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Wednesday, 23 March 2011

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jipnb

African What? A bunch of stupide, thieving despots supporting one of their own. What has that useless union given Africa?. Rwanda, Sierra leone, Congo, Darfur, Guinea, Libya, and many more. The African union has failed to resolve any dispute on African soil. The west cannot stand idly by, while you use uneducated, and brutal miliatry to kill your people.

Princwill

African Union my foot! this is very sharmful to African Uion. For the past years it is unable to solve any problem.

All the leaders will not dear to talk about their colleage because they are all thesame. They are all Dectators, embazzeler, corrupters, etc.

I promise you all that you will all end up in a situation that you will always regrade your life.

See this:
AFRICAN LEADERS just to name a few. They want to be in power for life and this can only be done through dectatorship, corruption, embazzelment etc.

Abdulai Wade ( Senegal ) age 83
Hosni Mubarak ( Egypt ) age 82
Robert Mugabe ( Zimbabwe ) age 86
Hifikepunye Pohamba ( Namibia ) age 74
Rupiah Banda ( Zambia ) age 73
Mwai Kibaki ( Kenya ) age 71
Ellen Johnson Sirleaf ( Liberia ) age 75

Colonel Gaddafi ( Libya ) age 68
Jacob Zuma ( South Africa ) age 68
Bingu Wa Mtalika ( Malawi ) age 76
____________ __________________
Average Age: 75.6 ~ Approximately 76 years
____________ __________________

THE FIRST WORLD

Barrack Obama ( USA ) age 48
David Cameron ( UK ) age 43
Dimitri Medvedev ( Russia ) age 45
Stephen Harper ( Canada ) age 51
Julia Gillard ( Australia ) age 49
Nicolas Sarkozy ( France ) age 55
Luis Zapatero ( Spain ) age 49
Jose Socrates ( Portugal ) age 53
Angela Merkel ( Germany ) age 56
Herman Van Rompuy ( Belgium ) age 62

____________ __________________
Average Age: 51.1 ~ Approximately 51 years
____________ __________________

___________ __________________
DIFFERENCE: 25 years
____________

__________________

flashman

AU cannot discipline its members, and anybody can come in from anywhere and screw any African country, with nary a howl of protest. The continent is like a victim of repeated rapes, totally lost her personhood and abandoned self to the fates. More to the point, AU was so funded by Gaddafi that no one had the gumption to step up and caution him to play it differently.

flashman

these fockers have accumulated so much wealth that they could live in comfort somewhere for the rest of their lives. Lets name AFrican heads of state who voluntarily left power since independence. From South Africa:

de Klerk
Mandela
Mbeki
Kenneth Kaunda
Julius Nyerere
EML Endeley (Southern Cameroons must be counted)
Arap Moi (reluctantly, I add him)
Ahidjo (again with reluctance)
Obasanjo
Rawlings
Wade
Senghor
Seretse Khama?

Please name some more, if you can remember

jipnb

The fact and most annoying issue is; these leaders cannot even guarantee security for its citizens. Thieves run amorc, the powerful cheat and corrupt the sytem, injustice is everybody, yet they have the hutspa to speak against the campaign in Libya.

WHY ARE AFRICANS GENERALLY STUPID?

flashman

jipnb, WTF you mean by Africans are generally stupid?

jipnb

I know this will spark some crazies out there. But what do you make of the corruption, embezzlement, timidity of the population to be political active, and move themselves up? What do you make of Africans staying mum to leaders hanging unto power for 42 years and preading division within the tribes? What are Africans doing to stop all the wars plaquing the continent?

WHAT IF NOT STUPIDITY WILL ALLOW AFRICANS BETRAY THEIR CONTINENT BECAUSE THEY ARE INTERESTED IN POWER? ARE YOU BLIND TO PALACE COUPS ORCHESTRATED FROM OUTSIDE, BUT EXECUTED BY INNER CIRCLE BROTHERS BECAUSE OF MONEY AND INFLUENCE?

WHY ARE AFRICANS GENERALLY STUPID? THIS IS A RHETORICAL QUESTION BECAUSE I AM A SKEPTIC

flashman

Dude, I can understand your anger, but attributing it to "stupidity" does nothing to understand or address the cause and to find a solution. The people you are talking about are clearly not stupid, if you have met any of them. They have misapplied their intelligence to selfish and destructive ends. If the why is not understood, the solution will not emerge. I can tell that you care, and you are not stupid.

I have met many young people who sounded just like you, full of energy and righteousness. They return home, and within months, they capitulate and join the bandwagon. Would you be different, and why? I used to be such a young person as you, and in my case I did not capitulate, but ran away after 5 unbearable years.

It would help a lot to study African countries that are getting it right such as Botswana or are emerging from the doldrums such as Ghana.

jipnb

Flashman

The use of the word STUPID is borne out of great frustration not only with my country Cameroon, but the entire continent. We are making it worse by the day. I cite Botswana and Ghana as god examples, but i guess i will go my grave with this frustration. My only hope is, is that the new generation may stand up to the Ghadaffi,s and Biya,s and clean the system. I think, i do not have sufficient energy to put in this. Discussion about the problems will not cut it. We need some real force, regrettably, i do not have that fire in the belly like Arabs to claim the mantle and effect change.

But i agree Flashman, the word may not be stupid, but again i am frustrated.

flashman

OK. Analysis and diagnosis has to come first. You may be surprised at the amount of analysis and experience that was required to pull it off in Egypt. They studied their problem in depth and organized under the radar for years, then the right opportunity struck. They had many frustrating false starts, but they kept at it, not expecting instant results.

The Muslim Brotherhood started with an analysis in the 1940s-50s. One may not agree with their outlook, but they knew that something was wrong and stuck with it. Violent offshoots of the brotherhood rose up and fizzled. The generation of activists who pulled this off went back to the drawing board and used everything. They put aside their differences with the West and borrowed heavily from anyone who had ideas. Who knew that non-violence could be used successfully in the Arab world? It was an eye-opener. There are people in the Palestinian territories right now, I bet who are studying what has just happened, and they will force all parties to the table soon.

I have some ideas, and I am busy too, but we have to put these insights down and discuss?

Libya had the least amount of preparedness, and it blew up.

limbekid

Thank you Lloney Monono, for your well drafted despatch to the AU.

Some days before the bombardments began, I posted the following articles on this forum:

http://www.africanexecutive.com/modules/magazine/articles.php?article=5754&magazine=325

http://davidrothscum.blogspot.com/2011/02/world-cheers-as-cia-plunges-libya-into.html

It would appear the author was not far from the truth. Unfortunately, judging from the comments on your letter so far, it would appear the majority has been swayed by the consensus stance taken by the Western media.

Che Sunday

Guys,
The reaction(s) we exhibit here at times is very much akin to what we would do given the chance to govern. Acting on impulse.
Age is not an indicator of effective leadership. Don't forget that Africa, at one point had leaders whom were in their thirties and forties. That was the era of military coups. The likes of Ironsi, afrifa, Sankara, Doe, Jameh etc dotted the African landscape like a bad case of chicken pox. Were were we any better? You may hate Gadaffi for hanging around too long, but I bet you you will not find on the entire African continent, a president who developed his country better than what he has done for libya. Even 60 minutes, the very respected American investigative journalism program that airs every Sunday evening gave him praise for what he has done for his country.
I went to college in the 80s, the largest contingent of foreign students at my university at the time were Libyans (146). All were on government scholarships.
The people of Libya have the right to demand for change, and only the libyans themselves have that right. Every single piece of weapon being used in the carnage in Libya was sold to them by the same countries dropping bombs on Libya. Are they fighting to remove Ghadafi or to continue getting cheap oil?
Why have they not remove Laurent Ghabo from if humanitarian concerns are what they are trying to implement in Libya. When do they intend to go after Paul Biya in Cameroon? If Democracy is good for Libya, why is it not good for Saudi Arabia?
The African Union has a right to protest the invasion of any of its member states by a foreign power. The European Union has that statute in its constitution, so does the union of the Americas. But the big boys at the United Nations have the right to go where ever they chose. As an outsider, you may not like Ghadafi. If the libyans don't like him, let that be their prerogative. Let them figure out how to get rid of him.

Bob Bristol

Che Sunday, I love what you've just written. The inability of a people to topple their gov't inevitably means they are not worthy of the kind of gov't that they desire. In the long run, when Ghadafi has finally been "Saddamised", will the people of Libya join those of Egypt and Tunisia to celebrate? Egyptians and Tunisians did what they did without any foreign intervention, without heavy ammunition. Only God knows where their counterparts in Libya got their arms from.

Mathsman

This is exactly the attitude of a typical African folk; the belief in miracle. While respecting your dignity and integrity of this letter, what I mean to say in the opening sentence is that a typical African can identify a problem and a solution to it but will leave it for God to perform a mircaculous healing.

If you take a handful of African leaders who have elimated greed form their minds (or so it seems) the vast majority of them are tyrants no different from Ghadafi himself. Should I start by naming Paul Biya and his merciless gang who kill innocent students and civilians? Or the fact that a poor guy from a village in Yaounde has come to light through dictatorship and can afford to spend just over 30,000,000frs on hotel bills alone for one day in more than two weeks, dwarfing the meagre 24,000,000frs spent by the Obamas throughout their entire holiday and which was a family contribution rather than state funds despite that the economy of a good number of cities (not states) in the US is somewhat bigger than the entire economy of Cameroon. To see the shocking image of mrs Biya and to read the full story please follow this link: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/cameroon/6139839/Cameroon-president-defends-35000-a-day-French-holiday.html

With this intolerable and overwhelming level of greed, and hunger for power which has seem the tyrang manipulate the laws of the country ever since I was under five years old to cling on power, how do we expect him to condemn Ghadafi who in his eyes is a hero.

If you have not got the point I was try to make clear by now, then in a nutshell I simply mean that Most African leaders are just as evil and therefore see Ghadafi as an idol hence their reluctance to act.

But guys Beware, you can only get away with so much for so long. If you followed William Hague's speech on Tuesday March 22, 2011 on any UK news channel, then we would agree that the curtains are closing on this unacceptable behaviour from guys like Biya, Mugabe, Gbagbo and the like. Hague's (Britain's Foreign Secretary)speech was centred on Africa and he clearly pointed out that the international organisations are now watching the world from every angle and people who spread the blood of their fellow country men to remain in power will be brought to justice. Ghadafi is just one of many of such tyrants that are on the far end of the curtain which is closing. The action continues...

Bob Bristol

The day we would stop thinking that the "International Community", a subtle rephrasal of the word "Imperialist", have NO genuine aim, that will be the day we would take our collective destinies into our hands. The issue of whether Ghadafi is bad or good is left for the Libyans to decided. In the case of the former, let them do what neighbours have done. But the huge number of migrant workers who were in Libya tells me that the economy wasn't doing that bad.

Mbamba for Mbenge

Mathsman. the problem is that they focus on the despots that they do not like. While they went crushing Libya, the King of Bahrain with the help of Saudi Arabian troops was killing the people on the streets. We will never hear a word about that thieving cannibal who rules Equatorial Guinea, because he has oil and obeys but our ears are full of Mugabe. Hague should do what he wants to do, but we are not fooled by the hypocrisy and double standards.

Will they discipline Syria, one of the most oppressive countries in the Middle East, which is currently killing protesters? What about China? Biya has to be very happy about the chaos going around. Nobody is looking at him.

gaddafi failed to read the tea leaves. The times have changed.

china boy

cameroonians like talking about other countries and yet does nothing to effect change in their land.from libya to egypt to tunisia,is not suppose to be our problem.why dont we cameroonians stop and think for once about how we can solve our own problems?since we have decided to wait on God to create miracles for us .cameroonians they would never stop amazing me.

susuung

Prince will
I strongly agree with you, infact our presidents are really old "menopaused" men as compared to the west
However, you missed the point. the question is, legally speaking and in line with articl 2(2)of the UN's charter and the Vienna Conv possible that the soveregnty of this country be side stepped with such damning prejudice?
I think no.
Granted Gadaffi is a tyrant bombarding "peaceful" demonstrators, dont you think any "unilateral" action should have atleast involved the African Union?

dango tuman

the answer is the french with all the trillion dollars they have accumolated from their francs cfa scheme in Africa, have wired enough money to each head of the AU
BANKACCOUNT. as usual as their currupt thios african hencemen to say notging look the other way while france continue to live well on the blood of AFRICA.
FRANCE IS ONLY 60 M

Davis

I am a pan- africanist but no one with concience and the ability and means to stop an African tyran like Ghadafi will sit and watch him murdered unarmed civilians just because he wants to stay in power.

However, because of the weakness of the OAU, the egoistic countries such as France and its associates have taken the brutal act of Ghadaffi as a pretext to invade the country for their personal gains.

If African organisations wants to be respected, then they should first of all carry out their responsibility in a way that will respect the basic universal human rights and respond sincerely in a timely way to the problems facing the continent.

limbekid

These are truelly conflicting times, when one is forced to tacitly endorse dictatorship.

The reality is, while Euro-America has always practised exceptionalism the rest of the (developing) world has been conned to believe in absolutism. We are made to believe governance is either black or white (no grey areas) and that leaders are good or bad.

They maintain their monarchies and principalities (30% of the British are Republicans, but will not be allowed to storm Buckingham Palace) for the sake of tradition, while for the rest of the world longevity equates to dictatorship; they euphemisize corruption (British sale of fighter jets to Saudi Arabia) for the sake of preserving strategic industry; they illegally bail their banks, subsidise industry and still spend massively on social services, despite huge budget deficits (while we are saddled with Structural Adjustment Programs); individual freedoms are curtailed for the sake of security and the maintenance of law and order. For the rest of the world such exchanges are frowned upon.

It is time to call Gadhaffi to order, but the Libyans should also acknowledge that their personal freedoms have not been relinquished in vain - they have the highest HDI in Africa and rank amongst the top GDP per capita on the continent. They probably would not have achieved the same results in the pre-Gadhaffi monarchy.

va boy

Something tells me that the real freedom that will come to Libya will be the freedom for western capitalists and local oligarchs to rampage the country. In a few yrs they will look back at their golden years! Even the us has lately began to taste the power of the oligarchs stealing elections and buying politicians. Ugly

Mathsman


Mbamba for Mbenge: I would like to agree with you on the fact that the West will only intervene in conflicts where they know they will benefit from oil or minerals. Zimbabwe is a typical example to prove the intentions of the West. Mugabe has been slaughtering his people mercilessly for God knows how long but because his country is now barren (or so it seems) he has gotten away with it. Furthermore, they might not focus on Syria and other nations where they think there's nothing to gain.

However, I will also like to mention that the role they play in mediating crisis in countries where the leaders have no mercy for anyone other than themselves can not be overlooked. This is because such interventions in many cases lead to a situation where a good majority can benefit from the resources of their own country rather than just an unscrupulous few.

The reality of the matter is that Britain, France and the United States who are at the forefront of such crisis put a lot of effort and resources (both human and financial) in a bid to resolve these conflicts. Therefore, if you ask me, I'll say fair's fair.

One thing I will like to say on this forum is that I appreciate and congratulate everyone exchanging their views here and through other means. This is only one way to show how much we truly love and care for our country.


A P Geofrey

The truth is that the AU has it's limitations just like any other International body. Have you all so quickly forget the fact that even though the UN was against the occupation of Irak by the Bush administration he still went ahead unilaterally to attack Irak? What did the UN say? Nothing, why because just like the UN, the AU too is being funded by Gadaffi. When we are blaming them for failing, we should also be taking in account the fact that they did not fail because they somehow outrightly want to fail, but they did because well some times people, organizations etc just fail it's in the human nature o fail, isn't it?

Mathsman

...of course making mistakes is only a human characteristic. however, when all that characterizes someone or something is a mistake then is probably one mistake too many. If only the AU could boast of one big issue that it has resolved maturely then perhaps I might consider the Gaddafi failure a mistake...

 Eric Denzel

If African Leaders don't want to be humiliated then they should do the right thing. They shouldn't rig elections, they should embezzle money and the should want to remain in power, that's not their father's property. As long as they don't want to behave as civilized people the France and America and Britain can do whatever to take them out. I don't care because they don't care about me either.

Canda stick

Eric you are an ignorant one. They do not take out people because they are dictators, but because they refused to service them. If you are waiting for France to remov Biya for you it will be a long wait because they do not care

limbekid

Interesting article by Thabo Mbeki, on the Libyan imbroglio:

http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=10150169823973279&comments

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