660m settlement to about 500 people.
The annual review tracks progress made in implementing the Charter for the Protection of Children, adopted by US bishops following a scandal in Boston in 2002.
Cardinal Francis George of Chicago said the Church was "on the right path" in its quest to better protect "all children in society".


CountryFowl

Mr. Bela Primus Bebang wrote;

" The Pope followers/fans all speak the common language of Love.Charity begins at home let's try to buffer what we think is good for our people and all other things will be added upon it. "

Please, Mr. Bela Primus Bebang,

Can you take a look at this below...!!!!!!!

It found that more than one in five victims were under the age of 10 when they were abused.

What does it tell you about your pope and his church...??
We have not even touched Asia, Africa or Europe even.

Do you know a little of the history of your own CHURCH...!!!!!

These have to be addressed eventually as it is being done in sensible societies today.

Someday there will be no HIDING place for this church or for it's leaders.

Stephen S S

Hi, some say the last two visits of his Emminence Pope John Paul 2nd left Cameroon in serious crises. Maybe the situation would have been worse if the Papal had not been there, remember "Footprints". As for the visit of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI, who are we to judge Him. Remember as Christians that even some of Jesus` disciples were converts and we just have to pray and hope that the Papal comes with enough blessings to uplift the sufferings and pain of the millions of Cameroonians living below what i`ll call the poverty level meanwhile a few thounsand delabitate and squanders our National resourses.
Let the Almighty God be the judge to all and above all let`s pray and hope for ever lasting peace.
Stephen S S

Bob Bristol

Stephen,

We've come of age to sheepishly accept the dogma of any religion that affect state's affairs. At individual level, believe even in the stick behind your farm house; that's your business. But when tax payer's money is used to support any project (such as the Pope's visit) which I am not in accordance with, then a logical argument needs to be advanced.

As somebody pointed above, when a rich person pays a visit to a patient and expects the patient to offer him food, critical thinkers must raise eyebrow. What significant steps has the Vatican taken towards conflict resolution in Africa.

Please believe in your Pope but know that my hard earned money, as a tax payer, is not only being misused, but I stand the chance of being harassed by my fellow compatriots who have been transformed to thieves because of the economic hardship that the misused fund has caused.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

"1. Will the pope accept an invitation to do a Mbag'lum dance, as a sign of his friendship, love and brotherhood with the people he is visiting...?
If the answer is no, what can be the possible reasons for his refusal...?

2. Eating together is a big and important African tradition, will the pope or any of his entourage accept an invitation to visit any of our grand mothers say at Nta'tum and be willing to share a dish of foufou & njamajama, or Achu & N' kanda or water foufou & ero...?
If the answer is no what can be the possible reasons for his refusal to show his solidarity with us.


3. Will the Vatican accept a permanent emissary and cultural representative from our Kom or Nso or Mamfe, Wimbum, Nkamne, Ewondo, Nkwen, Bali, or Awing Juju Dance groups..? to stay and teach Italian children our way of life and culture, so there is a better and deeper understanding of the Africans..?

4. Will the pope or any of his entourage be prepared to visit a N'tang [local hut], eat some roasted maize and groundnuts, or feel the smoke from within the hut..?? so he can experienced first hand our traditional way of life and take along with him to Italy some smoked fish...???

5. We know everything there is to know about the pope's culture, we know his bible, his mother tongue, absolutely everything there is to know under the sun, but does the pope or his brother know anything about such simple things as Nja' niki...?? Nke'te-Nke'te...?? Soya..??. They may seem trivial, but these are some of the things that make life meaningful for some of the people that the pope seeks to proselytize...!!!!

6. Mr. Bela, you speak English, possibly French and maybe another 3rd or 4th European language, if you come to the pope's land or that of his brothers, it is a prerequisite that you "MUST" speak his tongue, understand his way of life before you can even eat...!!!
Can the pope speak one word of Mungaka for example...?? or Nkwen, Bulu, Douala or any other local African tongue..? lets say Swahili or Lingala or Xhosa...???
If the answer is a no, why is this so...????


Posted by: CountryFowl | Saturday, 14 March 2009 at 03:49 AM "


Well said CountryFowl, very well said.

Radicalbrother

My Lord and my God, why hath thou forsaken your children in Cameroon? Why should you allow some one who is at the fore front of a religion that has killed even its own followers to visit us at a time when the masses are wallowing in abject poverty and misery? No why why why?
Evil prosper because good men do nothing. I must pause here to remind us that the motive why the pope decided to first of all visit Cameroon is obscured.some say the first German missionaries to Africa first landed at Victoria in Cameroon. Others are of the opinion that it is because of the political stability of the country that has attracted him. Could it not have been more hourable if he turned down the invitation given to him by Biya on the grounds that he is a dictator? BIRDS OF A FEATHER FLOCK TOGEHTER
It should be recalled that pope John Paul II visited Cameroon in 1985 and 1995 where he went away with millions. Infact people paid closed to 300.000 Frs in order to have a hand shake with him. Show me the place in the Bible which says Jesus Christ received money from people who wanted to greet him if the pope is representing Jesus on earth.This present pope was one of the entourage and surely saw how Cameroonians are easily deceived and that is why he is coming back. If the pope is not coming with a relief package to cameroon, he must be coming to take one from Cameroon. This is the Nazi man who out of excitement made certain foolish statments about the Moslem religion and he was called to order. YET HE IS RIGHTEOUS Hopefully he was being inspired by God to blunder--- HYPOCITES
So we will only renovate our stadium,streets beause and idiot is coming to visit us: What about the temporal business structures to which some people depend for their daily bread that have been destroyed in the city of Yaounde because of the four day visit of this sinner? What will this people do after the visit?
We will indeed be blessed with poverty when he comes and go and bigot in this forum who he does not even know will be there praisng him.
Could his plane crash in the air to redeem Cameroonians of the millions he is coming to estort?
GOD SAVE CAMEROONIANS FROM THE HANDS OF THESE INFIDELS

UnitedstatesofAfrica

"GOD SAVE CAMEROONIANS FROM THE HANDS OF THESE INFIDELS" - Radicalbrother

I am sorry to burst your bubble but god left Africa a long time ago...as early as the 14th century. Only you can save yourself...stop waiting on god to do it.

Radicalbrother

FUND RAISING STRATEGIES OF THE POPE
1)Through the sales of T- Shirts, caps,head ties bearing his pictures etc to poor Cameroonians at exhobitant prices
2.Offerings that will be collected during the preaching
3)Through prayer requests in the form of masses; Any body or organisation willing to request for a special mass must pay heavily before such a mass takes place
4) Through registrations. Those who intend to be at the stadium must obtain tickets before they can see the pope
5)Through handshake; He who wants to greet the pope by hand shake will pay heavily for that act ETC ETC ETC
Now Cameroonians OF GOOD WILL, why should this visit take place?If at all he succeeds in the visit, some one out there should help me remind him that Tonye Bakot borrowed money from the Fotso group and pledged the Basilica at Mvoleye and the Central Catholic church in Yaounde as collateral security.
Infact this pope wants to milk Camerronians to death.

CountryFowl

Cameroonian President Paul Biya, left, walks with Pope Benedict XVI at the airport in Yaounde, Tuesday.

Two Royal Devils....?

Two Royal Devils

(CNN) -- Pope Benedict XVI refused Wednesday to soften the Vatican's ban on condom use as he arrived in Africa for
his first visit to the continent as pope.
He landed in Cameroon, the first stop on a trip that will also take him to Angola.

Sub-Saharan Africa has been hit harder by AIDS and HIV than any other region of the world, according to the United Nations and World Health Organization.
There has been fierce debate between those who advocate the use of condoms to help stop the spread of the epidemic and those who oppose it.

The pontiff reiterated the Vatican's policy on condom use as he flew from Rome to Yaounde, the capital of Cameroon, CNN Vatican analyst John Allen said.

Pope Benedict has always made it clear he intends to uphold the traditional Catholic teaching on artificial contraception --
a "clear moral prohibition" -- Allen said. But his remarks Tuesday were among the first times he stated the policy explicitly since he became pope nearly four years ago.

He has, however, assembled a panel of scientists and theologians to consider the narrow question of whether to allow condoms for married couples,
one of whom has HIV, the virus that causes AIDS.

It is still not clear how the pope will rule on the matter, said Allen, who is also a senior correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter.

The Catholic Church has long been on the front line of HIV care, he said, adding that it is probably the largest private provider of HIV care in the world.

More than 22 million people in sub-Saharan Africa are infected with HIV, according to a 2008 UNAIDS/WHO report. Nine out of 10 children with HIV in the
world live in the region, which has 11.4 million orphans because of AIDS, the report said, and 1.5 million people there died of

CountryFowl

These are the actual issues which this guy should be addressing.

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(Reuters) - Details of the recent sexual abuse scandals and related developments affecting the U.S. Roman Catholic Church:

* 1984 - Abuse scandals in Louisiana begin to attract attention leading freelance journalist Jason Berry to shed new light on the issue of cover-ups. His 1992 book "Lead Us Not into Temptation" contends 400 priests and brothers were involved in abuse cases during the previous eight years in North America.

* January 2002 - The Boston Globe reports 130 people were abused by former priest John Geoghan during three decades where he was reassigned rather than removed from contact with young boys. The Boston scandal starts to grow from there.

* April 2002 - U.S. cardinals called to Rome to meet with Pope John Paul II on the issue; in June 2002 the bishops approve plan for dealing with abuse, calling for accused offenders to be removed from ministerial duties pending investigation and evaluation.

* December 2002 - Boston's Cardinal Bernard Law, the most senior Roman Catholic official in the United States, resigns over his handling of clergy sexual abuse.

* September 2003 - The Boston Archdiocese agrees to pay up to $85 million to settle lawsuits filed by hundreds of people who say they were sexually abused by clergy.

* February 2004 - U.S. bishops issue report on abuse of children by priests over 52 years beginning in 1950. It finds 10,667 people accused priests of child sexual abuse from 1950 through 2002, and more than 17 percent of the accusers had siblings who were also allegedly abused.

* July-December 2004 - The dioceses of Portland, Oregon; Tucson, Arizona; and Spokane, Washington, become the first to file for bankruptcy protection in the face of growing abuse-related claims and suits.

* June 2005 - The Archdiocese of San Francisco and its insurance carriers announce payment of $21 million to 15 people to settle lawsuits charging sexual abuse.

* February 2006 - The Diocese of Covington, which covers a large area of Kentucky, settles abuse claims for $85 million.

* July 2007 - The Archdiocese of Los Angeles agrees to pay $660 million to 500 victims of sexual abuse dating back as far as the 1940s in the largest compensation deal of its kind.

* December 2007 - A lay body appointed to oversee efforts to end abuse says nearly all dioceses have complied with an audit to make sure they have protective measures in place; warns that "prevention, healing and vigilance will be demanded for the rest of our days."

(Editing by Bill Trott)

Br. Brendane Tombir from Nairobi

when it comes to moral issues the church does not bargain especially when the effects are quite evident. The church is very clear when it comes to fidelity and purity of the body. She is also aware that there is a great epidemic which is sweeping accross Africa in the name of HIV. The need to see this epidemic eradicated is one of the church's priority.
I do believe the pope owes no apology anyone or to any organisation for the statement he made concerning the use of condom in eradicating the HIV pandemic. He spoke the mind of the church and I think he has spoken so well. If he condorns to the use of condom that means he is encouraging infidelity. In short the pope was very right in his statement.

Ma Mary

Brother Brendane is a true believer, no doubt! I read the following this morning from a serious person, who seems to be a believer too. Since the church cares so much about life and the purity of the body, where was it when the bodies of a million Bamileke people were being tortured and murdered? Please, Read on:

Why Pope Benedict Chose Cameroon
The attached letter which was addressed to Pope Benedict by Lambert Mbom was culled from the Frontier Telegraph. It is indeed a very powerful document which will be carefully studied by the Vatican after the Pope returns to Rome because they will ask themselves what this letter really means. I urge everyone to read it carefully.
Many people have been wondering why the Pope chose Cameroon to effect his first visit to Africa. My personal belief is that the Vatican is fully informed about what is really going on in Cameroon. They are aware of the fact that the demon has taken full control of the country. You might say that the purpose of the visit is to try and exorcise the demon from that country.
Predictions have been made by various people who are having apocalyptic visions of blood and conflict engulfing that country. Throughout the history of humanity the advent of catastrophe has always been foreseen by those who have the gift of "seeing" and premonition. That is what is happening now.
But at the level of laymen we already know that the first genocide on the African continent took place in Bamilekeland from 1962-1966. Anyone who was old enough to travel from Bamenda to Douala through East Cameroun between 1962-1966 must have seen the decapitated heads of "maquisards" mounted on poles along the roadside in many places in Bamilekeland. That was just the tip of the iceberg of a genocide that was taking place under instructions from the Ahidjo Government against the Bamileke people.
According to francophone intelligentsia, the total death toll was up to 1,000, 000. The figures pale in comparison to what happened in Rwanda in 1994. The numbers are so staggering because the genocide was the work of a heavily armed brigade of the French army under the command of a certain General Max "the Viking" Briand and a certain Col Jean Lamberton. This armored brigade ravaged whole Bamileke villages with the support of aircraft dropping napalm.
They considered the Bamileke people as a "pinching pebble" (cailloux genant) in the shoe of the Cameroun people who were marching towards their independence. Hence their mission was to remove this pinching pebble from the shoe. Translation: wipe them out completely! That is why it is known that their official mission was genocide.
This genocide has remained concealed and the authors are still around, in power and have benefited from impunity. They are in the corridors of power in Yaoundé and can be found in large numbers in the senior ranks of the Cameroonian armed forces. When such a crime against humanity goes unreported and unpunished it always leads to a repeat of the same crime. Everything happening in Cameroun today revolves around this crime which has remained unreported and unpunished.
One of the reasons why the crime has remained concealed is because along the line, the silence of the Bamileke people was bought with the promise of a freehand in the field of business. In other words the Bamileke people were told by the Ahidjo regime that if they keep quiet, they will be given broad freedom in running their businesses of "buyam sellam", leaving the problem of government and political power to the Ahidjo Regime. To this extent there is a complicity of silence between the Bamileke people and those who are in power.
What the people in power did not anticipate is that the Bamileke people will not only become extremely rich through business, but that through the practice of polygamy they would multiply and become a dominant force demographically as well. The advent of democracy has made the Bamileke people interested in political power because they have two things which can propel them to power: money and people numbers. To this extent, the Bamileke people now constitute a nightmare-come-true for those who committed genocide against them from 1962-66. The holders of political power consider that the current appetite of the Bamileke people for political power is a betrayal of the tacit agreement reached for the purpose of concealment of genocide. That is why in the event of conflict, the Bamileke people will be the first target.
It is ironical that up to the present day, the average Bamileke man does not yet understand that they were targeted for genocide by the de Gaulle and Ahidjo governments because of reunification. They believe that they were targeted by France simply because the French hate them and are either fearful or jealous of their enterprising spirit. Nothing could be further from the truth.
The real reason is that having failed to prevent the arrival of John Ngu Foncha and his uninvited guests of 1 million Southern Cameroonians, (remember that de Gaulle and Ahidjo voted against UN GA Resolution 1608 (XV) of April 21 1961) the governments of President Charles de Gaulle and President Ahmadou Ahidjo were left with no choice but to target the Bamileke people for elimination in order to reduce the Anglo-Bami group as a demographic threat to the Ahidjo regime.
The second complicating factor is the rise of the separatist movement in the British Southern Cameroons.
· In spite of the unceremonious removal of John Ngu Foncha as Vice President of the Federal Republic of Cameroon in 1966;
· In spite of the dissolution of all political parties and the creation of the CNU in 1969 under the total control of Ahmadou Ahidjo;
· In spite of the proscription of the Federal Republic of Cameroon and the introduction of the unitary state in 1972;
· In spite of the name change from "United Republic of Cameroun" to simply "Republic of Cameroon" in 1984;
· In spite of the "victory" in the Bakassi case against Nigeria in October 2002;
· In spite of the Greentree Agreement and the stamp of Kofi Anan on this document which confers the sovereignty over the Bakassi Peninsula on La République du Cameroun;
The Biya government is facing a separatist movement which is stronger than ever. That is why in the event of conflict, the people of the Southern Cameroons will be the second target.
The government in Yaoundé cannot envisage la République du Cameroun without the Southern Cameroons because without the Southern Cameroons, la République du Cameroun will become a worthless piece of real estate just like the Southern Cameroons which was predicted by the Sidney Philipson Report of 1958. Indeed la République du Cameroun will be back to the war-torn country that it was prior to reunification.
Let me summarize what I a trying to tell you. The government in Yaoundé committed a crime of genocide against the Bamileke people and the authors of the crime are still around and in power in Yaoundé today. The only reason why they cannot face the International Criminal Tribunal is because the statutes of this Court state that it can only hear cases dating from 2002 onwards. In other words, there is a statute of limitations on crimes committed by the Yaoundé government prior to 2002. In the dying days of the Biya Regime, this government is facing the threat from the Bamileke people who now have the powers of numbers and money and are interested in political power in Yaoundé. The Biya regime knows that if they lose this epic struggle, the truth about the genocide will come out and the consequences will be incalculable. The French government is also afraid of this outcome because this is a crime of genocide in which France played a direct role and the involvement of French politicians can be traced right to the desk of President Charles de Gaulle.
At the same time, the Biya regime is under the threat of a separatist movement from the British Southern Cameroons which is not interested in seeking power in Yaoundé. But the problem is that an independent Southern Cameroons will walk away with something without which la République du Cameroun will practically cease to exist as a viable state.
It is because of this epic struggle, which could lead the Beti-Fulani coalition to lose political power in Yaoundé that we are starring in the face of a potential bloodbath in Cameroon. The Vatican is usually well informed about what is happening in countries where there is a substantial Christian population.
It is known that during the genocide against the Bamileke people, Christian school buildings were used to house the French Army which was going around killing people in Bamileke land. The church in French Cameroon has never explained itself on this. They also know about the role of Archbishop Ndongmo in the final days of the crushing of the Bamileke rebellion in 1970.
Yes. They know. And that is why Pope Benedict chose to come to Cameroon. And I hope against hope that his visit can make a difference. But I also fear that it may not make any difference because those who are in power still believe that the Holy Father came to sanctify them rather than to exorcise the devil.
Dr. Susungi

Ma Mary

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2265461/Cameroun-Genocide-Complaint-With-English-Press-Release

Ras Tuge

Well,i am elated that even the most stupid of Cameroonians,or better-still Africans has finally come to realise what the Supreme Hoodlum,and his haunted church think about Africans.Remember,i was the first in this debate to challenge Samba Tata's article,and i urged every single African child to sever that unholy infatuation with the spurious Catholic church.I even insisted that all normal African children should express abject disappointment,and even some acrimony against the pope whom i thoughtfully referred to as perhaps Africa's most lugubrous guest.Now,was i right or wrong?I've got to tell you my African brothers and sisters,the pope and his church have never addressed our traditional African values.Infact these Vatican criminals have manipulatively preyed in perpetuity over our vulnerability over the years,in their malicious quest to expand the spiritual vapidity of their extortionist doctrine.Roman catholicism has been overtly disavowed and rejected in Europe because the westerners have unravelled the secrets of the Vatican treachery.Sadly,catholicism seems to be gaining grounds in Africa.I would personally characterise this ubiquitous presence of the catholic mission in the primitive continent as a terrible aspect of expansion by our very own ignorant invitation.It was quite disturbing for me to watch pictures of the pope's visit on BBC,i must confess.It was even more disturbing to see our learned people bowing to a devil from whom they somehow seemed to expect some kind of prophecy!Worse yet,was the fact that some ignorant Cameroonian priests claimed that it was time for Africa to re-evangelize Europe.So sad indeed.Europeans have moved on a long time ago,and Africans need to urgently revisit their superstitious cultural past.The pope cannot teach Africans anything about salvation,and i have the deep-rooted conviction that all our superstitious fore-fathers are wining and dining with the Almighty Jah.Africa is just too foolishly vulnerable,and the Supreme Hoodlum is abrest of that fact just to well.Why doesn't he evangelise China,or the Middle-East,for instance?Has the pope ever addressed the satanic slavery,or colonialism?Has the Vatican ever considered ways of alleviating the sufferings of the millions of its pitiful followers who wallow in misery,and live in spurious conditions,while catholic priests live in wanton extravagance?It might sound callous,but i waged a war against the pope because i can't afford to see Africans continue to be dragged in the gutter for eternity.Africans should learn to be imaginative,and to think for themselves,and to realise that no church can award you salvation.Until Africans realise that they can reach the promise land only by seizing their salvation from Jah hands by themselves,the tragedy will obviously see even more disturbing proliferation.Nonetheless,i encourage all Africans to read Dan Brown's book;Angels and Demonds,which has been adapted into a movie of same title.The movie is a sequel to the Da Vinci Code,and opens the 15th of May.The book is an eye openner,and it is the more reason why the Catholic League has waged a serious campaign against the contents of the book.The League criticizes Brown,and the film director of demonizing the Catholic church.There are plenty of things about the Catholic church vis-a-vis Africa that Africans ought to know.I think the pope already started revealing some with such a frightening

Ras Tuge

Well,i am elated that even the most stupid of Cameroonians,or better-still Africans has finally come to realise what the Supreme Hoodlum,and his haunted church think about Africans.Remember,i was the first in this debate to challenge Samba Tata's article,and i urged every single African child to sever that unholy infatuation with the spurious Catholic church.I even insisted that all normal African children should express abject disappointment,and even some acrimony against the pope whom i thoughtfully referred to as perhaps Africa's most lugubrous guest.Now,was i right or wrong?I've got to tell you my African brothers and sisters,the pope and his church have never addressed our traditional African values.Infact these Vatican criminals have manipulatively preyed in perpetuity over our vulnerability over the years,in their malicious quest to expand the spiritual vapidity of their extortionist doctrine.Roman catholicism has been overtly disavowed and rejected in Europe because the westerners have unravelled the secrets of the Vatican treachery.Sadly,catholicism seems to be gaining grounds in Africa.I would personally characterise this ubiquitous presence of the catholic mission in the primitive continent as a terrible aspect of expansion by our very own ignorant invitation.It was quite disturbing for me to watch pictures of the pope's visit on BBC,i must confess.It was even more disturbing to see our learned people bowing to a devil from whom they somehow seemed to expect some kind of prophecy!Worse yet,was the fact that some ignorant Cameroonian priests claimed that it was time for Africa to re-evangelize Europe.So sad indeed.Europeans have moved on a long time ago,and Africans need to urgently revisit their superstitious cultural past.The pope cannot teach Africans anything about salvation,and i have the deep-rooted conviction that all our superstitious fore-fathers are wining and dining with the Almighty Jah.Africa is just too foolishly vulnerable,and the Supreme Hoodlum is abrest of that fact just too well.Why doesn't he evangelise China,or the Middle-East,for instance?Has the pope ever addressed the satanic slavery,or colonialism?Has the Vatican ever considered ways of alleviating the sufferings of the millions of its pitiful followers who wallow in misery,and live in spurious conditions,while catholic priests live in wanton extravagance?It might sound callous,but i waged a war against the pope because i can't afford to see Africans continue to be dragged in the gutter for eternity.Africans should learn to be imaginative,and to think for themselves,and to realise that no church can award you salvation.Until Africans realise that they can reach the promise land only by seizing their salvation from Jah hands by themselves,the tragedy will obviously witness even more disturbing proliferation.Nonetheless,i encourage all Africans to read Dan Brown's book;Angels and Demonds,which has been adapted into a movie of same title.The movie is a sequel to the Da Vinci Code,and opens the 15th of May.The book is an eye openner,and it is the more reason why the Catholic League has waged a serious campaign against the contents of the book.The League criticizes Brown,and the film director of demonizing the Catholic church.There are plenty of things about the Catholic church vis-a-vis Africa that Africans ought to know.I think the pope already started revealing some with such a frightening freudian slip about condom usage.

Ras Tuge

Ma Mary,
I am glad that you finally realised,and acknowledged the fact that the Supreme Hoodlum is quite abrest of the Cameroonian tragedy.I just don't know why it took you so long to figure this out.Nevertheless,i wonder why you still think of Biya as more of a demon than the celestial devil who has both blessed and enabled Biya's perpetual regime to fluorish for a staggering twenty six years!Demons don't exorcise demons,they are birds of the same feathers,hence they flock tightly together like a ball and chain.Read Angels and Demons by Dan Brown,and emancipate yourself.

Mac

In Amos 3:3 we read thus,"Can Two walk together except they be agree?" Paul and Benedic are in one accord;
They are both thieves
they are killers
they both are lazy folks who use the lives of men to enrich themselves
they both use election malpractices to be where they are (remember pope's election was done twice.
they are all old men with no conscience.
Cameroon is being ruled by a devil, not a living somebody.
Yes. Pope and Paul Bya can walk together, they are both against life.

Radicalbrother

The only man of God who visits the sick and go away with a gift is Pope Benedict xvi

Ma Mary

Ras Tuge: I do not endorse Christianism in any of its manifestations, including the variety pushed by Brown in his best selling books. They are all mind control impositions. When I ask Benedict to excommunicate Paul, it is tongue-in-cheek, because I know it will never happen. The church almost invariably bends to power and wealth, but can be very hard and inflexible on the poor and powerless, especially when they defiantly decide to think for themselves and plot their own course. The best thing Africans can do for themselves is to marginalize the role of the dangerous middle eastern ideologies called islamism and christianism in their minds or adapt them to serve our ends.

altruist

UnitedstatesofAfrica, I think I would like to connect. We are thesame line of reasoning and thinking. Can you pls hit me a line via cnngwa(att)yahoo(dot)com?
Much respect

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