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Tuesday, 27 April 2010

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VA Boy

Soon Entrepreneur-on-LIE and DIE-poko will be here to defend the indefensible about how they have improved things.

This is the same state of affairs since Ahidjo's time, and worse. In 1970, they tore down the West Cameroon Department of Health, which at least had ethical standards and the elements of hygiene and public service.

limbekid

These scenes are frankly horrendous and unfortunate, but while one can easily get taken in by powerful imagery, there is another side to the issue which never gets a mention: black people and abnegation (very controversial, but just my observation). What happened to the multitude of state-sponsored doctors currently working abroad for foreign employers? Even if there is no written agreement, don`t they owe a duty of reciprocity to the Cameroonian tax payer for expensive education obtained in some of the best universities abroad? I may be overly taken in by popular media, but one almost never comes across a black person (let alone a Cameroonian) in outfits such as Medecins sans Frontieres.

Not all positive initiatives in the developed world are engineered by the state: most of the research in health; reputable institutions of learning; art patronage is kept alive, courtesy of private initiative and philantropy. I think practical unreserved assistance should be the priority.

TAGRO

Entrepreneur says "black people and abnegation". Your ignorance is entertaining quite frankly: "I may be overly taken in by popular media, but one almost never comes across a black person (let alone a Cameroonian) in outfits such as Medecins sans Frontieres." You are not over-taken by popular media, you are simply a product of the Camerounese-CPDM ethos.


You and your all powerful CPDM invokes abnegation as an excuse for your criminal incompetence.

So what has your all powerful CPDM-gov't done to their state-sponsored doctors? What incentives are being offered them? To get paid less than an illiterate soldier who has the right to brutalize and humiliate as they please with absolute impunity? That tells you where your priorities are: you value the purveyors of death over those of life.

limbekid

@ Tagro,

For starters, I am not the entrepreneur.

Now back to the article. Can you logically negate anything I have said? Are the majority of state sponsored doctors not working for other employers? How often do you find Africans engaging in activities such as those organised by MSF?

You are part of the reason why some societies cannot move forward. You see only black and white (no grey). One either shares your opinion or is a sell out, a government mole. Every problem in your opinion must have a political solution. Every phrase you utter must contain the words CPDM and Paul Biya. So how has your rant helped the woman on the theatre table?

Alem

The issue is far from the lack of health staff at these "death traps" but the shameful animal behaviour by these so called doctors and nurses where money comes ahead of life.

njimaforboy

The many problems facing Cameroon include but not limitted to a failed leadership under Paul Biya.

Then u have the problem of cave mentality, also created by Paul Biya. In fact, almost every employer of La Republique quit their jobs years ago. But , unfortunately, like Paul Biya the didn't tell anyone.

Because Paul Biya and La Republique work a WIFLI schedule ( Whenever I Feel Like It ), certain jobe like medicine will never progress under the Biya Regime.

The Biya Regime has nothing to do with books , training and learning. La Republique is bogged down. Just plain broken. There is no creativity under Biya. It is now a place where watching paint dry would be exciting.

The Butcher has created a sense of lost dreams and unrealized potential, these in turn have created such an indescribable feeling of hopelessness that has filled most of Cameroon. That is why Physicians are leaving.

TAGRO

@"LimbeKid"

I already negated everything you said by pointing out that you have a system that values the purveyors of violence and death over those that cater for wellbeing and life. Lets look at the last Yaounde budget and compare what the Presidency, the Armed Forces and Health departments (or ministries) received from the tax payers money.

And yet, you expect personal initiatives and philantropy from people that you flippantly characterise with the expression of "black people and abnegation"? Wellm as a member of the ruling CPDM-Camerounese elite, knowing the congenital abnegation of black people, why don't you step up? Do you suffer from the same syndrome?

By the way, one can easily find Camerounese and Southern Cameroonians who work for organisations like MSF. In addition, I know of many who sponsor personal initiatives in the Cameroons for the benefit of various populations. They certainly need more exposure to compensate for your self-described state of being "overly taken in by popular media..."

And thanks for the compliment, to you, it could only be a rant. Enjoy this one.

jdsomgait

There's a Cameroonian friend who works with MSF. He's worked in Rwanda, Sudan, Haiti, several countries in SE Asia and is in Mozambique at present. There are a good number, but like most humanitarian doctors, they aren't interview-giving media afficionados.

I have a few stories to write about the health-care system in Cameroon, one about my uncle who was operated upon and sewn back with a scalpel in his belly, another of a general practitioner from CUSS who hammered an aching tooth out of a desperate patient's mouth and the patient collapsed and never woke up again, another about a medical doctor who ended up in a ngambe man's hut for HIV/AIDs treatment, many about pregnant women who died on the operating table including that of a well-known journalist whose wife died while about to give birth to twins, the list is endless.

And I also have a story about the Hopital Militaire after the French Embassy - how coffins have became so scarce a resource in there with the increased frequency of soldiers that die from the AIDs virus. In fact, if you aren't a well-placed soldier patient, you'll lie in the morgue for weeks without a coffin while the superiors claim all the coffins for their ethnic kin... Or there's a lot of bribery there by families to get coffins for their "loved" ones.

Let's drift down to Lacquantinie in Douala, and there it's like Dante's Divine Inferno...

When Yaounde breathes, Cameroon lives! Hallelujah!

I will never speak against my friends who are Cameroon-trained medical doctors in the US. They can't live in that country with the different social classes and the way they are abused by the health administration, which is more or less a place for looting.

Look at the way Prof. Anomah Nguh's modesty has been repaid. He barely survives on his research skills and international reputation.

Most of the ministers get health treatment in France with tax payers' money. For them it's a right. For them ordinary citizens are subhuman. They get AIDS, they get retrovirals and expensive vaccines in France. They come back and they continue looting and dancing biludsi and campaigning for votes.

They have an expression for those that subsist "Va te debrouiller ailleurs..." which means, go find a coffin and nail yourself in!

Amen! We are living in good times! This is a great time to live.

VA Boy

The drama that surrounded the death of the Honourable Emmanuel Tabi Egbe speaks volumes about the fact that this farcical system will rain indignities even upon its greatest boosters like Entrepreneur-on-LIE and Limbless kid in their hour of greatest need. http://www.postnewsline.com/2005/04/strongthe_death.html

There are lots of articles and commentaries in this blog about that 2005 event.

jdsomgait

Va Boy, thanks for that directive. I will scan the net and get the details. I think I read of some when he passed away. That's how La Republique repays an honest broker. Think of Fonka Shang whom everyone has almost forgotten. If anyone dreams of being treated differently, then tell us. Give us evidence of good faith. Tell us which anglophone Cameroon minister has not been used and thrown away like a douche bag. Ha, they gave Ntumazah a state funeral, did you read that guys? To use Va Boy's words this is really farcical. What Southern Cameroonians need is to unify their differences and begin infiltrating La Reqpublique's institutions while planning a pull out at the same time. Only there will be some douche bags who'll be bought in with money and false promises. And there's still evidence that when these francophone hominids speak, some Southern Cameroonians still believe that they are superior to them because of the French they speak... history is a sorry process. To grow up at a time all roads led to Yaounde - where that was where the appointments came and where fonctionnaires went for salaries, how can you not dream that the ultimate achievement lies in those Ministeries? I will check out the manner in which all angolphone ministers finally let go La Republique and came home to rest... If any you find any interviews, please, give a signal. It's time we begin collecting archives.

jdsomgait

For those who like to keep defending that system, and try to convince others to leave their jobs and neighborhoods abroad and meet their deaths on the Douala-Yaounde highway... they must first go home. There are lots of people abroad and corporations that have wanted to invest in Cameroon, lots of personal and group willingness to start personal initiatives. But somewhere the experience of the past and the happenings of the present are still vivid in their minds. There are a lot who don't even want to hear the name "Cameroon" or "Cameroun." There are many who left the country on scholarships post-high school and never came back. Many who don't know anything about what's happening there. How I wish I were like that! How can you live in a country where government is too happy to smash personal initiative and where you have to pray for good health constantly, so as not to see the worst with your living eyes, before death frees you of pain? How can you live in a country where everything (except for friends and family) negates the very meanings of living?

 Va Boy

Thank you sir, and this has been going on way back into the past to the days of Ahidjo. For Southern Cameroonians, the destruction of initiative started once the pound stopped being legal tender and the CFA franc was introduced. It was as if a heavy weight was placed on our chest and we could no longer breathe.

jdsomgait

Before my uncle passed away of natural courses (God Bless his Soul) he kept telling how after an abdominal operation the doctors wrapped him up like a "macara" with a scalpel in his belly... until he felt the pain at home and they had to operate him for a second time. He became so frightened of hospitals that he never dreamed of stepping foot there. Talk of private initiatives, and the image of girls being aborted at advanced pregnancies, who die and are flung about garbage heaps and watersides...

njimaforboy

Entrepreneur, Mallam Shehu, Dipoko, where are you? Speak up. Speak up and support your master, Paul Biya, the butcher of etoudi.

People continue to live there because Paul Biya has created an Apathy Cave. If u spend much time in apathy cave, you can feel enthusiasm has been zapped out of the cave. That is the only way you can live there.

Paul Biya has a penchant for bad appointments of Ministers and Governors, and i don't mean physically.

No, i mean people like Molua and Dipoko. People with the same background and skill sets. There is very little momentum or movement, and nobody really cares.

There is no diversity in the leadership of Cameroon, so every one continues to mark time instead of moving forward.

Biya and his gang now use code language to communicate. A classic sign of failed leadership.

Orders are never clear and u never know who is giving the orders. Everyone is a thief, and the boss, Paul Biya is intent on protecting his gang by any means necessary.

jdsomgait

Va Boy, you remind me when there were "sanitaries" who used to visit every home and compound to check toilets to make sure they were up to the mark in terms of hygiene. You could never bribe them if the pit latrine was faulty. If you dared (but how could one dare when there was no knowledge corruption in West Cameroon?) There were "forest guards" who made sure that resource conservation was practiced. People had salaries paid promptly. The hospitals were good though simple, and health care management functioned. The populations were were saved from free-floating diseases. Go to Bonamusadji and see the bridge that crosses over to Chapelle Obili and you tell me what you find there. Go to Lac Biyem-Assi and tell me what you find - pyramids of Egypt, dogs, roaches, foetal remains, burning pyramids everywhere! It's like Neo-liberalism has invited Satan to invest in Cameroon! Go to the bridge before the Gare de voyageurs and you find smoked gorillas being sold! What the hell. Those are diets that Southern Cameroonians, unless corrupted will never dare to savor... where do you start?

Mallam Shehu

Njimafor,
Here we go again. So the Dr. refusing to operate that poor lady is Biya? The one with a fat stomach in Limbe, who ignorantly displays his filthiness to the world, is it also Biya? It is always too easy to point fingers while considering oneself as exempted from all the mess we squat in.
Let me tell you this boy, we are all accomplices to this system that we spend our time criticizing with reference. Take that same camera and follow that plump Dokita to his house, you'll be petrified by the luxury in which he swims, and yet see how filthy his work place is, can he not use his personal funds to at least safe guard some cleanliness and tidiness in his work place? Should Biya walk all the way from Etoudi down the streets of Limbe to sensitize that obese doc on how to tidy his work place, even at his own expense?
I once saw Biya like a reincarnation of the devil, but with maturity, I have come to realize that chap is not the sole reason for our shabbiness. You and I have got a big hand in our well-deserved fate.

Mallam Shehu

"reverence"

limbekid

Sometimes when one takes an iconoclastic stance on issues it is not because one is oblivious to realities on the ground, but because one looks at the bigger picture.

Philantropy does not replace government but only complements it. Even in the developed world people still go cap in hand soliciting funds for research for all kinds of ailments as well as the up keep of hospices. When I contribute for the upgrade of my alma mater I don`t give a second thought to government.

Va Boy, if you believe anecdotal evidence is reason to distrust any health system, then I would suggest you move to space. Right here in the Uk never a month goes by, without publicised cases of gross negligence in the medical profession (swathes left in after ops; people sent home to take paracetamol and later diagnosed with cancer; a certaain Dr Daniel Ubani; and to crown it all, a certain Harold Shipman - directly or indirectly responsible for the deaths of 297 people).

The only guage of quality is personal responsibility.

Town Crier.

To the best of my knowledge, our doctors and health practitioners are doing great jobs. These men and women work under trying circumstances. The public is to blame and not our health system.


People do not take preventive measures at all. They only show at the hospitals when diseases have ravaged their bodies and it is at that time they expect a miracle.


Tell a Cameroonian that drinking alcohol is bad for his health and he tell you get lost. Tell him to reduce the number of sex partners including marrried wives and he tell you that his forebears had had similar practices without any troube and that everybody including the doctors were jealous of him. Straight he will go and see a traditional doctor. But when all else has failed, he come to the same doctor he dismissed with the back of his hand.


Talking about bribery and corruption, it is the public's fault. The so called big men in society think the best places to show their importance are in places like hospitals and church services where they want prominent places to be seen by all. When they or their loved ones are in the queue, the only way to tell the inconsequentials on the line that they matter is to go straight and bribe the nurse or medical assistant who very often than not permits them to skip the queue. The doctor inside does not know the drama.


Yes, sometimes some doctors show nepotism and favoritism by tolerating such idiocracy but that does not dismiss our health system in one swoop. In the US and Britain, doctors have shown indifference and even negligence in handling patients. There are cases where scicors have been forgotten in the stomachs of patients numerous times.


Also, there are cases whereby wrong drugs have been prescribed by doctors to patients.

Town Crier.

Scissors and not scicors is the correct word.

Ras Tuge

Agendia, this story is very disheartening and nerve-wracking, and as far as i am concerned, doctors in Cameroon are criminals that should be stopped before their killing spree goes off-hand. I still remember how my sweet mum suffered at the hands of a frivolous and vicious doctor who left a metallic tool in her abdomen many years ago. But Jah too merciful to me, and He cured her. Just the thought of that brings back some wild anger in me, and i want to kill all those lunatics called doctors in Cameroon.

I would even go as far as shutting down that slaughter house named CUSS, and transform it to a massive prison to hide all those criminals that are trained to think in terms of blatant extortion and satanism. If i had my way in Cameroon, i'll build tons of high-tech maximum security prisons to incarcerate all the wicked men that have legally extinguished life out of poor and innocent Cameroons with impunity.

Nevertheless, the tragedy that happened to this poor woman is not unique to Cameroon. Perhaps i ought to remind Agendia about the pregnant Gambian woman whose fate was pretty similar, and this shockingly took place at Karolinska which is supposed to be Sweden's most prestigious university teaching hospital.

The said woman whose name was Amina if my memory doesn't fail me, suffered for three tumultuous days with strangely no doctor to attend to her while at Karolinska! She finally gave birth, but later passed on. It was a huge racist story here just some three years ago, and i am surprised that you missed it. Or, maybe you're new in Sweden.Similar medical tragedies stemming from overt neglect recurrently befall unfortunate Africans to a greater or lesser extent in Sweden each day.

jdsomgait

Post us the link to that story, Ras.
It sounds both tragic and pathetic.
More so, when one thinks of where
she's coming from.

Lord, why must thou forget us in our woe?

Ras Tuge

I'll check if i can manage to retrieve that document. If it was kept in a file, then i should be able to find it since newspapers carried the story. Otherwise i must use a specific software to retrace some of the narratives connected to that disgusting tragedy. However, it would be in Swedish if i find it. Jah no dead!

Bob Bristol

What ever has been said, I still believe the system is at the pivot. When people know they would not be punished for their crimes or carefree attitude, they, most often than not, go beyond the unthinkable. That is what has taken Cameroon hostage.

With the centralised system in Cameroon, it will take years for the complaint of an "ordinary" citizen to get up to Yaounde before a decision or sanction is given to a doctor. It may never even get there. A court case may need to be filed against the said doctor. And we all know that JUSTICE is the most rare commodity for a poor Cameroonian to afford.

 Va Boy

"System" is very important. A sound system with rigorous procedures helps human beings, who are often weak to stay straight. The moment some weak charactered Southern Cameroonians sensed that the rigorous system that had been operation had crumbled, and had been replaced by the laisse faire order of the others, they started raiding public offers and openly soliciting bribes.

There are people who are deceiving themselves here. Please.

njimaforboy

Wait a minute guys. Who is responsible for a system.

Gentlemen, we seem to be speaking in circles. For there to be any lasting solution to a problem, we must identify the root cause of the problem.

In science, when systems fail, we do an RCA or root cause analysis to prevent the problem from happening again.

There are many ways to solve a problem. One of the best ways is doing a focus PDCA. We come up with a plan, we develop and implement the plan, we collect data, we finally analyze the data.
Based on the results of our data analysis, we may consider the problem solved or we may go back to the planning phase.

Einstein said "...man is here for the sake of other men..".

We can argue about how Cameroon and Africa got to where it is today till the cows come home. Blame it on yesterday if u so desire. Blame it on Christianity.

Until we get leaders who will show us through actions and words that our needs and wants are secondary to the greater good of the whole, Africa will remain where she is or even worse.

jdsomgait

What I gather from above is that we're talking of systems and personal responsibility, induced by sound leadership. The question now is how to get there. I really enjoy the interventions, and the viewpoints from different fields. This is a very robust discussion! Kudos, gentlemen.

Bob Bristol

How do we get there?

Jdsomgait, I thought the answer to that question is implied in the first sentence you made; personal responsibility and sound leadership. The latter can boost the former but in the absence of the latter ( like we have in Cameroon today), the former, that is, personal responsibility, can be minimised, ignored, crushed and even assassinated to fulfill the diabolic intentions of the former.

So the question should rather be, how do we get over the hurdles of bad leadership and showcase the merits of personal responsibility?

Chief Ayuk Arrey

It is right to blamed the Gov't because it's the role of the Gov't to provide affordable health care to its citizens.
But if you look carefully one will find out that the Theatre which is supposed to be the most hygienic was very unkept. Ihe Hospital Management and its Medical Director are supposed to coordinate the sanitation of the Theatre. They shouldn't expect the Provincial Delegate to keep it clean for them and sweep the theatre or replaced the waste bucket for them.

Our Doctors are also to shared part of the blamed. Medicine has now became a thing of business no more Professionalism. Where have they kept their Morals and ethics.

Health care is one of the most Important things in a Man's life. As concerns S.Cameroonians donot expect any Magical assistance from Yaounde to better the lifes of Cameroonians. Cameroon problems are those of a failed Gov't policies.
1. The Question now is How do we all as Compatriots came in to rescue the situation
2. How do we engagaed with the Cameroon Doctors Association and strengthen them.
3. How can we help provide Hospital facilities.
4. How can our trained Diaspora Doctors with much expertise provide assistance to those inefficient ones caming from CUSS.
5. How do we lobby foreign assistance and NGO's to assist.

Mind you that only blaming Biya isn't the solution and will never be a solution. While we criticised, lets also put out our own plans for the future of Cameroon i.e Bold steps.
If we can't do anything to rescued Cameroon, many more people will die out of negligence.
We are peaceful and must advanced more than any other nation in Africa in "all things"

Lets not abandonned Our Ideals and what makes us as Cameroonians, We will became a Laughing stock in the World.

"Cameroonians are not Ordinary People" We are One out of Many "

Gentlemen, lets came together and shape our Future.

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