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Monday, 15 June 2009

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Edmond Nsheuko

This is a sad reality that we tend sometimes to overlook. Cameroon is loosing its best resources, its intellectual resources. It’s a shame but it is quite real. The country has been messed up so bad, there are no more opportunities. It is not a surprise if every single Cameroonian now dreams of “bush falling”. Personally, I still believe however, that this is just a temporary situation. Sooner or later we will need to reclaim back our country and get rid of the corruption and mismanagement that is plaguing this beautiful nation.

Steven

Edmond, so you think this is a temporary situation? How long has this been? Since this fool took over power?

While you think that, I will encourage everyone who can to leave that messy place. No one deserves to live in that corrupt place. Just like the doctor said,life is about the pursuit of happiness.

If people want to call us unpatriotic because we left, then so be it. I have been in the U.S for 7 years, have an excellent job and a proud citizen of the United States. Everyone should seek happiness wherever they can find it.

Edmond Nsheuko

Steven, I understand what your point. I don't know why you are overacting. I never said people should not leave; on the countrary, those who have the opportunity right now should not hesitate. I just noted that leaving is a dominant trend right now and I hope it will stop soon. Cameroonian are leaving not bacause they love to leave but because our country offer very little opportunities, if any.I believe sooner or later cameroonians will need to take back control of our country. Same as you, I live out of the country; but if I had a choice, I would prefere to be in my country. If cameroon could offer me just half the opprtunities I have abroad, then I wouldn't have to be out here. Home is home. I may be a citizen of where I live. I may be proud of the country where I live, but my heart is cameroonian.

Ras Tuge

What is this Bumboklaat chant about being proud citizens of Babylon, when your mothers are still defecating in squalid latrines back home? And just who the hell do you expect to fix the country, when you don't even bother to show due homeland respect.

Africa is changing, the stakes are high and Cameroon shan't remain the same for ever. If you think that others must make it better just for you to come and run your mouth, well funny people, you all should keep on sleeping. I used to be as shallow-minded as you until i returned home to realise the tremendous potential in Cameroon.

Yea, misery reigns supreme, but then a process has developed which promises within our generation to make many of us to experience dreamful lives that we never otherwise would have known. Now is the time for each and everyone of us to elevate Cameroon, by brightening the corners where we came from. That ought to be our duty as African children.

Valentine Ngwa will only consider returning home when Cameroon gets itself out of the mess! What a Bumboklaat doctor! If you relish working as a doctor in England, why not invest some of your bread in a project that will improve health care services back home, just so you can make your own contribution to building a new Cameroon?

Working as a Babylon doctor, or electronic engineer, or whatever only makes you happier because you always relate or equate the job with your plight back home. Frankly, it doesn't give you happiness, especially as we all know the kind of notoriously belittling treatment African doctors get outhere. Many Babylon people actually would prefer death than to have a black man from Africa as doctor. This unfortunately reduces many brilliant African doctors to duties at district health centres where they mostly work as sub-doctors.

Stop blaming everything on corruption, as hordes of people from the diaspora are now beginning to open their eyes to see the opportunities in Cameroon. I was pleasantly surprised to know that the imposing four star Savoy Palms hotel in Limbe is owned by a young Anglophone! If corruption is such an hurdle, then how could this brother put up such a cumbersome and classy structure?


Now, Steven i don't care if you have an excellent job, we all have better lives in the various strange countries that we now call home. But seriously man, what do you have back home? Are you the kind of dude who would go home with Babylon people, and be ashamed to show them your run-down family Karabot shack, whilst your poor old mother still struggles to sell puff puff on the street? Seriously, we all need to do something.

Steven

Ras, I am a francophone closed to where your so- called president is from, but I feel like I was an anglophone. Anglophones complain a lot how they are being marginalized and suppressed. We all have choices in life and one of yours was to return home and fix it, good for you and your family; but mine is to stay in my new country and accomplish my goals in life.

I have acquired a lot being here and helped a lot of people. And by the way my family lives better today because of my being here. Let's imagine for a min that I was still in Cameroon; probably by now we'll be eating sh**

We also have the freedom to think and one of your thoughts is that Cameroon is growing and will change, ha ha ha... I am laughing. This will be probably 3 generations after you or may be your kid or grandchild.

I don't care what you say about those who leave and don't want to return; everyone is searching for the best in their existence. Since you think the doctor ought to stay where you call "home" why don't you assist him feed his family. Bullshi* you would say!

Let the man search for the best and you Tuge stay there. My family is well of today because of my being here and I cannot rest until all of them are here. F*** Cameroon. call it your home and fix it.

Damien

The Rasta Thug is back spewing inanities!!! As if he doesn't live in the West? Why don't you go back to Cameroon to build your own hotel??

FYI, Dr. Ngwa has done more for Cameroon than you will ever do. Please take a look at the Cameroon portion of his CV at: http://www.valngwa.5u.com/about.html
This is not a banga smoking competition my friend!

UnitedstatesofAfrica

RAT Tuge the weed-smoking THUG

I thought you were done commenting on this site? funny how the overt Hypocrite aka Rat Tuge is now schooling people about returning home to rebuild the country. This is the man who fled Cameroon for "Babylon", married a white woman to secure "dokis" and now has a confused race of children. He DOES NOT LIVE IN CAMEROON. He only recently visited CAMEROON for a short vacation after centuries of self-imposed exile. Who are you to school people about brain drain? bitch please. Go back to your fat white woman and your weed stash. Your input is inconsequential at this point.

Bob Bristol

Although I find Ras Tuge's lectures a little surprising, I think he usually open up avenues for critical analyses.

My stake on this issue is very clear. Toilet cleaners in the West are better up than Toilet cleaners in Cameroon. It's no news that Cameroon is one of the worst country on the planet. Since we have an obligation to fight or fix things back home, we need the weapons. These weapons may be physical weapons or intellectual capacity. We can't have enough of these in Cameroon. Our universities have been reduced to military camps. Our weapons are solely for the protection of a single individual.

Steven

Ras and the others may try all they can to convince others to go home and fix it; well it's simple to say that. But one thing we all should first understand is that this life we are living is first of all about ourselves and our families before the country.

And for the fool asking what have I accomplish or done for Cameroon. Listen fool; I don't give a f*** about that so-called shitty country of yours and don't care if you call me a babylon. My happiness and that of my family comes first before that of your stupid and corrupt country. To be honest it's sad I was born in that fuc*** up place you call home is home.

Most of those people complaining about bushfallers are those who do not have the means to travel. They would not have been saying the rubbish the say if they were able to go to "babylon".

I have an uncle in the US who is been here for over 23 years and every time we talk, he keeps asking me to plan and go back home to fix it. Listen, someone who has been here 23 years asking another who has been here only 7 years to go back home and fix it. What the heck? If someone should go home and fix the f*** up place, then it should be him first.

For Damien, you don't even know me and don't know my potentials. How would you know the doctor has done more for that fuc*** up place than I will ever do. You fuc*. You guys keep trying to judge and compare with one another. Life is not about that. Good if the doctor helped his people. I am helping those I can and it shouldn't be only those in/from Cameroon.

All I can say, life is too short for us to be fuc**g around. Enjoy the most of it and help those you can without trying stressing yourself.

Ras Tuge

Steven, all i can say to you is simply that the longer you live in Babylon, the more you'll understand certain things. Seven years is a very insignificant time to overcome all that little Babylon excitement, but as time goes by you will undoubtedly see what i mean.

It is indeed sorrowful to see how horrible you feel about your very own homeland. I can't even touch the immensity of the frustration that you must have felt before deciding to skip the country. You must have gone through some really horrendous experience to speak of your very own motherland in such despicable terms. But like i said, you'll will outgrow that little excitement sooner or later. I just hope that you're not one of those who can't return home because they put themselves in a tight corner just to survive.

Damian, i must let you know, i mean remind you that there's alot of work for engineers in Africa, notably in Cameroon. Eventhough i live in Babylon, as a new generation man there's so much i can do other than build hotels. Atleast, i have chosen to contribute, what about you? The good thing as we all know is that we don't need to work for the government.

It is a beautiful thing to help your family, a thing we all do. But like i have said before, failing to invest in avenues that would generate surplus value would only make your family members to be wasteful recipients of any remittance endeavours you make towards their well-being.

Steven, i see why the obvious frustration renders you obsessed with taking your family members out of the country. Unfortunately that would simply exacerbate your misery as you would have to pay all you earn just to cater for your old parents who will saddle you with geriatic home bills and the like.

Cameroon is a beautiful place, and it'll only get better sooner or later. Take a vacation and go feel it for yourselves, for that's just what i did. Remember, take plenty money along and you'll have the best of fun!

UnitedstatesofAfrica

RAT tuge the weed-smoking Rastafarian Thug,

You have already been cautioned about your overt hypocrisy on this forum. As I earlier told you, your input is inconsequential at this point;from the responses about your comments, it is crystal clear that no one takes you seriously.

Steven
as much as I understand your frustration, to call Cameroon "that fucked up place" and speak about Cameroon with so much disdain and hate is totally and completely unacceptable. In fact, it is disgraceful and painful to read.

I am not advocating that you pack your bags and return home because I am a realist. However, as a Cameroonian it is your duty to help advance your nation in whatever way you can. It is also your duty to love and respect the culture and values of Cameroon because you are A CAMEROONIAN AT THE END OF THE DAY.

Do not speak about Cameroon as if nothing about Cameroon concerns you. Whether you like it or not, your life on this earth is inevitably linked to the future of Cameroon. I need not remind you that you will always be an African Monkey in the eyes of the West. Regardless of how many white women you marry, how many confused race of children your wife bears, how many white friends you have, how much you money you make...you will remain a MONKEY. Do yourself a favor and start appreciating your heritage.

nke

Change is possible and that begins by having a healthy debate. Whatever your position with regards to satying abroad and returning home, we all agree our country needs change.The question we will have to ask ourselves is; What can be my contribtution?. Some think, it is doable, while others are skeptical. These are legitimate fears born out of certain experiences. However, we all have different experiences. What we can't, and shouldn't do is discourage those who think they can contribute. Now, contributions can range from ideas, to volunteerism, to the construction of hotels such as the one in Limbe, and a host of many other things. "Babylon" was conceived as a small idea, and most caucasians believe in little ideas that grow. I think Dr. Ngwa has done something. What each of us have to ask ourselves is; What can i add to what Dr. Ngwa and many others have done. Little contributions may appear insignificant, but such little effort from each of us will add up to something. Dr. Ngwa may have volunteered in a hospital were one of of family members or a friend benefited from his service.
One of the thing we must learn as people from Africa is to respect each other. The kind of strong words used here in itself can setback development. Wonder why there are a lot of wars and conflict in Africa?

Ma Mary

Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel --- Samuel Johnson, Famous Babylonian, 1775

People migrate from oppression and drought of water or opportunity. Save your patriotic rantings for those who have created the drought and the oppression. The most reasonable people abroad can do is to build up their wealth and influence in other shores. When things have improved, then invest. Before that, it is irresponsible. It is like feeding the monster.

That is what the Irish did and the Ghanaians and the Lebanese.

Bob Bristol

Ma Mary, you got it perfectly. The government of Cameroon must regulate its tax policy to be fairer enough to attract investors; especially beginners. Most "fallers" were pushed out because the system wasn't conducive for investment. Investing when such a system is still in place implies risking your hard-earned cash to the taxation criminals. After all, the colossal sum Cameroonians disburse to travel abroad could still be invested had it been the economic terrain was fairer enough.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Ma Mary

patriotic rantings? a screw must be missing in your damn head. There's a difference between supporting the government and having love for your country. Having respect and love for Cameroon and its cultural fabric does not equate to supporting the bloodthirsty regime of Biya. I am surprised I have to explain this to ancient men and women on this forum who claim to be intellectuals. Yes! oppression have forced people to migrate from Cameroon but at the end of the day, your existence is inevitably linked to the fabric of the Cameroonian society. Calling Cameroom a fucking waste of space like that idiot Steven did reeks of self-hate. Hating Cameroon is like hating yourself. It is who you are regardless of how you try to blend into the Western society.

Look at the Southern Sudanese Christians in diaspora. They have been crushed, raped and killed by the Northern Arabs but they are still fighting for peace and justice in their country. They haven't surrendered and said "well, Sudan is a waste of space of I'm going to forget about the country".

The Cameroonian society has its ills but your love for your country should motivate you to help Cameroon move forward in whatever way you can. Whether it is through lectures, finances, going bakc home, etc etc.

Ma Mary, at this critical point in Africa's history, your faint cries of hate and division are inconsequential. Permit me edit Samuel Johnson's quote;
"Hate and division is the last refuge of a scoundrel"- UnitedstatesofAfrica.

Ma Mary

USMankato, are you a hypocrite?

Why do you live in Mankato and carry on thus? When you carry your body and your actions to where your mouth is, we can talk. When people like you batter the good doctor with patriotic drivel, I have to call you out.


Why does Ras Etuge live in Sweden and go on and on about Babylon, yet make patriotic speeches. You are like blood brothers. He hates Bamis and Graffis and you hate coastal people of the Southern Cameroons. You both believe that you need la republique to protect you from each other.

People vote with their feet. They move away from oppression and lack to freedom and possibility. That is how it has always been and that is how humans moved to occupy the whole earth. Wise people do not feed the monster. They starve it.

Ras Tuge

Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful- Samuel Johnson

Now Ma Mary, frankly it bugs me utterly to notice that someone of your ripe age still chosed to starve yourself with abject ignorance. Can't you understand the fact that Babylon was constructed by people of will against the backdrop of discords and wars.

You shamelessly spend your precious time romancing with supposedly radical Babylon concepts when you're the same misguided hypocrite who plunged Anglophones into darkness by consigning their destiny to oblivion. Seriously, your word shan't ever be worthy, when you delusively enmesh yourself in a tangle of retrogressive rantings.

I am elated to have been trained in Scotland, the country of the most renowned British Premier. In Glasgow and Aberdeen, i became accustomed to the Scottish pride about the fact that William Ewart Gladstone was not only the custodian of the Victorian Era, but also he was the father of Modern Times. Before this era, Babylon had been challenged by similar woes that Africa is faced with today. Be reminded that Gladstone lived in England but this never stopped him from retaining aspects of his Scottish ancestry.

What we see in Cameroon, and the whole of Africa today is an emerging wealthy, knowledgeable and inspired class, which to my mind is very similar to what Babylon experienced during that illustrious era. It takes a people with a vision to alter the course of their cursed destiny.

Just as Gladstone responded to the calling of a leadership that would alleviate Babylon misery, and thus enhance global progress, Africa shall soon see leaders that will understand the need to open up avenues for investments by both its people, and the Babylon nations.

You are wrong about Ghana Ma Mary. What happened in that country is simply that the government realised how seriously hordes of Ghanians in the diaspora were looking forward to investing back home. The pressure was enormous, so the government had no choice. Similarly, if the Cameroonian government realises this same amount of interest, then consequently investing back home will undoubtedly be eased by the authorities.

Before the Ghanian emancipation that we are all gleefully chanting of today, Ghana had witnessed an even worse fate than Cameroon. I reminisce how Ghanian children would cheerfully do the most menial jobs even in Cameroon, just because their government won't cater for them. Nonetheless, today the equation has altered largely in favour of Ghanian progress, and thanks mostly to the people of that once very miserable nation.

Where i reside is immaterial, as long as i have the will to do stuff back home. Nobody needs to go back if they don't want to. But personally, i think people will be forced to consider Cameroon sooner or later. I was mostly galvanised by my trip home, and i realised that with my skill, i should be contributing in making Cameroon a high-tech society. I may not be very interested in building hotels, but i could install elevators and other operational digital systems in them for buildings in future Cameroon shall be bigger, taller, and computerised. In this way for instance, i would create programmed instructions and job opportunities for many graduates from the University of Buea.

Now, i know you would say that's not possible. But then again people have to start from somewhere. As a matter of fact, people have already started. Just one night at Savoy Palms, or a visit at the Mukete beach house in Limbe will change your mind. The good thing with Cameroon is simply that there is atleast no war, and within ten years or so, things WILL obviously not be the same. Be on the right side of history!

Leo

This rasta man over foolish!. Farts, shakes head and walks away in disgust...

Bob Bristol

There are two things at stake here-political stability and economic progress. The former ushers in the latter. The former is the bedrock of the latter. The latter is motivated by the good will of those in control of the former. When there is an overt demonstration of bad will from the politicians in control of the government, when the political climate cast expectation of an imminent catastrophe, then any giant economic venture risk being destroyed.

From the above comments, there are people like Ras Tuge who think investment should come before political stability while others like Bob Bristol and Ma Mary are steadfast on the fact that political stability should come before economic investment.

Ras Tuge, I'm sure you have to reconsider your stance on this issue.

Bob Bristol

When Pa Garanty is obliged to get into a pick up van and campaign on behalf of the CPDM in order to safeguard the future of his investments in Cameroon, when Fokou decides to relocate to other African countries because of unbearable politically motivated taxes, then the much needed integrity we need to ensure the growth of any investment will disappear. Ras, it may even interest you to know that the government of Cameroon will do everything to discourage certain investments in the North West province or some areas of the South West and Western provinces since the growth of these places may pose a thread to the thievery that has taken control of everything.

Ma Mary

In the Camerounese system, the function of business is to service the politicians. The fastest path to wealth is through politricks. In economically progressive countries, government serves the people and facilitates enterprise. Bob Bristol says it all. No responsible investor should accept those conditions unless he has a bottomless fund financed by irregular commerce such as a wholesale ganja business. When part of your business consists of paying rents to politician gangsters, you are feeding the monster and when you can no longer pay, they will destroy you.

Ghana. Ghana's turnaround? Think one name: Jeremiah John Rawlings. That man worked like the devil to change the conditions on the ground, before the thousands of well-heeled Ghanaians abroad found it attractive to return and invest. That was the magic ingredient, the yeast in the dough.

I repeat, do not feed the beast. If you like, take your little money there. It will disappear like a drop of water in the Sahara. It could last a little if you abase yourself to the monster and crawl on your belly before them like Pa Garanty.

Ras Tuge

Bob, political instability and economic growth are often very mutually exclusive principles. Nonetheless, political stability does not automatically translate into a vibrant growth if the foundation for a sound take-off are not laid by visionary policy makers.

With regards to this therefore, goodwill endeavours that are exclusively intended to achieving admirable economic progress shall eventually be thwarted if the general populace is not galvanized to have unabated faith in the pursuit of that herculian but very plausible dream.

Am afraid, it would take more than just the goodwill gestures of politicians, as it would involve an utter overhaul of mindset by way of educating every single Cameroonian about the urgent need for achieving this noble goal. This to my mind is the ultimate task to overcome, and i am positive that it can obviously be dealt with, provided we desist from being lackadaisical doubting Thomases.

Moreover, if economic growth is just a function of the goodwill of those in positions of power as per your simplistic point of view, then ofcourse that is just about to change man. Rest easy that Cameroon is poised to launch this New Age of prosperity and better accountability, not by dreary politicians but by gleefully dynamic and optimistic citizens at home and abroad.

Sooner or later, Cameroon shall see a new day with fresh leaders, and there'll be no more avenues for lackluster and kleptomaniac leadership. Once the threat to economic progress is no longer hazardous to human life, then the country will undoudtedly be headed for Jah Glory! I shan't ever recant with respect to this issue.

Ras Tuge

The good people of Ghana will never put the destiny of the country into the hands of Jerry Rawlings because of his greed for political power. If he ever gets a hold on political power, he will never let go. - Yao Dagadu.

Ma Mary, seriously you need to refrain from your notorious propensity to disseminate untold falsehood. Rawlings is very popular in Ghanaian politics. However, if there's one thing he can be credited for, it is simply the fact that he returned Ghana to civilian rule.

During his unfortunately long tenure as an un-elected head of state he committed horrendous atrocities, despicable human rights abuses including detainment and intimidation. In Scotland which happens to be the land of his father, many know him as the cold blooded butcher who annihilated his adversaries like Acheampong, Akuffo etc.

Rawlings reluctantly relinquished power in 2000 after naming James Atta Mills as his preferred successor. But the Ghanaians were fed of him and thus they elected Agyekum Kuffour over Mills. Nevertheless, by unwillingly letting Kuffour take over power, Rawlings unknowingly laid the foundation for sustainable democacry in Ghana. It was during Kuffour's reign that the Ghanaian authorities finally recognised the need to ease avenues for investment in Ghana.

Do you know why Rawlings refused to participate in Ghana's fiftieth anniversary celebrations? Do you know why he wanted to stage a come back just recently in 2008 through Mills? Seriously Ma, you must lift up your intoxicating conscience. Cameroon shall rise!


Bob Bristol

Ras Tuge, without claiming to have known more about Jerry Rawlings, I've done a "thorough research" and my conclusion is that his achievements far outweighs his misdeeds. We've not been able to afford his type in Cameroon.

Regarding the issue of investing back home, we still applaud those who've taken the courage to trudge the dispiriting bureaucratic nonsense with all the bribery that it takes to setup something in that gloomy economy. And prospering in an environment where all your neighbours are either thieves or beggars is not what we yearn for. We need an economic revolution which is likely to come with a change of leadership.

The present system is a bigger mess than you can ever imagine. And purpose of this site is not to pigeonhole the opportunities which the system can offer. It is to criticise until things improve tremendously.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

"USMankato, are you a hypocrite?
Why do you live in Mankato and carry on thus? When you carry your body and your actions to where your mouth is, we can talk. When people like you batter the good doctor with patriotic drivel, I have to call you out."

- Ma Mary

Ma Mary, you are indeed a reckless bitch with verbal diarrhoea. First of all, I don't live in Mankato. And second of all, did you thoroughly read my write-up? don't answer the question because I already know the answer. Let me quote what I said, verbatim.

"The Cameroonian society has its ills but your love for your country should motivate you to help Cameroon move forward in whatever way you can. Whether it is through lectures, finances, going back home, etc etc."

Have you read it now? did I say going back home was the only way you could help positively advance Cameroon's future? Can you now see "etc. etc." and the other options I mentioned? going back home is ONE of the solutions I propose; nowhere did I say that it should be the ONLY solution.

UnitedstatesofAfrica

Ma Mary,
how ironic that you shower praises on dictators like Mugabe and Stalin who are far worse than Biya. Who is the hypocrite? go and look at your crinkled, wrinkled and battered face on the mirror; you'll see the answer. You will go to your grave still singing secession songs.

Bob Bristol

Tall people scarcely insult short people. Slim people rarely insult fat people. Rich people hardly insult poor people. It is always the other way round. When you become too scurrilous, it raises questions about your personality.

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