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Monday, 12 October 2009

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The herald

This analysis goes a long way to show that frogs will remain filthy no matter how hard one tries to clean them up.

How on earth could La Republique du cameroon try to reproduce and contaminate their ugly culture of corrupt practices in an instution(ACHPR)of this nature?

“41. At its 36th Ordinary Session held in Dakar, Senegal from 24 November-7 December 2004, the African Commission decided to defer its consideration on the merits to the next session. It also rejected an application to stay the proceedings by third parties purporting to represent the applicants [SCNC & SCAPO] claiming to have entered into negotiation with the Respondent State [Cameroon].”

"In plain language you [Cameroon] tried to trick us by bringing some dupes here to lie that they were representing the SCNC—imagine a state worth the name recruiting con men to go and lie on its behalf to an international body!"

It is appalling and debilating that La Republique du Cameroon after trying but in vain to kill the activities of SCNC and SCAPO back in the country was determined once more to disrupt the case now in the office of the ACHPR proper,as they produced a delegation purporting to be members of the SCNC and SCAPO and claiming to have entered into negotiations with the said la republique du Cameroon. CRIMINALS,what a shame for this state organised mafia or 419s.I am convinced that the filthy frog Dipoko was also in that state sponsored dubious delegation.

As I always say,the truth though it has no tonque will out.what is done in the night is revealed in the day,no matter how hard we try to conseal it.

Do you believe in predestination? They say in latin che sera,sera,and in English what will be,will be and in french que sera,sera.Southern Cameroon was not meant to be together with la republique du cameroon,reason why God decided to put them asunder.Unification and Reuinification was the work of men trying to put together what God had put asunder for personal or self aggrandizement.So,we are slowly but surely seeing how in vain they laboured.Once more,the will of the people is beginning to prevail slowly but certainly.It is only a matter of time!!! Foreward the Light Brigade.

Va Boy

These fellows are so full of bad faith. First thing they do when the verdict lands is launch their team of Corn Chews, sorry Kontcheus to lie and spin. Just as if we cannot read and interpret the verdict.

We are supposed to negotiate with these crooks? This thing had no hope in 1960 and even less today. Southern Cameroonians must get together and give this their all.

Egbembah

I will like to add my own one cent to the great analysis above. On the section on:

NOT GUILTY ON STOPPING SOUTHERN CAMEROONIANS FROM EXERCISING THEIR RIGHTS TO SELF DETERMINATION: ....
(Page 36 para 190)
....As a consequence, the Commission cannot envisage, condone or encourage secession, as a form of self-determination for the Southern Cameroons. That will jeopardise the territorial integrity of the Republic of Cameroon.

IN OUR REPLY TO THE COMMISSION WE NEED TO MAKE CLEAR THAT:
1-WE DO NOT SUPPORT SECESSION AS AN ELEMENT OF THE INTERNAL POLITICS OF A COUNTRY.
BUT POINT OUT THAT BY THE AFRICAN CHARTER EACH AFRICAN COUNTRY IS RECOGNIZED WITHIN THE ITS BOUNDARIES AS AT INDEPENDENT. IN THIS CASE THE SOUTHERN CAMEROONS WAS NOT A PART OF CAMEROON.
2-WE NEED AN ELABORATE EXPLANATION MAKING THE CASE THAT OURS IS A CASE OF RESTORATION AND NOT SECESSION.

Egbembah

On the NOT GUILTY [DATA AND STATISTICS TRICK] On the Violation of article 17 (Page 26, para 145--)HAVING TO DO WITH THE RIGHT TO EDUCATION.

In our reply to the court, we need to bring up the issue about scholarships to West-point, Military Academy in the US. The Cameroon government decided to reject this scholarship when the Military College complained that they did not have the time to teach Cameroon's nominees English first before military training. This happened because the regime decided for a while to mainly nominate Francophones for the scholarship. They preferred to reject the scholarship offer than nominate Southern Cameroonians.

The next point is to look at the Cameroon government's scholarship offers. It is almost exclusively a Francophone thing these days.

Egbembah

On the question of the VIOLATION OF ARTICLE 22 ON THE RIGHT TO DEVELOPMENT, our response to the court should included companies like Niba Automobile and Nanga Companies which were excessively taxed to bankruptcy. We will be able in this to make comparison to similar companies in Cameroon which were not taxed in the same way.

TAGRO

Keeping aside some of the minutiae along the way, who has secceded from what was envisaged in the illegal, ill-advised and ill-fated 1961 federation?

What was the name of French Cameroun (la Republique Francaise du Cameroun) on January 1, 1960 when they supposedly became independent and her international borders established as immutable by international law? LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN.

What was the name of French Cameroun (la Republique Francaise du Cameroun) after the so-called Federation? [FEDERATED STATE OF] EAST CAMEROON.

I guess after 20 May 1972, French Cameroun (la Republique Francaise du Cameroun) was PART of UNITED REPUBLIC OF CAMEROON.

Then the genius of France and their puppet and international thief, Paul Biya, arrogantly believing that they had successfully acculturated the anglofous to their primitive existence in the culture of tyranny, corruption, unaccountability, poverty, death and service to Paris above all, decided to become LA REPUBLIQUE DU CAMEROUN and take us with them to be part of the human scarifice to France forever!

SO WHO IS GUITY OF SECCESSION?

AND WE ARE HAPPY THEY DID SECCEDE, BECAUSE IT BEGAN OUR JOURNEY TO OUR ULTIMATE REAL CHANCE FOR HUMAN DIGNITY AND FREEDOM IN OUR HOMELAND.

But look for la Republique Francaise du Cameroun , with her back to the wall, even with the militarization and rule of terror since 1961 in our homeland, to change its name again to 'accomodate' the Southern Cameroons nation in their recurrent fit bad faith and shamelessness.

Egbembah

in response to the the COMMISSION'S RECOMMENDATION FOR THE SCNC & SCAPO TO ABANDON SECESSIONISM AND ENGAGE IN CONSTRUCTIVE DIALOG THE COMMISSION NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT IS AT STAKE HERE.

1- WE ARE NOT NATION FETISH BUT THE RESTORATION OF OUR INDEPENDENCE IS THE ONLY LOGICAL WAY IN THE PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCES TO GUARANTEE OUR PEOPLE THE RIGHT TO A LIFE OF PEACE, SECURITY AND DIGNITY.

The split between our people and the people of Cameroon is wide and deep. Patriotism in Cameroon has been redefined to mean an opposition to our objection to second class citizens status.
No doubt the renown power brokers in Cameroon like Ena Basil called us the enemy in the house for asking for our basic rights.
French politicians and former Ministers in explaining why Fru Ndi could not be allowed to be president of Cameroon despite wining the election simply said an anglophone cannot be allowed to rule a French country.
Not long ago a Cameroon parliamentarian called a southern Cameroonian parliamentarian in parliament during a parliamentary debate a Biafran as a way to beef up his Cameroon-ness. The list goes on.

Va Boy

Southern Cameroonians are a distinct people--read the verdict, and it is up to them to determine their destiny. In terms of how a modern state should function, I have more in common with my comrades in Kumbo and Nkambe than with my ethnic cousins in Douala. There is absolutely no meeting of the minds with them about the things that matter.

Egbembah

Alain Dipoko, Yabassi Boy :-)? you are insulting Yabassi people by not reading a bit of history before you go screaming factual inaccuracies in public with Yabassi Boy in front of your name.
Since I am too busy to give you a "Southern Cameroons history for dummies" lecture, I will just help on one fact that will definitely piss off Yabassi people about you association yourself with them.

How about you starting your history class in the link below:
If you do, you will learn the following:

1-That the Ambas Bay Colony (Southern Cameroons) existed when there was no Cameroon.
-1858 -1887 British colony at Ambas Bay (Victoria).

2- That the German colony of Kamerun which started from 1884 (26 years after Ambas Bay Colony)did not include Southern Cameroon. And that Kamerun included parts of present day Chad and Central African Republic.

3-It was in 1887 following the Berlin Conference of 1884 that let to colonisation of Africa that Ambas Bay Colony was ceded to Germany by Britain and ended up in that your Cameroon.

Now you may want to take note that the Berlin Conference has not only been declared illegal by the Atlantic charter/UN, but is under consideration by international jurists as a crime against humanity.

Read real history. Don't go in public and scream the skinny ass propaganda the French designed for Cameroon children as history. OK?
Good Boy.
http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Cameroon.html

Facter

I want to thank Egbembah for that link. It is full of useful facts. It is true that children have been subjected to wrong history. Someone needs to write the correct history at Standard 6 level for the benefit of everybody. Propaganda is not a substitute for history. Is Dipoko a propagandist for the Cameroon government? He uses their tactics. He pours a lot of facts but fudges the crucial elements with the aim of deception and intimidation.

fabelos

Very sad Dipoko how in 3 short bullet points you can be disprove so much I feel ashame for you, please read and know your history before you pen down you hatred jargon of history....I am very sad for you are becoming more of a lunatic everytime I read your postings.

The herald

I salute you Mr Egbembah for the clarification.

AS for Alain,we need not bother,he is a professional liar.He however,knows that the tide that is rising will not fall without being appeased and so,he has chosen to be like a spartan that died but never surrendered.

In the past the Anglophone problem was equally treated as a mere ilusion,today,it has become a real thorn in the government flesh.The anglofous asked for negotiation which was rejected yesterday but today it is the government that is asking for negotiations with anglofous.Who then,is living in the fairy land?

sasha

Dipoko
those cunning-like-a-fox tactics just cannot hold.
dont beat by the bush
the summary around this is whether the rights and identity of a people has been tampared with.
Organised and intellectually honest people (ofcourse you re not one of them) follow debates and then try to shake the crediblily of the main issue based on sound facts and arguements, not by trying to deviate the arguement with such historical perculiar -to-frogs fallacies.

fanso

WATER AND PARAFIN CAN NEVER MIX EVEN IF BOILED AT 10.000°C
WATER WOULD ALWAYS FLOAT. CAUSE WATER IS PURE AND PARAFIN POLLUTED.
DO YOU KNOW OF THIS BIRD THAT HATES FAECIS YET FEEDS ONLY ON MAGOTS. IN GHANA ITS CALLED CHICHIDODO.
LOOK AT THIS GUY WHO HATES ANGLOPHONES CAUSE THEY ARE DULL AND EMPTY HEADED, YET THE SAME DIRTY BLOOD FLOWS IN THE VEINS OF HIS KIDS.
SHAMEFUL ISN'T IT?

The Ngwa Man

There is one thing that Dipoko has said that a lot of us have yet to grasp and I will repeat it here.

Alain said:

Be realistic. All the countries with veto powers at the UN like the US, China, France have very lucrative economic ties with us, to convince them divide a united country. Your noise therefore remains just ordinary noise.

My fellow Cameroonians we need to come to grips with this fact and keep it in our thoughts as we decide what we are going to do to have one or two seperate Cameroon(s) with liberty, equality, and justice for all.

The most the UN can do is to give a ruling similar to what the ACHPR gave and encourage both sides to negotiate. The only way we will end up with two seperate Cameroons is through war. There was gross genocide in Rwanda and we all didn't see the UN or even France for that matter send anyone to stop that madness. Part of the reason the UN was created was so that something like genocide would not happen again. The UN didn't even step in more recently to stop the genocide in Darfur so what would make anyone think they are going to stick their nose in our business at this point to do something on the magnitude of dividing a country peacefully.

We need a leader who rules from the center of political/ideological thought. We need someone that is out for the good of the whole nation. All of Cameroon needs to be developed and all Cameroonians are disenfranchised by this current regime.

It drives us all mad when they cut electricity when we are doing something important or watching les Lions Indomitable play. Anglofous and Francofous students have to walk in muddy streets to attend classes in over-crowded amphi theatres. There is not one place in Camer that does not have to deal with water shortage during dry season. The roads are bad everywhere. Everyone is suffering from low wages and there are even people who go to work and don't get paid. Our military is a week military. For a country of around 18 million we only have around 20 to 30 thousand soldiers. And the only time those soldiers are used is to kill innocent civilians so that one man can stay in power and enjoy the nations wealth alone. And no one can tell me there is no money in Camer. When you hear of the money that the Ministers or even Pau Pau himself is spending or stealing you know that there is a lot of money in Camer. All Camerooonians feel that they have to be part of Equip National to progress in Camer.

Cameroonians are ambitious hard working people. Our ambitions are being stifled by a bunch of people with no foresight. They don't love Camer and they don't love us. Unpatriotic fool them all.

Who is that person who will appeal to all these affected people in Camer?
Who will unite everyone in Cameroon to get rid of this current regime and then call a constitutional conference to redistribute the power and create independence amongst the judicial, executive, and legislative branches?

Only Cameroonians can change Cameroon. It is good that we make our case internationaly known so that when things start happening no one says we didn't try to go about it peacefully. But what is there is that no International Commitee will divide Camer while there is some semblance of relative peace. No one pays serious attention to you until you start kicking and screaming i.e. until there is serious civil unrest and maybe even war. A closed mouth does not get fed. Whatever that has to be done to fix Cameroon will be done by Cameroonians.

FREE CAMEROON!

Bob Bristol

The Ngwa Man, you've not made your stance clear on this issue of secession. I really appreciate your sometime hard to swallow objectivity in addressing the general malaise facing Cameroonians as a whole. However, you have to know that if the case of the SCNC got to this level, it is because several appeals to curtail the discrimination faced by Southern Cameroonians failed at various.

I couldn't have been more upset with you when you sided with Konde when he claimed that it was thanks to some military rogues from La Republique that Limbe was freed from the hands of some reckless Nigerians. By implication, you've been there from the very beginning. We've not only faced the bile of repressive governments, we've met people whose worldview sharply goes against the averagely expected ethical norms.

With or without a bad government, there is absolute lack of fraternity. Within top government officials, there is a high degree of mutual suspicion. What the colonial administrators did to the colonised people by making them to feel less human is exactly what the french regime will do when they finally gain the economic monopoly that their policies are fastening.

If you make 10 men very poor, at least 8 of them would call you SIR in order to have food on their tables.

Va Boy

Ngwa Man, as Bob Bristol expounds, we have been there and done that. What Dipoko is saying is what people like Bernard Fonlon and other Southern Cameroonians thought and said in the 1960s and 1970s. The Cameroun people and government that you love so much were busy working to tear down our institutions, dignity and power. We do not trust them to run our affairs, to be in charge of our lives. I do not think you know them that well. You are misguided in this case. The best thing for both countries is to be apart.

Also, we do not give a damn about what the United States or China or anyone else wants. If the US gave a hoot about the very powerful King George's opinion, it would still be a colony in the British Empire. We shall still give them access to oil. Are we going to drink it or what? By your reasoning there would still be slave trade because very powerful interests supported it. If you do not value your freedom, you will be considering stuff like x, y or z do not want me to be free so I will remain unfree.

The herald

Va Boy,you have left loose a bullet that will surely not miss its mark!!!!

The Ngwa Man

My stance on the issue of secession is that I believe in liberty, equality and justice for all Cameroonians whether it is in two seperate independent Cameroons or one Cameroon.

Mr. Bristol, site where in any of my postings that I have sided with Konde on his claims that some military rogues from La Republique freed Limbe from some reckless Nigerians. Where did I agree with Konde on that? I do not and never will agree with impractical, false, selacious or inflammatory claims made by Konde/Dipoko/Son of the Soil or anyone else who makes such statements.

Va Boy, you are right about one thing:

I LOVE THE CAMEROONIAN PEOPLE.

I love the disenfranchised masses from both sides of the Mungo who are poor and vulnerable. I love all my fellow Cameroonian brothers and sisters who are suffering indignation from this wicked and crooked regime/government led by the most unpatriotic Uncle Tom aka S.E. Paul Biya. Mr Va Boy you will not find any love for this government in my heart or in my writings.

Those who misunderstood my posting above on Tues., 13 Oct. 2009 at 10:34pm should read it again... but slowly this time. No where in that write up will you find support for this current government or support for the inflammatory/negative views espoused by Konde.

What I agreed with Konde on was what role the UN would (or should I say wouldnt) play in our affairs. On this point I believe that Va Boy agrees with me because he makes the statement, "we do not give a damn about what the United States or China or anyone else wants." "We shall still give them access to oil." "Are we going to drink it or what?" That is the mind state we should have i.e. do what is right for Cameroonians.

We may be taking our case to the UN but they are not going to divide a member nation. They will not aid in secession. By my reasoning we do our thing and don't expect assistance from outsiders. We have to be honest with our selves. Based on the historical facts, Anglophone Cameroon has a legitimate right to self determination. Even a blind man can see that. But at this time in our history self determiniation will not be acheived through dialogue or via a referendum organized by the UN without out immense civil unrest/war taking place first.

One thing I am pretty confident of is that Cameroon would be a better place if moderate, progressive, fair minded citizens from both sides of the Mungo worked together and appealed to each others sensibilities. I feel that we are in the same situation that African Americans and South Africans were in not too long ago. If we employ the same tactics that they used and work with those Francophone Cameroonians that are practical, we can change the way we see each other as a nation.

Liberty, equality, and justice for all Cameroonians. It won't be for just Bakweri or Beti people but also for Hausa's and Bafut people, in short for all Cameroonians.

We the disenfranchised citizens of Camer do not have the states military or finances at our disposal but we do have our intelligence and our numbers. With sound strategy incorporating all those affected by this regime and selfless practical decisions we shall over come.

FREE CAMEROON!

DANGO TUMMA

egbembah.THESE MY SCNC LEADERS, THEY SOME TIMES ACT LIKE, DRUNKS. THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE
FIRST COMPLAIN HEADLIND TO THE COURT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, AND NOT SOME,MISCELLANEOUS, CRUMPS OF BREAD ISSUES. LIKE THAT ANYANGWE HIMSELF MUST SEEK MY ADVISE, THA LAST TIME I TRIED GETTING TO HIM, THROUGH HIS SECRETARY, THEY WERE BUSY IN THEIR USAUL MEETINGS, OURS IS A STRUGGLE FOR RESTORATION OF OUR STATEHOOD
AND NOT SECESSION WHICH SCNC/SCAPO KEEP REPEATING THE LA REPUBLIQUE LANGUAGE, DOUALA, YAOUNDA GAROU CAN SECEDED BUT NOT SOUTHERN CAMEROONS SINCE IT WAS NOT PART OF CAMEROUN AT INDEPENDENCE IN 1960 FROM FRANCE.

DANGO TUMMA

egbembah, i will love you to google mr kevin mwanga gumne name and contact him via email, to high light this very important part of our struggle, soo that in their respong to that same court, they must tell say ours is Independence and not secession, that word is the one used by la republique and many of us have beeing caught to this erroneously.

The herald

POLICE STORM SCNC OFFICE, ARREST FOUR.

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